The PC is the objectively superior gaming platform.

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I'll try to keep this as objective as possible because I know there are a lot of PlayStation and Xbox fans here in System Wars. I used to be one of you, then I discovered just how incredible and superior gaming on a PC can be! I decided to fully skip this console generation and play games exclusively on my PC and sometimes 3DS, and so far the decision has been one of the best I've ever made in regards to gaming.

Here are just some of the reasons why the PC is objectively superior to any console:

  • Works with any TV or monitor (even 2, 3, or more monitors - consoles cannot do this)
  • Works with any controller ever, even multiple different controllers at once. Want to use a DS4 and an Xbox One controller at the same time? No problem!
  • Free online services (Steam, Galaxy, Desura, Mumble, etc)
  • Better featured online services
  • Localized multiplayer, up to 16 players
  • Using a modern GPU 120+ fps. Consoles can barely handle 30, rarely 60.
  • Usable for work, education, content production, and entertainment
  • Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even if you built one for $400
  • PC Games are less expensive - PC's have Steam, GOG, Humble Bundle, Green Man Gaming, and more.
  • Better-rated games (by metascore)
  • Far more exclusive games
  • Independent developer friendly - there is no barrier to entry, anyone can create a game and self-publish on PC without going through a platform holder.
  • A huge amount of completely free and a TON of Free-To-Play games that are actually good
  • Larger game library by hundreds of times
  • Can emulate all of your old 8-bit and 16-bit console games
  • Steam Big Picture mode for couch gaming
  • You can repair them yourself without voiding your warranty
  • PC's Modular and upgradeable
  • The best backwards compatibility - play any and all previous PC games, usually doing nothing more than pressing "Install"
  • Higher graphical details (lighting, textures, foliage, particles, shading, weather)
  • You're probably going to own some sort of PC anyways, why not pay a bit more on top to make it a gaming machine? That alone makes it cheaper than a console.

The PC is an ever-evolving platform. It grows in power, capability, and value every single year. It's also free of the control of any single entity, which are why many of these advantages now exist. Rather than being regulated by a single company, control and improvement influence over the PC belongs to everyone equally. Even you, the consumers, have the full freedom to create or sell software and hardware for it. It's being constantly improved by competing companies and individuals all over the hardware spectrum, and all of them are trying to offer you (and game developers) the best experience possible.

Isn't PC gaming more expensive than console gaming?

No, absolutely not. Especially if you only plan to target console performance! There are already graphics cards available on the market for $150 that surpass the PS4 and XBox One in terms of framerate, resolution, detail, value, and power draw. A lot of people incorrectly believe that you have to spend upwards of $750-$1000 to get a PC fully capable of handling games. This simply isn't true! These inaccuracies can be attributed partially to the highly vocal and misinformed masses, and to the availability (and mainstream hype) of the expensive PC hardware we see advertised a lot. You see it more because it's advertised more. Why is it advertised more? Because the companies make more money from selling it as opposed to their mainstream and value offerings. The mainstream/budget parts are the ones you should be looking at; not the $2000+ enthusiast gear.We're not living the 90's any more. PC hardware is cheaper today than it has ever been! When taking a look at the measly selection of replaceable and upgradable hardware that some consoles offer,you'll always find a cheaper and better alternative for your PC. In fact, you can build a PC right now that will outperform "next-gen" consoles for pretty much the exact same price. After all, the "next-gen" consoles are really just watered-down PCs with crippled operating systems. Plus, if you only want to target 30 frames-per-second and only 720p, you're going to save a lot of money. In fact, it's actually hard to find a minimum-range graphics card that can even perform that badly these days. If you only want to match console performance, you essentially cut your GPU budget in half. See TekSyndicate's own explanation and build and this rough explanation for more information. If you're looking to get parts even cheaper than in the example videos, PCPartPicker is a great place to find discount hardware for your PC. The next time someone reminds you that 'It's not all about graphics', remind them that they're in luck, because that means they'll be spending almost nothing on their graphics card to achieve the performance they deemed adequate.

