The PC is the superior gaming platform - Definitive Edition

Only that's not what you said and you used the word "match."

The Xbox360 could render games at at a < resolution with fewer effects due to GPU/RAM restrictions, but again I know that you know this.

Done.

I'll let the rest gnaw on your troll bones.

• I can use any controller or multiple controllers at once, including mouse & keyboard, Xbox One controllers, DualShock 4's, or all of them at once. There is a lot more choice with PC, I'm not locked in to the few overpriced peripherals that the platform holders choose for me.
• Many games, even PC exclusives, are designed with native Xbox controller support. You can still play games from your couch displayed on your big TV in the living room if you want to - the PC is no longer relegated to the office like it was 10 years ago.

Ok. Second point pretty much means that PC's are on par with consoles, it's not an advantage for PC.

• The PC is capable of displaying higher fidelity visuals and effects at much higher resolutions and framerates than any console. PC games always look better and run better than their console counterparts. PC games can be played at 1440p and up to 144hz while even current generation console games still struggle with 1080p and 30hz, sometimes 60hz (but not usually). Even "remastered" games like The Last of Us still struggle to maintain 1080p/60 on the PS4, sometimes dipping down in the mid-40 fps range.

True

• Online multiplayer on PC is always free and not locked behind a paywall like it is with PSN and Xbox Live.

True, but you fail to mention the paywall does bring some benefits, it's not exclusively a bad thing.

• The PC has far more exclusive titles released than any other console, in any generation, in addition to many of the same multiplatform titles that are released for the consoles as well. Only when they are on PC, they look & run better.

Allright, it does have more games, but the quality of games is subjective opinion, more games does not have to mean better games. You already mentioned games run better on PC, no need to repeat yourself 3 times.

• The PC can be used for far more than just entertainment - it's a device that I can use for content production, school work, editing photos, curating my music collection, and more.

Irrelevant, everyone has a PC/laptop these days.

• The PC is a constantly evolving platform that is always growing in power, whereas the consoles are locked in without innovation or advancement for sometimes up to 9 years in the case of the 360 & PS3. My current PC is already much more powerful and capable than even the PS4 or Xbox One, and over time that gap is only going to widen further and further.

You already mentioned this in 2 previous points.

• PC games are less expensive. Not only are even multiplatform games almost always less expensive when released on PC, but PC games go on sale through outlets such as Steam, GOG, GreenManGaming and others far more often and for much steeper discounts than console games ever do. Developers love Steam sale events like the Summer & Winter sales, sometimes making more profits in a single week than they did during the entire year leading up to that.

BS, consoles have used games, trade-ins, store sales, I've seen a lot of good PSN sales etc. PC might have a slight edge, but not a huge one as you say. New games are 10$ cheaper, ok.

• PC's are designed to use and take advantage of multiple monitors, allowing experiences that are simply not available on console. If you haven't gamed on 3+ monitors at once, you're seriously missing out and I recommend giving it a try, you'll never go back.

Ok, I guess... don't see how this is relevant to most people.

• The PC is the king of backwards compatibility. I can play any game I wish released at virtually any point in the PC's history with little to no problem, most of them installing directly from Steam in minutes. The current consoles offer no backwards compatibility whatsoever - Sony, MS, and Nintendo are more than happy to sell you the same games over and over again, though. This does not happen on PC.

Agreed, a huge plus for PC, I don't think anyone has the time and money to play each game in every generation that they would want and with PC you can revisit them years later with not much hassle. With consoles you'd have to keep your old one and you might have trouble finding old games for sale.

• The PC has by far the largest and most diverse game library out of any platform, current or past.

You already mentioned that it has most exclusives etc. stop repeating yourself.

• Developers build mod support into their games so the thriving PC mod community can get much more life out of games. This does not exist on consoles. See current games like Divinity: Original Sin and ArmA 3 for examples on how devs encourage modding and make it easy through the Steam Workshop.

Allright.

• PC is the most friendly platform for developers. Anyone can create and release a game on PC that millions of gamers have access to without paying licensing fees to the likes of Sony or Microsoft, and at little to no overhead cost. It is the most friendly platform for the thriving independent game developer scene.
• You can actually make money playing games and creating assets & mods for games on PC, and companies like Valve encourage this through the Steam Workshop and Market. Nothing like this exists on consoles.

These 2 points are only relevant to developers, not to gamers. I guess you could say that means more content on PC but that was already mentioned.

• There are far more Free To Play games on PC that are actually good games with business models that aren't horrible. Games like DotA 2 and Marvel Heroes are truly free to play. You can spend money for cosmetics or quality of life improvements but you don't need to at all. Again, nothing like this exists on consoles.

There are more good f2p games on pc but to say there are none on consoles is BS, don't know where you pulled this one from.

• The PC is overall less expensive to own than a console, and this becomes more drastic the more games one buys. A gaming PC that equals the PS4 or Xbox One in performance can be built for $400-$500 and then upgraded in a couple of years to easily surpass the capabilities of those locked and closed platforms, and the price disparity only grows as console gamers buy more and more expensive games over the lifespan of their console while PC gamers enjoy more & less expensive games.

Personally, I don't think we can effectively discuss this, I mean it all depends on what you buy, how many games you buy... someone could spend the whole gen with a console and buy games only when they are 5-10$, someone could be buying 2 new games a month but always selling them on craiglist, someone might not always have PS+, gold, there's tons of console game sales, trade-ins, used games etc. you just choose to ignore it. This is a really hard topic to agree on, we can't really set a standard here and say each gamer only buys new games each month for 60$, especially since some PC games are also 60$ now. I wouldn't sway this argument in any direction, it all depends on individual spending habits.

