Those Worried About PS4 Launch Lineup: Look back at the PS2

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#1 Edited by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

Let's go back in time and take a look at the PS2's launch lineup.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/10/28/the-ps2-launch-titles

PS2:

  • Armored Core 2
  • DOA2: Hardcore
  • Dynasty Warriors 2
  • ESPN International Track and Field
  • ESPN X-Games Snowboarding
  • Eternal Ring
  • Evergrace
  • FantaVision
  • Gun Griffon Blaze
  • Kessen
  • Madden NFL 2001
  • Midnight Club
  • Moto GP
  • NHL 2001
  • Orphen
  • Q-Ball Billiards Master
  • Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
  • Ridge Racer V
  • Silent Scope
  • Smuggler's Run
  • SSX
  • Street Fighter EX3
  • Summoner
  • Swing Away
  • Tekken Tag Tournament
  • TimeSplitters
  • Unreal Tournament
  • Wild Wild Racing
  • X-Squad

PS4:

  • Angry Birds Star Wars
  • AC4 Black Flag Gold Edition
  • AC4 Black Flag
  • Battlefield 4
  • Black Light Retribution
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts:
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts Digital Hardened Edition
  • Contrast
  • DC Universe Online
  • DC Universe Online Ultimate Edition
  • FIFA 14
  • Flower
  • Injustice: Gods Among Us
  • Just Dance
  • Killzone Shadow Fall
  • Knack
  • LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  • Madden NFL 25
  • NBA 2K14
  • NFS Rivals
  • Resogun
  • Sound Shapes
  • Super Motherlode
  • Trine 2: Complete Story
  • Warframe

As you can see, even the greatest consoles didn't have an amazing launch lineup. The PS4's launch list is actually stronger than this, thanks to all the PC ports and indie titles.

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#2 Posted by Animal-Mother (27350 posts) -

It's just people firing pot shots at one another. The next two weeks are gonna be rough on these boards with all the crazieness.

But at the end of the day people like you and I get to play great games.

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#3 Edited by danabo (2438 posts) -

Such an awesome launch. Timesplitters was great. SSX, too. And I have a secret fetish for Armored Core. I miss those kinds of launches. Oh, and Smugglers Run...

Sigh.

EDIT: I had Ready 2 Rumble on DC, that was awesome too.

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#5 Posted by freedomfreak (49805 posts) -

I'm sorry. Ps4 doesn't come close to that. Dynasty Warriors 8 released earlier this year, and was not a launch title. It would've stood a chance if that were to be the case.

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#6 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

I don't know. It seems like people are expecting blockbuster AAA titles at launch. I guess this is a result of how long last gen was. People are eager to get next-gen started.

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#7 Posted by Heil68 (57720 posts) -

I'm not worried one bit. I expected this from the launch and even stated it during our E3 podcats in June. The PS4 AND Xbone will be just fine.

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#8 Edited by treedoor (7648 posts) -

The PS2 launch looks better to be honest.

But regardless, how does the PS2 going on to be a success after launch translate to the PS4 going on to be a success after launch?

We don't know what will happen in the next 5-10 years, but we do know that people aren't buying the PS4 as a "cheap dvd player", or for the exclusive titles like GTA, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid, and the like, so it's idiotic to compare it to the PS2.

We can only look at what happens right now.

Thread just looks like damage control to me.

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#9 Posted by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

No need to lower you heads fellow cows. PS4 will decimate. Coming exclusives will be great, it's written in the prophecy. PS4 is the one to lead this industry to salvation.

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#10 Edited by Clock-w0rk (3378 posts) -

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge Raceeeeer!

PS2 wins by default

Seriously though there's actually some really good games on there.

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#11 Edited by wolverine4262 (20831 posts) -

okay, still doesnt mean there is any reason to pick up the console at launch... and yeah, that ps2 lineup looks a lot better.

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#12 Posted by Derpnl (25 posts) -

Poor Lems, they still think they have a fighting chance

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#13 Edited by heretrix (37792 posts) -

Maybe people should spend less time hyping shit to the stars and have slightly more realistic expectations about their games.

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#14 Posted by Shewgenja (18997 posts) -

Launch titles are really nothing to get really twisted over. 80% of the games were created on unfinished devkits and the games were planned with a target of a 4GB system. That being said, a lot of the indie titles seem to be scoring well. So, the PS4 launch should go pretty well.