In addition to increased value, the PC also has a higher performance & quality ceiling

If you're the kind of person that wants to go all-out and buy a multi-thousand dollar setup with multiple monitors and graphics cards, you have the freedom to do so. Game developers know that a small fraction of the PC gaming market does this, so they add more demanding graphics options for you to make sure that extra hardware doesn't go to waste. A lot of people think that simply because these settings exist, they absolutely need to buy the latest and greatest 'RadForce MegaGigaJiggaFlexx 95-billion Elite Zombie Slayer Edition' graphics card to meet these settings with an acceptable framerate, or 'FPS'. The highest/ultra settings generally aren't created with the majority in mind. Even at low and medium settings, you'll be getting higher resolutions, smoother framerates, better lighting, higher resolution textures, and more detailed scenes than a comparably priced console. The fact of the matter is, both the hardware and software companies know exactly what graphics hardware the average consumer is going to buy and use, and they build their games and hardware accordingly. They're not here to build a game so demanding that you can't play it, and anyone who says so isn't telling you the whole truth. Game developers want sales, and if their game only run on the aforementioned minority enthusiast sector of PCs, they're going to get minority sales to go along with it. It's almost exclusively the graphical mods that push the game's minimum GPU cost to $1,000 or more.

Battlefield 3 rendered across multiple displays using EyeFinity. Here's a video of it in action(2012).

PC games are so much cheaper that they alone can make a PC undercut a console within a year

All year round, PC games are being sold at extreme discounts thanks to Good Old Games, Humble Bundles and Steam sales. Even brand new titles that have yet to be released can occasionally get a pre-order discount or otherwise drop below the traditional console release price of $59.99. There's also the occasional franchise or "studio" bundles that can save you around 25-50%. Summer and winter Steam sales offer the largest discounts, with single titles going as much as 75% off with entire franchises and bundle discounts stacking onto the discount Valve already added to it. Yes, it's true that you may sometimes get games that you don't want from a bundle, but you have to be trying pretty hard when you try to label that as a disadvantage. The games are yours forever, and there's a pretty good chance that someone may want to "borrow" it from you and try it out even if you don't. Over the course of 3-4 years, some people have saved over $3000 by using Steam. All those discounts, and developers still earn more on the PC.

The Virtual Reality revolution is being led by the PC

If you want to enjoy virtual reality gaming (and other forms of entertainment, the PC is an open development platform so the sky's the limit) in its most immersive form, you'll need a PC. High resolution and framerates are absolutely essential for Virtual Reality headsets (like the Oculus Rift) to properly immerse you and fool your brain. The industry's leading VR company said so themselves: even the next-gen consoles are far too weak to handle what they plan on doing. Some people don't want to use VR to control their gameworld, and some don't want to use it to even view the gameworld, which is fine. Virtual reality headwear isn't meant to be a replacement for desktop or livingroom gaming, it's just meant to be an immersive and creative alternative for the games and genres that best support it. Just because you don't want VR doesn't mean you shouldn't get a PC; it just means that your PC budget will probably be a lot lower!

The ESports revolution is being led by the PC

This has caused somewhat of an unexpected explosion in PC popularity in recent years. Consoles don't even compete with PCs in this regard, as this video sort of demonstrates.

I was told that PC gaming has compatibility problems

Game developers adhere to popular standards when they make their games. Hardware developers adhere to popular standards when they make hardware. Not doing so would gain them a terrible reputation and most likely bankruptcy. Because of this, games on PC don't have the compatibility issues they used to in the DOS days. In the DOS days, there were no standards to adhere to, and there were thousands of different possible hardware configurations. Almost no games worked with every piece of sound, video, and input hardware. The next time you hear someone complain about PC gaming being a pain because they hate 'checking to see if they have enough video RAM' or 'making sure they have a fast enough processor' or 'whether or not their sound drivers are up-to-date', just punch them and link them here. PC game developers make their game compatible with an enormous possible performance spectrum! Of all people that understand this, you'd expect it to partially be console gamers seeing as consoles are among the weak end of the spectrum. Apparently not, though, because many spew misinformation like this to scare people away from upgrading.

A PC is much better at making your gaming experience sharable

Streaming, screen recording, video editing, in-game chats, voice chat(Mumble or TeamSpeak), video chat(Skype/Google Hangouts), game invites, and everything else... it's all built in. Specifically FRAPS, Movie Maker, Twitch.tv, and Sony Vegas are popular choices among gamers. No need for expensive custom hardware or a separate device for editing the video; just install the software, run it, and hit record. It does it all, and with much higher quality footage than that of a console. In fact, most demos and commercials use PCs for 'actual gameplay footage' to sell their consoles and games due to quality/ease.

