The reason MS exclusives don't sell well

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There's a reason MS exclusives went from selling well during the 360 days to barely being able to do 5 million in gen 8. Fortnite, COD, and Battlefield. Looking at MS show, they seem to focus most of their budget to shooters and there's no getting around these three franchises. It's the reason Sony focuses on high budget single player games, they fill a void most multiplats can't. MS is stuck between a rock and a hard place which is why they have to give games away to compete. As long as these franchises are on top, forget about Redfall or Halo moving the needle.

https://venturebeat.com/2021/01/15/npd-reveals-the-best-selling-games-of-2020-in-the-u-s/

https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/22/npd-2018-the-20-best-selling-games-of-the-year/

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#2 Juub1990
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Starfield

Avowed

Fable

Outerworlds 2

Hellblade 2

FH5

FS2020

They’ll be just fine.

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#3 sts106mat
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Another reassurance thread...oh dear

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Now, don't call me crazy, but GP might've been created to hide poor MS sales? It makes perfect sense when you think of it.

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#5 WonderWinner
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Agreed. The lack of variety in MS first party is baffling.

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@Juub1990: when were those games predecessors relevant though outside of Forza? Starfield is getting hype just because it's exclusive... No once cared about Hellblade 1....

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@sts106mat: oh dear indeed

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#8  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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History repeats itself. MS has tried to get into many markets when it was already too late, leveraging what they already have to try to break in, only to squander their success while others surpass them. Not just in gaming but in other markets as well.

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@Sagemode87 said:

@Juub1990: when were those games predecessors relevant though outside of Forza? Starfield is getting hype just because it's exclusive... No once cared about Hellblade 1....

Who gives a shit?

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@Sagemode87: you are lying to yourself again cow.

starfield is getting hype because its a new ip from bethesda and will be like skyrim in space...therefore it has huge appeal.

The fact that its exclusive hurts you. If it was a ps5 exlusive we all know you would be hyping it...

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I love how the OP lists having a load of FPS is a concern, while ignoring the SP games that were shown. Seems as if Sony have a bigger variety problem with the plethora of third person action adventures (Last of us, God of War, Uncharted, Bloodborne, Demon Souls, Spider-Man, Days Gone, HZD etc) none of which have any MP gameplay to speak of.

E3 shook Cows to their bovine bones, and the number of insecurity threads they are coming out with speaks volumes.

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Thank God we have Sagemode around to enlighten us all...

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#13 Pedro
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How many reassurance threads do Sony fannies need? I thought you all have games to play and only game less folks are on the forums. 😉

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@wonderwinner said:

Agreed. The lack of variety in MS first party is baffling.

Racers, FPS games, Platformers, Indies, RPGs, 3rd person Action adventures, MP games, SP games, MMMO games, Horror games. All MS first party games, all announced at E3 or launch window games.

It’s your comment that’s baffling me.

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#15 Pedro
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@sealionact: Launch window games...come on man.

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@Sagemode87 said:

There's a reason MS exclusives went from selling well during the 360 days to barely being able to do 5 million in gen 8. Fortnite, COD, and Battlefield. Looking at MS show, they seem to focus most of their budget to shooters and there's no getting around these three franchises. It's the reason Sony focuses on high budget single player games, they fill a void most multiplats can't. MS is stuck between a rock and a hard place which is why they have to give games away to compete. As long as these franchises are on top, forget about Redfall or Halo moving the needle.

https://venturebeat.com/2021/01/15/npd-reveals-the-best-selling-games-of-2020-in-the-u-s/

https://venturebeat.com/2019/01/22/npd-2018-the-20-best-selling-games-of-the-year/

sony spends money on high budget uncharted reskins wooooo

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They don't sell well because they are generally bad games.

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@Pedro said:

@sealionact: Launch window games...come on man.

Fine, take away the launch window games….the list doesn’t actually change. A cow complaining about a lack of variety on Xbox is a wee bit laughable, given the amount of 3rd person games on that console.

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#19 Pedro
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@sealionact said:

Fine, take away the launch window games….the list doesn’t actually change. A cow complaining about a lack of variety on Xbox is a wee bit laughable, given the amount of 3rd person games on that console.

I only had issue with the launch window claim. 😎

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Come on MSFT, bring back Fusion Frenzy!