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#15 Posted by Floppy_Jim (25834 posts) -

PS2 & PS4 launches were/are fine. PS1 & PS3 launches were lamentable dreck. Even numbers are great.

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#16 Edited by heretrix (37792 posts) -

The PS2 was the shit. I can't remember a console that I was so satisfied with. I still use mine to play Persona 4 and Front Mission.

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#17 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

@PinkiePirate said:

I don't know. It seems like people are expecting blockbuster AAA titles at launch. I guess this is a result of how long last gen was. People are eager to get next-gen started.

people expect Triple A games all the time. Although I was totally convinced that Killzone SF would score at least 80+ on Metacritic. I mean, this looks sick!

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#18 Posted by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

Added the PS4 list to the OP for comparison.

PS4:

  • Angry Birds Star Wars
  • AC4 Black Flag Gold Edition
  • AC4 Black Flag
  • Battlefield 4
  • Black Light Retribution
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts:
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts Digital Hardened Edition
  • Contrast
  • DC Universe Online
  • DC Universe Online Ultimate Edition
  • FIFA 14
  • Flower
  • Injustice: Gods Among Us
  • Just Dance
  • Killzone Shadow Fall
  • Knack
  • LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  • Madden NFL 25
  • NBA 2K14
  • NFS Rivals
  • Resogun
  • Sound Shapes
  • Super Motherlode
  • Trine 2: Complete Story
  • Warframe
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#19 Posted by kuu2 (10250 posts) -

To bad the competition was broke going up against Sony. MSoft on the other had has tons of money, plus they might have the game of the generation in Titanfal launching in March.

Sony is in serious trouble.

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#20 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28915 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

Launch titles are really nothing to get really twisted over. 80% of the games were created on unfinished devkits and the games were planned with a target of a 4GB system. That being said, a lot of the indie titles seem to be scoring well. So, the PS4 launch should go pretty well.

except in the case of the xbox dOne where you say that all games were in development for 6 years on finished hardware and will still suck.

lol seems like a lot of damage control here bububub launch lineups don't matter, it was unfinished hardware.

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#21 Edited by X_CAPCOM_X (7592 posts) -

Tekken Tag Tournament was the reason I got a PS2 at launch, and it is an excellent game.

The PS4 launch is alright as well; I'm not sure why people could possibly be concerned...

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#22 Posted by Jakandsigz (6341 posts) -

@PinkiePirate said:

Let's go back in time and take a look at the PS2's launch lineup.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/10/28/the-ps2-launch-titles

PS2:

  • Armored Core 2
  • DOA2: Hardcore
  • Dynasty Warriors 2
  • ESPN International Track and Field
  • ESPN X-Games Snowboarding
  • Eternal Ring
  • Evergrace
  • FantaVision
  • Gun Griffon Blaze
  • Kessen
  • Madden NFL 2001
  • Midnight Club
  • Moto GP
  • NHL 2001
  • Orphen
  • Q-Ball Billiards Master
  • Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
  • Ridge Racer V
  • Silent Scope
  • Smuggler's Run
  • SSX
  • Street Fighter EX3
  • Summoner
  • Swing Away
  • Tekken Tag Tournament
  • TimeSplitters
  • Unreal Tournament
  • Wild Wild Racing
  • X-Squad

PS4:

  • Angry Birds Star Wars
  • AC4 Black Flag Gold Edition
  • AC4 Black Flag
  • Battlefield 4
  • Black Light Retribution
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts:
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts Digital Hardened Edition
  • Contrast
  • DC Universe Online
  • DC Universe Online Ultimate Edition
  • FIFA 14
  • Flower
  • Injustice: Gods Among Us
  • Just Dance
  • Killzone Shadow Fall
  • Knack
  • LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  • Madden NFL 25
  • NBA 2K14
  • NFS Rivals
  • Resogun
  • Sound Shapes
  • Super Motherlode
  • Trine 2: Complete Story
  • Warframe

As you can see, even the greatest consoles didn't have an amazing launch lineup. The PS4's launch list is actually stronger than this, thanks to all the PC ports and indie titles.

The PS2 has multiple AAE's and AA's along with one or 2 AAAE's at launch, with tons of advertising and came out swinging. You compare that to Angry Birds Starwars and indie titles.\?