A PC is better than a console for media consumption

The only reason Microsoft and Sony are advertising media consumption more than games this time around is because of how far behind PCs they were, and because consoles actually make better playback devices than they do gaming machines. They try to claim their consoles have access to everything, but they really don't. Half of all media streaming services on the internet use HTML5 or Flash. Even attempting to access them with the crippled web browsers on the PS4 and XBox One will require a subscription first. Not to mention, the PC has free online access and several much better alternatives to the long-obsolete and broken Internet Explorer (which the XBox One forces you to use!).

PC games support local multiplayer gaming

Although consoles have traditionally been the platform to offer the best local multiplayer support, that's changing. With the surge in PC power in recent years, there have been games released that fully support both split-screen and "hotseat" multiplayer (nearly all of which also support controller input). Some even support up to 6 simultaneous players. Of course, even games without local multiplayer support can still be played on the same PC... up to 16, in fact. As well as SoftXpand, there's this, which allows screens to be "split" to a second display! Borderlands 2 is one such game that supports local multiplayer... even from the same Steam account.

You get more online functionality for free than a paid console user

Steam is a very heavily integrated gaming suite. For example: you can trade coupons, games, items, and cards with another Steam user right from within Steam (no need to be in-game and meet them). You can see what games and servers your friends are currently playing and join the server with the click of a button (and vice versa, you can invite them to yours). You can trade on the Community Market without ever having to hunt someone down that has or wants certain goods. Steam also has an integrated software store, developer store, Workshop (for easier modding), Greenlight, and Big Picture mode for couch gamers. Steam will also automatically sync your saved games and settings to the Steam Cloud. Your in-game Steam panel is pretty awesome, too. It lets you chat, trade, browse the web for walkthroughs and whatnot, track achievements, and much more.

The PC is better equipped for online play than a console

Since PCs have more processing power and faster networking (as well as modular networking, you can add a faster 10-gigabit ethernet card if you want one). This means (you have the option of) more enemies, more players, more action, much quicker and clearer voice communication, lower game latency, and much more. Developers and hobbyist server hosts have made great leaps with the PC in recent years; some PC servers can support up to10,000 players in a single FPS match! Imagine the intensity of 10,000 players compared to a measly 64 player match(which even the latest and greatest consoles have trouble reaching at all).

PC games can be modded. Console games (legally and logically) cannot

Have you ever beat a game and felt that rush of depression when the last cut-scene finishes and you are sent back to the main menu and the music starts? Probably. Fortunately for PC gamers, there are a plethora of mods available for our games that can be easily installed. Mods can change gameplay logic, add maps or characters, greatly improve graphical quality, introduce new game modes, and even create entirely new games altogether. Consoles simply cannot do this. The easiest way you could play a modded console game would be to buy or burn a modded disc image of the game and modify your firmware to accept it, rendering it incapable of online play and possibly even facing legal trouble for tinkering with it. Luckily, the Wii is one such console that allows modding (not all consoles are evil when it comes to modding!). Not to mention, mod support is tremendously helpful to gamers, games, and developers. Plus, thanks to modding communities, PC games essentially age in reverse. Meaning, they get even better looking as time goes on. Take a look at GTA IV as of January 2014 if you don't believe it.

Optimization: As time goes on, consoles don't get stronger and PCs don't get weaker

Some people claim that consoles get better over time due to "optimization" and that PCs (on the opposite end) get slower and need to be upgraded to keep up with these "optimizations". Not true! Yes, there is an increase in developer hardware and SDK familiarity after a new console launch (especially with the XBox 360 and PS3), but not for very long. These "optimizations" are not exclusive to the consoles, either! The same optimizations are also taken advantage of on the PC when they receive large hardware revisions as well. The leading cause of this "console optimization" misconception (other than the YouTube comments section) is likely due to the state of hardware during the launch of the XBox 360 and PS3. When the XBox 360 and PS3 launched, they had entirely new types and mixtures of hardware that the industry was very unfamiliar with. The XBox One and PS4 simply will not have a similar developer learning curve that the 360 and PS3 had because both new consoles use x86-based processors (which is also used by PCs!). As for the second part of the argument, loss of value with PC hardware (in comparison to console hardware) doesn't happen at a faster rate. Let's break this down: First off, the 360 and PS3 were sold at a loss when they launched. Times have changed! The Xbox One and PS4 are both being sold at a profit after their first game/online purchases (even at $400/$500). Secondly, the performance-per-dollar of desktop GPUs now is noticeably better than it was at the time. Even while taking this into account, a GPU in 2006 (during the 360 and PS3 launch) priced similar to the build price of those consoles is still very much usable today. The best GPU for this demonstration is NVidia's 8800 series. Not only are they still getting driver updates today, but they're also getting support from game developers.