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@Pedro said:
@sealionact said:

Fine, take away the launch window games….the list doesn’t actually change. A cow complaining about a lack of variety on Xbox is a wee bit laughable, given the amount of 3rd person games on that console.

I only had issue with the launch window claim. 😎

Well, ol’ wonderwinner has an issue with MS game variety, and that includes any games in the launch window. Can’t think of a horror game shown yesterday, so The Medium fits the bill.😏

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#22  Edited By Pedro
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@sealionact said:

Well, ol’ wonderwinner has an issue with MS game variety, and that includes any games in the launch window. Can’t think of a horror game shown yesterday, so The Medium fits the bill.😏

Variety is not an issue with Xbox at the moment. Games are also not an issue with Xbox. Exclusives? Yep! Do I want them to make games exclusive to the Xbox? Nope! Once they maintain the bare minimum of Xbox and PC, they will be in a great place for gamers in general.

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😂😂😂

Another hillarious damage control thread, can’t make this stuff up!

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#24  Edited By WonderWinner
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@sealionact: first party. Third party multiplatform games are not first party.

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@Juub1990 said:

Starfield

Avowed

Fable

Outerworlds 2

Hellblade 2

FH5

FS2020

They’ll be just fine.

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@wonderwinner said:

@sealionact: first party. Third party multiplatform games are not first party.

Note, Xbox games are multiplatform. As far as first party, there is variety

FPS: Halo, Perfect Dark

RPG: Fable, Avowed, Outer Worlds 2

Racing: Forza Horizon 5

RTS: Age of Empires

Tactics: Gears Tactics

Side Scrollers: Ori

Unknown genre to me : Everwild, Starfield

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So according to cows selling 1M was great for any PS game but barely reaching 5M for MS is considered bad now?

C-L-O-W-N-S O-F S-Y-S-T-E-M W-A-R-S

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@wonderwinner said:

@sealionact: first party. Third party multiplatform games are not first party.

Did I say they were?

Racers: FH5, Forza
FPS Halo, PDZ, Doom
3PS Gears
Platformers Ori
RPGS Outer Worlds, Fallout, Starfield
3rd P A.A Hellblade 2, The Gunk
MP games Minecraft, Sea of Thieves, Halo, Gears, FH5 etc
SP games, Avowed, Fable, Outer Worlds 2 etc
MMMO games Sea of Thieves
RTS games Age of Empires, Halo Wars,
Horror games The Medium

You not knowing what you’re talking about is baffling.


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So much bovine insecurity... LMAO!

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@Juub1990 said:

Starfield

Avowed

Fable

Outerworlds 2

Hellblade 2

FH5

FS2020

They’ll be just fine.

/Thread.

Microsoft has more first party variety than Sony. Sony only focuses on one genre of videogame........3rd Person Action Sad-Ventures with stealth elements.

Theres only so many times you can crouch-walk through "stealth grass", do distraction rock throwing, hoist NPCs up ladders, etc...... Cows only want to play these faux Metal Gear/Far Cry/Ubisoft games.

Sony will never make a game like Prey or Dishonored. Or Avowed.

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#32 omegaMaster
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Correct. Xbox lack variety and console exclusives.

More reasons why JRPGs are lacking exclusivity on Xbox. No wonder Japan doesn't give a toss about Xbox.

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#33  Edited By blamix
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How can they sell well if they are bad?

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#34  Edited By Sagemode87
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@sealionact: you guys are so delusional. MS gives you a few crumbs and you think you're on top of something. Sony has been full force since 2014. Congrats on getting a game or two? Come back when MS keeps the energy for 5 years or more, minus all the CGI. All those 3rd person games you listed are different. Demon Souls and Spiderman are completely different from GOW and TLOU. They don't have to have multiplayer, that's the point of this thread. Business wise, their bases are covered with multiplats. The game types they focus on fills a void multiplats can't. Why would Sony focus on multiplayer when Fortnite, COD, and Battlefield rule the market?

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#35 Starshine_M2A2
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@wonderwinner: Are you stoned? PS released nothing but movie games last gen and with the exception of Ratchet and Clank, look to do the same this year. Get your head out of your ass and put down the peace pipe.