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#23 Posted by PrincessGomez92 (5007 posts) -

That PS2 launch looks so much better. Would've been happy getting one day one.

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#24 Edited by timbers_WSU (6076 posts) -

Man the damage control has been unreal this morning.

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#25 Edited by slystallion26 (819 posts) -

ps2 launch had much more variety and was better...SSX was fantastic...Dreamcast had better games out though at the same time period

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#27 Posted by PonchoTaco (3182 posts) -

We should also look at the PSVita launch.

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#28 Posted by charizard1605 (82622 posts) -

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

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#29 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (24600 posts) -

Nope. I expect every great AAA game on the PS4 for the next ten years to come out on launch day.

Nothing else will suffice.

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#30 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (24600 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

Right now, more than anything. I want a Wii U Wind Waker HD edition and Super Mario 3D World. Buying a system at launch IS ALWAYS THE WRONG THING. People never learn.

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#31 Edited by charizard1605 (82622 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@charizard1605 said:

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

Right now, more than anything. I want a Wii U Wind Waker HD edition and Super Mario 3D World. Buying a system at launch IS ALWAYS THE WRONG THING. People never learn.

I'll get a Wii U eventually, but it needs more, more games before I spend the money on it.

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#32 Edited by Bread_or_Decide (24600 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@charizard1605 said:

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

Right now, more than anything. I want a Wii U Wind Waker HD edition and Super Mario 3D World. Buying a system at launch IS ALWAYS THE WRONG THING. People never learn.

I'll get a Wii U eventually, but it needs more, more games before I spend the money on it.

Usually takes one great game to get me to buy a new system. I got my Wii with SMG, 360 with Gears, PS3 with Resistance. (I'll argue to the death that Resistance was da bombs.) 3DSXL with Mario Kart 7. PSP with Wipeout. Etc etc etc. (Great games are of course, IMHO.)

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#33 Posted by charizard1605 (82622 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@charizard1605 said:

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@charizard1605 said:

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

Right now, more than anything. I want a Wii U Wind Waker HD edition and Super Mario 3D World. Buying a system at launch IS ALWAYS THE WRONG THING. People never learn.

I'll get a Wii U eventually, but it needs more, more games before I spend the money on it.

Usually takes one great game to get me to buy a new system. I got my Wii with SMG, 360 with Gears, PS3 with Resistance. (I'll argue to the death that Resistance was da bombs.) 3DSXL with Mario Kart 7. PSP with Wipeout. Etc etc etc. (Great games are of course, IMHO.)

Yeah, buying a system at launch is a bad idea. PS3/Xbox 360/Wii/3DS/PSV/Wii U launches are all indicative of that.

As for Wii U, once it has Mario Kart, I'll have to go out and get one anyway, so it's only a matter of time.

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#34 Posted by lundy86_4 (48577 posts) -

This is SW. You're gonna get people having some lulz.

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#35 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (24600 posts) -

@PonchoTaco said:

We should also look at the PSVita launch.

Vita had a great launch. The problem is they blew their load too early.

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#36 Edited by PSP107 (16679 posts) -

@TheGuardian03 said:

Judging a consle for it's launch games is always stupid, look at the wii u a year ago and look at it now, so many good games have come out this year for it.

Not when money is involved.

Anyway, PS2 launch games was way better. for us sports fans, Madden 2001 for PS2 defined next gen. The game was 100% diffrent from the PS1/N64 version. NHL 2001 was fun aswell. SSX was solid. PS4 is full of ports.

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#37 Edited by delta3074 (19933 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

It's just people firing pot shots at one another. The next two weeks are gonna be rough on these boards with all the crazieness.

But at the end of the day people like you and I get to play great games.

Rough seas ahead captain.....

Good post man.

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#38 Edited by SinjinSmythe (1043 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

Launch titles are really nothing to get really twisted over. 80% of the games were created on unfinished devkits and the games were planned with a target of a 4GB system. That being said, a lot of the indie titles seem to be scoring well. So, the PS4 launch should go pretty well.

says the cows that spew 720p over and over again. You think MS's generation is defined by launch titles?

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#39 Posted by SinjinSmythe (1043 posts) -

Pinkie you are overflowing with Damage Control right now. The PS4 line up is horrid. Don't try to derail lems from enjoying this glorious day.

It's like saying worried about the Titanic? Look it made it 1000 miles before it sank.