After your PC loses its luster 3-4 years down the road, overclocking can bring it back

Let's face the facts. PCs aren't consoles; they improve every year and game developers adjust their games accordingly. If you get sick of running your games on medium and low instead of your traditional high or ultra, overclocking may be the answer. Overclocking is free and it's not as dangerous as it sounds. Performance gains vary, but once your parts are out of their warranty period you no longer have to worry about voiding it. Normally, even a small increase would void it. Of course, you could always just buy faster hardware, but thanks to overclocking you may not need to... at least for another year or so.

You can share your Steam games with others

Contrary to popular belief, your Steam games are not stuck with your account. Steam Family Sharing allows you to instantly lend your digitally-distributed games to another Steam user's library. Even if they're across the country... or world. It's instantly in their library. Unlike physical media, they cannot steal, lose, or damage your game in any way. The only downfall is, you need to download the games with your account on their PC first.

The games you buy on Steam are yours forever.

Lost your PC? No problem. Just log into Steam or Desura and re-download them to your new machine. No need to insert a disc or buy an online key. There's no limit on downloads and the speeds are as fast as your download bandwidth. No subscription services such as PS+ or the new EA Access program.

PCs are capable of much more than gaming, such as content creation

Think of it in terms of 'how much am I saving?'. Not 'how much am I spending?'. A PC can do so many things in this day and age it's ridiculous. All things considered, you can still get a PC for the same price of a console if you really care about price equality that much. If you're already a content creator with a powerful machine, congratulations!

Both the PS4 and XBox One consoles are still behind mid-range gaming PCs of today

Modern consoles like the PS4 and XBox One use an enhanced AMD A10, which is a mid-range budget processor. Back when the XBox 360 and PS3 came out, things were different. The XBox 360 and PS3 were both very competitive with equivalent PCs, and they were sold at a tremendous loss, even with their $600 price tags. Consoles now are being sold for $400-$500 and making healthy profits on the hardware alone, (at least after their first single game and round of online access payments, if not immediately) ... and yet they continue to raise the prices for online access/special services and increase their cuts for per-game sales. The last-gen prices aren't even adjusted to inflation, either! It really says something about console innovation when you have to adjust for inflation to compare across generations, doesn't it?

All platforms have their own exclusives but PC has thousands more than any other.

Due to the healthy, open, and competitive PC market, independent developers tend to gravitate toward the PC. Console companies are generally hostile toward independent developers and not nearly as many can so easily make their game available to console markets. With things like GOG, Steam, torrent sites (No, really! Indie developers and artists have used ThePirateBay for distribution on many occasions), and Desura, developers have millions of PC gamers they can reach without spending a single dime. To play every console exclusive, you would have to buy both consoles anyways (yes, the largest argument is 'console' exclusives not 'PlayStation' or 'XBox', just 'console)... which puts your price point over that of a PC. Not to mention,consoles are what trudged in and created the exclusivity issue in the first place, hoping that you'd reward them for it and buy into their cancerous ecosystem. In a situation where you have a choice of many, pick the best of the group: PC.

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#3 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -

Okay

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#5 Posted by sts106mat (24180 posts) -

didn't read lol

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#6 Edited by Cloud_imperium (14387 posts) -

Well said . It is hard to argue against it , when you've seen best of both worlds (as you've mentioned yourself)

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#7 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

Ofcourse PC is superior. The pure fact that it's an open platform determines that. Pointless thread TC.

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#8 Posted by CyberLips (1826 posts) -

@deadline-zero0 said:

Ofcourse PC is superior. The pure fact that it's an open platform determines that. Pointless thread TC.

^This. But i appreciate the effort TC.

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#9 Posted by uninspiredcup (25604 posts) -

PC has no single player AAA games now beyond console ports.

