The Order vs FF The Spirit Within graphics

The once seemingly impossible for real time graphics Final Fantasy The Spirit Within CGI is pretty much now within spitting distance to be achieved in a video game, yes, with the advance of modern real time graphics technology and GPUs, we can finally be able to cross the boundary and step into a brave new world of offline prerendered CGI, at least the earlier ones. The Playstation 4 exclusive The Order 1886 is one such example. Of course in terms of raw numbers, FF TSW could still be well ahead but what could be perceived through your eyes tells a whole different story. When you carefully blend the right mixture of both tech and art..and a suitable amount of mustache, the end result is of the most revealing!

I think The Order has exceed TSW in some areas such as skin shader, SSS, eye shader and perhaps lighting. At this stage it might be unfair to compare a video game's graphics to The Order, we might have to start to use early CGI movies for comparison.

Took you a while to create a thread about The Order's graphics since it flopped harde.

Still,inb4lock

Considering FF:SW was made in 2001 for fucks sake, 14 years later improvements better of been made...

Ironic you're comparing The Order to a movie.

Oh the Irony.

@clyde46: Yea but it was done on multiple super computers. It's cool to see in game visuals catch up. Eventhough it took 14 years. I remember seeing that movie and asking how long it would take.

I'm actually enjoying the game, much better then the reviews stated. It certainly has issues but I hope it sells well. I would like to see what could be done with a sequel.

1- Using CG from 2001

2- The game uses extreme levels of blur, specially during combat scenarios. Don't remember CGI videos being so blurry.

3- Took you long enough to make a gfx thread about the game.

I'm honestly very surprsied you didn't try to compare to PC games.

lovely amazing looking game shame about the gameplay, What gameplay you ask? Exactly!

Bring on Bloodborne gonna be a thousand time better than this tosh.

@scottpsfan14 said:

Bu but I thought Crysis 3 was graphics king?? Lmao.

However, there are indeed some more advanced shaders in use with The Order. FF SW is using 2001 tech. But it also has the advantage of higher density polygon meshes used through out as it has ample rendering time. So I'd say it's the modern shaders that make The Order look better than geometric detail.

Technically it still trounces the order 10 times over.

@scottpsfan14: lmao

Because PC games aren't even in the same ballpark at this stage, they're gonna need Ryse 2 or Crysis 4 to compete.

If you are trying to be funny, its not working.

@scottpsfan14: You played it at all? It's not GotY but it's certainly not shit. I think expectations have as a lot to do with it.

Not the graphics thread I was expecting

The game in general just looks bonkers, like unfairly, unfathomably impressive. I really hope ND could dial things up more by year end with UC4 coz boy does it have competition.

After that five, I was under the impression the Sony people would have stopped boasting, apparently not.

Humility appears as absent as ever.

@gpuking: I'd rather they worry about other aspects of UC4 before worrying about a graphics dick measuring contest

@scottpsfan14: Its not as automated as much as you think but more then it needs to be. For example a triangle prompt pops over someone when you want to melle them but no timing is involved. They should have just left the button prompt off. The shooting and cover mechanics are as good as any and the visuals and animation are outstanding. It does need more pure gameplay though. I really hope they do a sequel and listen to some of the critics because it could be a outstanding game.

The Order does good faces and nothing else. It's over use of blur and fog to hide detail is ridiculous and still people go on about how awesome it looks.

Just stop, the game flopped hard and even it's 'awsome' blurred mess visuals couldn't save it.

Not sure why you're bringing up Ryse, but Ryse on PC, like Crysis 3, isn't blurred to ****.

While i won't deny that all the cloth, hair and some other tech elements are amazing, it's obvious the game makes use of 2 major tricks to mask it's details.

1-Blur. This gives the game a very soft look, almost like a CGI vid or a "traditional movie". But it also hides and dissolves the detail, even in close proximity. This becomes most apaprent during firefights when anything just a few meters away looks "fogggy". If you remember some of my first comments on SW after i came back, was about just that, in an order thread. Open up a tab with a 1080p scan of any game (like Ryse i guess) and then one for TO1886. If you tell me TO looks far more blurry, you're lying

The very pics in the Op show bokeh effetcs. Anything not in clear focus becomes blurred out.

If you want to see what i mean, look at pics of Ryse looks closer to photorealistic than The Order 1886. This is due to texture modeling, lighting conditions, and so forth. Making it "look like CGI" isn't a proof of pure graphical power, since the CG in Avatar is still better than any game, but mainly different, from the style used in Pixar movies or Blizzard trailers.

2- Scope. You know how we tend to say that those UE4 or Cryengine tech videos don't count because nothing is happening on screen? Yeah, that's almost The Order 1886. It's level design is easily the most enclosed i've seen in awhile, for a third person action game.

Levels are extremely boxed in, environmental interaction is kept to a minimum, vistas are rare, and npc count is very low. So low infact, that the larger gathering i've seen so far is about 12-15 people in a public square. The detail is superb, i'll never deny it, but even DF touched on the small scope of the game being an advanatge in reaching the fidelity.

I know. Star Citizen is already beyond the likes of the order and ryse.

Movie game sucks.

I know, Tormentos isn't here yet

Would rather play Quake 2 or Dark Forces II over these any day.

Fair enough, but FF: Spirits Within is probably the better movie.

Burn.

Some more CGI like graphics which in my opinion approaches even some of the newer game CGIs.

@deadline-zero0: Star citizen details are not even close. It's far larger and more impressive but it doesn't look as detailed.

As for the blur it's not near as bad as you make it out to be.. It has a nice DoF effect as you draw your weapon and uses blur as you break into a full Sprint but outside of that it looks pretty clean. It's not like it just uses blur all the time.

They could of made a good animated movie with this instead of a shitty game.

UC4 looked real good currently but it just lacks that post processing The Order seems to utilize so well, the character models do indeed look more impressive in UC4 but it's early days so hopefully we get to see more improvements at E3.

5/10

TSW has better gameplay, and is not as linear.

Not even close to detail?

Also, this comparison to CGI is stupid. CGI stands for computer generated image. It's not exactly that different from graphical techniques used in games. However, just like games, CG can be implemented in various ways.

this shot from Frozen is less detailed tha TO in some small effects. However, what about Avatar?

Still think The Order looks like CG? Right.

Now moving on to Ryse, since it seems to get brought up for some reason, it goes for a more realistic design approach. In terms of tech, i still find TO more impressive, but not by that much. Regarding the blur, you serious? Open up those 3 pics in a new tab.

Now compared to these 3 Ryse 1080p pics, and tell me TO looks even has sharp and clean.

Spirit Within looks cleaner but shittier overall. The movie that almost killed Square if it wasn't for Sony helping them out. lol

@deadline-zero0: Avatar us the peak of CGI. That doesn't mean the order doesn't rival CGI matter of fact it holds its own with most. And although techniques are the same as games Cgi can be generated by multiple machines at 1fps as it does not have to run in real time.

PS. Yes during stale shots the order looks as sharp and as clean. Ryse uses the exact same techniques. Motion blur during movement and linear environments. He'll even Cgi uses lots of motion blur and DoF.

The thread we all been waiting impatiently.

Lol, why is it always the usual trio of "armchair devs" white-knighting Playstation exclusives in gpuking/m3dude1/giovela2010/m3boarder32's awful troll threads?

Hilarious. Never change bro.