• The competitive / professional eSports scene lives on PC. Games like Dota 2 have tournaments like the International that had over $11 million dollars in prize money to be won this year - nothing like this exists on consoles.

• Ignorant again, call of duty world champs had 1m $ prize pool. It's not 11m but it's not non-existent. I really like competitive gaming but I wouldn't say this is a huge plus, unless you're the one competing and winning money.

There are more reasons but I'll leave it at that. Try to keep the discussion on topic - if you don't think the PC is the objectively superior gaming platform, then which one is and why? "LOL hermits" is not a valid argument. Please try to keep the discussion civil and on-topic, I don't want to have to create this again in a few weeks...but I totally will.

Thanks for reading and have fun!

No that's exactly what I said in the other thread.

No, it's not.

@Cranler said: You needed a $2000 pc to match the 360 in 2005

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/pc-gaming-is-crushing-consoles-31429983/?page=7

Yep, not to match what a 360 "can do," just to "match it."

Wrecked by your own words.

Ready to stfu now, or is it time to shift your argument?

You're a millenial, right?

Only an idiot would think I meant spec for spec because like I said before, consoles can get by with things that pc's can't.

Nah, I was "hanging on" the words you originally wrote and what they really mean.

In the context of a debate, only an "idiot" is casual in their verbiage.

If you're actually trying to prove a point then then your choice of words and exclusion of collequialisms means everything.

i've already shown my library numerous times, but for your viewing pleasure, again.

PC generally speaking cannot do 1080p in all games.

No.

Been there done that for more years than peasants can count. Care to provide a source for your consolite claim?

Man, you guys should just get a room already...

No.

Been there done that for more years than peasants can count. Care to provide a source for your consolite claim?

First pic is what Rage looks like on the 360 and the 2nd pic is what Rage looks like on Dasein88's "matching" system

Holy crap you are actually being smug and condescending about this of all points? Developers are good at accommodating the shortcomings of every major console.That doesn't make the console better able to run a specific piece of software. If a person wants software companies to continue to cater to their underpowered and obsolete hardware console owners have a much bigger advantage then any subset of PC gaming. Developers will dumb down the performance of software so far that even an older console will run it. That doesn't make a 360 is anything like a two thousand dollar computer.

Heck, ever walk through a door in a Bethesda game on a 360? Even with how much they are willing to strip down and optimize the software to meet the special needs of consoles, it takes a figurative week and a half to do anything in a Bethesda game on a console. Gosh help you if there is a door on the other side of that door. If so you might as well go grab a snack and relax. A PC with min game specs will almost always outperform the heck out of an aging console release simply because crappy computers are far less limited then aging consoles.

@Cranler: Why are you back to talking about the Xbox 360 and PC's from ten years ago? It's 2014, dude. The topic is about PC's of today, not your fantasy comparison from a decade ago.

Please get back on topic.

PC generally speaking cannot do 1080p in all games.

It has problems just like any of the "next gen" consoles.

I wanted to say this in this thread, b/c funny enough it was brought up in another thread and suddenly the PC gamers were no where to be found. So this will probably get ignored b/c they know what I'm getting at and they have no argument against it.

lmao

I'm sure I'm not the only person with a gaming PC out there that can't run all the games he/she owns at 1080p.

I see this argument all the time from the peasantry. "I have a $10,000 gaming PC that still can't max out games from 5 years ago! Also I prefer my consoles, PC sux! I have quad GTX Titan Blacks and my PS4 is better!"

Fucking LOL.

@mikhail: But playing games on a PC sucks.

/thread.

Will I have to wait another 2 generations for a GOTY on PC though? Maybe I can get into videogame design while I wait. In 10 years I can create my own GOTY and everybody on PC waits until steam sale to buy it and I barely make any money back.

Its just a fact if you want the best games the industry has to offer you need consoles and PC somehow misses the mark with them.

Except that if you look at the overall rankings, PC has far more higher rated games and a higher rating on average than any console. Just spend a few minutes browsing the metacritic rankings and you'll see this is true.

It's still astonishing that people truly believe some of the misinformation they spit out on a daily basis around here.

Its just a fact if you want the best games the industry has to offer you need consoles.

Minus GOTYs and perfect 10/10 games? Sure. Consoles are worth owning no matter what the OP or you say if not just for the exclusives that PC doesn't have.

Unless of course your position is exclusives only matter on PC?

No you don't.

The majority of console games are reviewed to lower standards, and, unless you like fighting and driving games, you can completely skip consoles because most games not in those genres are just simple games that don't require more than the few buttons offered by a controller.

EDIT: Sports games too and Mario of course because he's Mario.

I agree with you in a sense, in that I think the only reason to own any console ever is if it has some exclusives that you want to play.

Well I'll take what the industry has to say over SW's. Sorry. Consoles are worth owning.

You could judge a game's quality based on any criteria you want, no one cares. However, the "industry" doesn't review games - they make them.

@Heil68: Manticore?

And you play them and are judging. So I'll take the people making the games over a salty SW user.

Every time you post, you just further the stereotype that console gamers cannot read.

Well good thing I have a gaming PC brah., cuz I read that shit and responded...awwww yeahhhhh

Owning a "gaming pc" doesn't mean you aren't a console gamer. It does, however, kind of prove the point about PC gaming being the superior gaming platform.