Shameful.

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#10 Posted by Cloud_imperium (14387 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

PC has no single player AAA games now beyond console ports.

Shameful.

Last time when I checked , you had mentioned that PC is best in each and every way . You said , you found that out just two weeks ago . Didn't you say games like Shogun 2 are pure art and criticized console games for being "movie games" .? Looks like two days ago you found out that you were wrong . I'm holding my breath for next week .

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#11 Posted by uninspiredcup (25604 posts) -

@Cloud_imperium said:

@uninspiredcup said:

PC has no single player AAA games now beyond console ports.

Shameful.

Last time when I checked , you had mentioned that PC is best in each and every way . You said , you found that out just two weeks ago . Didn't you say games like Shogun 2 are pure art and criticized console games for being "movie games" .? Looks like two days ago you found out that you were wrong . I'm holding my breath for next week .

Shogun 2 came out 12 years ago. Rome II sucked and Total War will now be made with consoles mind.

Dead franchise.

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#12 Posted by 7MDMA (315 posts) -

Good post. A gaming PC will always be the primary platform for gaming (for anyone with common sense) and a console secondary (if you're a fan of the handful of quality first-party exclusives that come out every gen).

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#13 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

PC has no single player AAA games now beyond console ports.

Shameful.

I know you're trolling, but consoles don't have a single player AAA game that ins't being funded and payed for by Sony or MS

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#15 Posted by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

I can't play Marvel on PC bro. What's the point of being "objectively superior" if I can't even play the games I want?

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#16 Posted by Cloud_imperium (14387 posts) -
@uninspiredcup said:

@Cloud_imperium said:

@uninspiredcup said:

PC has no single player AAA games now beyond console ports.

Shameful.

Last time when I checked , you had mentioned that PC is best in each and every way . You said , you found that out just two weeks ago . Didn't you say games like Shogun 2 are pure art and criticized console games for being "movie games" .? Looks like two days ago you found out that you were wrong . I'm holding my breath for next week .

Shogun 2 came out 12 years ago. Rome II sucked and Total War will now be made with consoles mind.

Dead franchise.


12 years ago .? Total War will be made with consoles in mind with no console version .? Source .?

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#17 Edited by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

I can't play Marvel on PC bro. What's the point of being "objectively superior" if I can't even play the games I want?

But you can't play GW2 on consoles, either. Exclusives to any platform will always exist, and one should always go for the one that has the games they want. That's what i'ts all about. If you want to play Marvel games and their not PC, then you should go with the console that has them.

However, from the perspective of which platform can offer more and better, PC is on top.

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#18 Posted by trugs26 (7497 posts) -
@Gue1 said:

I can't play Marvel on PC bro. What's the point of being "objectively superior" if I can't even play the games I want?

I know his post is too long, but he does somewhat address this in his very last point (see bold). Basically, he states that consoles created the idea of exclusivity. If everything were on a PC, then this idea would go out the window. And instead of console competition, it would be OS and software competition. So this is an argument from a system standpoint rather than software. TC somewhat mixes these ideas together a little, which does detract from his "objective" point unfortunately, but I still see what he's getting at in other aspects.

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#19 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162423 posts) -

But gaming is subjective. /thread

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#20 Posted by StormyJoe (7573 posts) -

@mikhail: I want to play games from my sofa. PC gaming sucks ass in the living room. So, I will not be a PC gamer.

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#21 Posted by 7MDMA (315 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

But gaming is subjective. /thread

Then arguments for console over PC are emotional rather than rational. For reference, see the poster above.

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#22 Edited by -Damien- (5355 posts) -

When did PC fanbase become the most obnoxious here? or they've been like this all along?

When The Witcher 3, PC-most proud and beloved franchise, sell more on PS4, I will shove that number right down to their throat

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#23 Posted by freedomfreak (49979 posts) -

Yes, we get it.

So very powerful. Ja. Über.

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#24 Edited by miiiiv (900 posts) -

@mikhail said:
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Just skimmed through it and most of it seems correct, maybe not "Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even if you built one for $400"
I think it's time people stop using that argument. A $400 pc build, including an os, a decent mouse and keyboard will probably not fare well against the ps4 over the coming years.
But pc games are cheaper and online gaming is free so some argue that a $700-800 build against the ps4 is more fair since the cost evens out over the years. With such a pc it's a more valid argument though as it's much more likely to perform pretty well over the coming years.