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#36  Edited By GoldenElementXL  Online
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You all are missing the most shocking thing from that 2020 software sales list. Animal Crossing on a single platform outsold Madden on 5... WITHOUT Animal Crossings digital sales being included. It outsold Assassins Creed on all its platforms. That’s just nuts.

And COD was number 1 and number 2. COD is dead, and vote with your wallets and all that.

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#37  Edited By sakaiXx
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@goldenelementxl: nobody is missing anything. Its the result of no competing substitute products and lack of 3rd party big releases on switch unlike on all the other platforms.

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#38 Starshine_M2A2
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@sakaixx: Oh, I don’t know. I suspect you’re missing a great deal. Mostly in the head area…

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@Starshine_M2A2: ah, another cases of sheep unable to see facts. Dont worry your friends all suffers the same medical condition.

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@sakaixx: Not really, I just don’t think you’re particularly intelligent…

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@sakaixx said:

@goldenelementxl: nobody is missing anything. Its the result of no substitute products and lack of 3rd party big releases on switch unlike on all the other platforms.

8 of the top 20 games appeared on the Switch. 11 on Xbox. Half the Switch games were exclusive while none of the Xbox exclusives made the list.

I think this says more about 1st party appeal of each platform more than anything. The Switch has a varied library. They’re obviously picking the right 3rd party games to support. And Xbox either doesn’t sell any exclusives, OR... Game Pass is eating into their sales. Some folks won’t even entertain that idea. Some indie dev told them otherwise...

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@Sagemode87: Halo 5 sold over 5 million copies in 3 months, Forza Horizon 3 sold 4 million, Gears 5 outsold Gears 4 (4 million).

So, clearly you are mistaken.

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@goldenelementxl said:
@sakaixx said:

@goldenelementxl: nobody is missing anything. Its the result of no substitute products and lack of 3rd party big releases on switch unlike on all the other platforms.

8 of the top 20 games appeared on the Switch. 11 on Xbox. Half the Switch games were exclusive while none of the Xbox exclusives made the list.

I think this says more about 1st party appeal of each platform more than anything. The Switch has a varied library. They’re obviously picking the right 3rd party games to support. And Xbox either doesn’t sell any exclusives, OR... Game Pass is eating into their sales. Some folks won’t even entertain that idea. Some indie dev told them otherwise...

And some of them Switch games is from years back while mostly new on other platforms. I also think switch has big appeal with its 1st party but also shows in end year there is a big lack of 3rd party content for it and when there is like Fifa or NBA, its just PS3 legacy assets updated and is skewed due to how high it sells on other platforms but almost never appear on individual switch breakdowns.

While sales of 1st party content is high on switch. It also shows there is no substitute products to compete with switch 1st party offerings. This give users no choice but to pick nintendo products as substutites dont/barely exist on the platform thus increasing sales of evergreen titles.

I do agree on xbox though, abysmal. Their biggest 1st party console title last few years was Gears 5, sea of thieves and crackdown 3 complemented by smaller titles like Ori and grounded.

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@dabear said:

@Sagemode87: Halo 5 sold over 5 million copies in 3 months, Forza Horizon 3 sold 4 million, Gears 5 outsold Gears 4 (4 million).

So, clearly you are mistaken.

Those are impressive sales figures of a consoles flagship titles? Imagine having all your heavy hitters get outsold by Luigi's Mansion 3...

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#45  Edited By sakaiXx
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@Starshine_M2A2: ah I'm sorry, your sheep delusions is a bit strong it seems. Unfortunate there is no cure for that ~

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@sakaixx: Don’t insult sheep - they’re smarter than you are…

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@goldenelementxl: For a console that sold like crap? Yes.

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#48  Edited By SargentD
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@Sagemode87: the only reason Fortnite, COD, and Battlefield do so well is because they are available on all consoles and MS doesn't have to beat a multiplats sales.

None of Sony's exclusives will ever beat COD numbers either. Its a redundant conversation.

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Can somebody tell me what the **** is wrong with Starshine_M2A2? Did he escape a mental institute, and the first thing he does is post on SW? WHO DOES THAT!?

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#50  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@hardwenzen: Just checked his last few posts. XD Guy's on a rampage.

Yeah, he's got his drugs all mixed up I think... Who gets "stoned" on stimulants?