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#40 Posted by PonchoTaco (3182 posts) -

@Bread_or_Decide said:

@PonchoTaco said:

We should also look at the PSVita launch.

Vita had a great launch. The problem is they blew their load too early.

Lol

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#41 Posted by Snugenz (13388 posts) -

@PinkiePirate said:

Let's go back in time and take a look at the PS2's launch lineup.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2000/10/28/the-ps2-launch-titles

PS2:

  • Armored Core 2
  • DOA2: Hardcore
  • Dynasty Warriors 2
  • ESPN International Track and Field
  • ESPN X-Games Snowboarding
  • Eternal Ring
  • Evergrace
  • FantaVision
  • Gun Griffon Blaze
  • Kessen
  • Madden NFL 2001
  • Midnight Club
  • Moto GP
  • NHL 2001
  • Orphen
  • Q-Ball Billiards Master
  • Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2
  • Ridge Racer V
  • Silent Scope
  • Smuggler's Run
  • SSX
  • Street Fighter EX3
  • Summoner
  • Swing Away
  • Tekken Tag Tournament
  • TimeSplitters
  • Unreal Tournament
  • Wild Wild Racing
  • X-Squad

PS4:

  • Angry Birds Star Wars
  • AC4 Black Flag Gold Edition
  • AC4 Black Flag
  • Battlefield 4
  • Black Light Retribution
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts:
  • Call of Duty: Ghosts Digital Hardened Edition
  • Contrast
  • DC Universe Online
  • DC Universe Online Ultimate Edition
  • FIFA 14
  • Flower
  • Injustice: Gods Among Us
  • Just Dance
  • Killzone Shadow Fall
  • Knack
  • LEGO Marvel Super Heroes
  • Madden NFL 25
  • NBA 2K14
  • NFS Rivals
  • Resogun
  • Sound Shapes
  • Super Motherlode
  • Trine 2: Complete Story
  • Warframe

As you can see, even the greatest consoles didn't have an amazing launch lineup. The PS4's launch list is actually stronger than this, thanks to all the PC ports and indie titles.

You're counting those games twice why?.

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#42 Posted by Newhopes (4756 posts) -

LOL PS2 line up was great PS4 sucks.

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#43 Posted by lamprey263 (34425 posts) -

looks like the PS2 had a pretty good launch line-up (for its time)

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#44 Edited by deactivated-58c8ef5f8044e (546 posts) -

TimeSplitters destroys everything on the PS4 side.

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#45 Posted by remiks00 (3790 posts) -

LOL at these comments. The PS4 will be fine in the long run. You're a complete and utter idiot if you think otherwise just for the sake of being a douche.

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#46 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

While the PS2 launch was slightly better, the only first party title was Fantavision. None of those great first party games came around until later. Many of those other games would have easily been multiplats, had there been a worthy competing console at the time. While the Dreamcast was great for its time, Sega didnt really have much third party support.

Another thing to think about is game development was much cheaper during the PS2 days. You can't expect companies to dump $20+ million on launch exclusives when there is not yet an install base that will result in a worthwhile return.

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#47 Posted by jsolidus (171 posts) -

Any real gamer knows not to judge a system by its launch, this thread really is unnecessary .The lems who are jumping the gun and calling the ps4 a flop just want to feel on top. with the hate that coming out for x1..I wouldn't be gloating about a few bumps for the ps4. Honesty lems are making themselves look foolish with the amount of unnecessary hate..Crying about the ps4 being wobbly and a few systems needing to be rebooted is quite pathetic.

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#48 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44839 posts) -

All aboard the waiting game.

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#49 Edited by PinkiePirate (1973 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

'The launch lineup sucked, so the console will be the greatest console ever!'

That's what you just said.

At least cows are admitting the PS4 launch was a bomb though.

Not at all. What I said was that the launch lineup is a poor indication of a particular platform's success.

The PS1's launch was even worse.

  • Battle Arena Toshinden
  • ESPN Extreme Games
  • Kileak: The DNA Imperative
  • NBA Jam Tournament Edition
  • Power Serve 3D Tennis
  • Raiden Project
  • Rayman
  • Ridge Racer
  • Street Fighter: The Movie
  • Total Eclipse Turbo

And the Nintendo 64 launched with just two games.

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#50 Edited by SUD123456 (4898 posts) -

Don't worry Blackberry, your BB10 launch was only slightly worse than BB3.