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#25 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

When did PC fanbase become the most obnoxious here? or they've been like this all along?

When The Witcher 3, PC-most proud and beloved franchise, sell more on PS4, I will shove that number right down to their throat

Lol, sales. The greatest irony will be that the PC versions will be better anyway. BTW, did you miss cows trashing xbox at every turn?

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#27 Edited by Cloud_imperium (14387 posts) -

@-Damien- said:

When did PC fanbase become the most obnoxious here? or they've been like this all along?

When The Witcher 3, PC-most proud and beloved franchise, sell more on PS4, I will shove that number right down to their throat

With next to no fanbase sure . As far as I know , Order 1886 is coming in same month for PS4 and lot of PS4 gamers are going to buy THAT instead ,since it shows what PS4 hardware is capable of .

On other hand , no amount of sales will change the fact that the game will be superior on PC . Don't know , how extra money that they'll earn from any random platform will benefit YOU . My friend , you never make sense .

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#28 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162423 posts) -

@7mdma said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

But gaming is subjective. /thread

Then arguments for console over PC are emotional rather than rational. For reference, see the poster above.

Is there something you didn't understand?

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#29 Edited by miiiiv (900 posts) -
@scottpsfan14 said:
@miiiiv said:

@mikhail said:
Wall of text

Just skimmed through it and most of it seems correct, maybe not "Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even if you built one for $400"

I think it's time people stop using that argument. A $400 pc build, including an os, a decent mouse and keyboard will probably not fare well against the ps4 over the coming years.

But pc games are cheaper and online gaming is free so some argue that a S700-800 build against the ps4 is more fair since the cost evens out over the years. With such a pc it's a more valid argument though as it's much more likely to perform pretty well over the coming years.

Although most of the wild claims they make in there are conjecture. No sources to back them up. Yeah, there is obvious truths in there, but hidden among it is a pile of BS. But then that's just the way of teh masterrace.

Like I said, I just skimmed through it, the $400 pc build was the first thing that caught my eyes as evidently false, I'm sure there are more things as the entire post is biased towards pc gaming.

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#30 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (29702 posts) -
  • Localized multiplayer, up to 16 players

Bro do you even Lan?

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#31 Posted by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

"Objective" and "superior" are mutually exclusive terms.

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#32 Posted by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

Yes, we get it.

So very powerful. Ja. Über.

JA, GENAU.

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#34 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

Ain't nobody got time to read that copy-pasted shit

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#35 Posted by SolidGame_basic (22436 posts) -

man these threads are becoming a dime a dozen.

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#36 Posted by osirisx3 (2113 posts) -

are we in china because thats one great wall of text?

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#37 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@SolidGame_basic: still better than your threads

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#38 Edited by thehig1 (6229 posts) -

Thread was well written but unnecessary, the OP basically said Cows go "Moo"

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#39 Edited by asylumni (3082 posts) -

@miiiiv said:
@scottpsfan14 said:
@miiiiv said:

@mikhail said:
Wall of text

Just skimmed through it and most of it seems correct, maybe not "Faster than a PS4 or XBox One, even if you built one for $400"

I think it's time people stop using that argument. A $400 pc build, including an os, a decent mouse and keyboard will probably not fare well against the ps4 over the coming years.

But pc games are cheaper and online gaming is free so some argue that a S700-800 build against the ps4 is more fair since the cost evens out over the years. With such a pc it's a more valid argument though as it's much more likely to perform pretty well over the coming years.

Although most of the wild claims they make in there are conjecture. No sources to back them up. Yeah, there is obvious truths in there, but hidden among it is a pile of BS. But then that's just the way of teh masterrace.

Like I said, I just skimmed through it, the $400 pc build was the first thing that caught my eyes as evidently false, I'm sure there are more things as the entire post is biased towards pc gaming.

Yeah, I checked the build, choosing the cheaper option when available, and it comes to $475.40 without an O/S or input device. So after you add those, you'd be at about 50% more than a PS4 with only an A10 6800K which can do Tomb Raider at 1080P, low settings at 35.6 FPS average on LOW.

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#40 Posted by tormentos (26637 posts) -

PC is better.

No games are not super cheap,and there is a used sales market that doesn't basically exist on PC.

Consoles have the advantage or playing even the most demanding games that come to PC,like Crysis 3 even in water down form,something that some old GPU just can't do.

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#41 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@tormentos said:

PC is better.

well if el tormo agrees then it must be true

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#42 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -

@mikhail: It doesn't have the game console exclusives and it's more expensive to own and manage. Opinions vary. Nuff said.

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#43 Posted by pyro1245 (3357 posts) -

I agree but for a much simpler reason: PC is an open platform, consoles are closed.

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#44 Posted by thehig1 (6229 posts) -

Just for fun I had a go of picking a PC that beats the Ps4 for perfomance for £400. Closest I got was £467.

Meh

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#45 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -

@deadline-zero0 said:

@-Damien- said:

When did PC fanbase become the most obnoxious here? or they've been like this all along?

When The Witcher 3, PC-most proud and beloved franchise, sell more on PS4, I will shove that number right down to their throat

Lol, sales. The greatest irony will be that the PC versions will be better anyway. BTW, did you miss cows trashing xbox at every turn?

Yes, it will definitely be better on the PC, but more gamers will play in on game consoles (even though there are millions and millions more PC gamers then consoles gamers - FACT) Which comes to the conclusion that gamers DON'T CARE if it's better on the PC, as they would rather play most of their multiplat games on GAME CONSOLES. It's funny that PC gamers still haven't figured this out yet.

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#46 Posted by pyro1245 (3357 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

Just for fun I had a go of picking a PC that beats the Ps4 for perfomance for £400. Closest I got was £467.

Meh

It's a good thing we don't have to stop at the PS4's performance level though :p

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#47 Posted by thehig1 (6229 posts) -

@pyro1245 said:

@thehig1 said:

Just for fun I had a go of picking a PC that beats the Ps4 for perfomance for £400. Closest I got was £467.

Meh

It's a good thing we don't have to stop at the PS4's performance level though :p

true, I only done that because I'm bored at work lol.

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#48 Posted by MonsieurX (36977 posts) -

They are

@tormentos said:

PC is better.

No games are not super cheap,and there is a used sales market that doesn't basically exist on PC.

Consoles have the advantage or playing even the most demanding games that come to PC,like Crysis 3 even in water down form,something that some old GPU just can't do.

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#49 Posted by edwardecl (2240 posts) -

I've never understood the appeal of multiple monitors for anything other than maybe a flight sim, it looks like shit to have edges between screens. And PC does not have console exclusives.

But yes for everything else PC is better, and things like steam are making it easier for the people who don't know much about PCs to just play a game. The only slight issue is the cost of upgrading, you will need to upgrade a PC 2 or 3 times in the course of a console generation, not to keep up with consoles, to keep up with everyone else who has a PC and if you don't the games get so unoptimised they do not run any more, a good example of this is shit like assassin's creed where the minimum requirements are like 3 or 4 times the power of the previous gen console and it still runs like shit.

Maybe things will change and PC devs will focus on targeting a standard set of requirements for at least 4-5 years so the game at least runs at 30FPS at low-medium settings at 1080p, obviously with options to exceed that. Maybe then they can convince console people to migrate.

I don't like being forced to buy a 200watt graphics card that sounds like a wind tunnel just to play a game at a stable frame rate, maybe that's just me. Still waiting on newer GPUs that are worth an upgrade they have been stuck at 28nm for far too long.

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#50 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

@blackace said:

@deadline-zero0 said:

@-Damien- said:

When did PC fanbase become the most obnoxious here? or they've been like this all along?

When The Witcher 3, PC-most proud and beloved franchise, sell more on PS4, I will shove that number right down to their throat

Lol, sales. The greatest irony will be that the PC versions will be better anyway. BTW, did you miss cows trashing xbox at every turn?

Yes, it will definitely be better on the PC, but more gamers will play in on game consoles (even though there are millions and millions more PC gamers then consoles gamers - FACT) Which comes to the conclusion that gamers DON'T CARE if it's better on the PC, as they would rather play most of their multiplat games on GAME CONSOLES. It's funny that PC gamers still haven't figured this out yet.

Of course most gamers don't care. I didn't state they did. But this is system wars. You know, where fanboys come to argue over the finest detail on each platform. At which point, PC is better.

I was simply pointing out that sales don't affect each individual gamer.