The Official Wii U Thread: Nintendo Direct Incoming

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

Stevo_the_gamer

so japan get black WiiU game cases? no fair.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

Stevo_the_gamer

so japan get black WiiU game cases? no fair.

SectorSix6

that's probably just for monster hunter...the rest are probably blue also.

i just read the WiiU review in GI... he mentions a white led light by the disc slot that stays on when there is a cd inside...can that be turned off?SectorSix6

Not that I can tell.

It seems to remain on in my Wii U launch-day owning experience.

Since I leave Super Mario U in the machine, that white light has remained on for weeks.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

Stevo_the_gamer

I really don't understand Nintendo's hardware choices. Obviously alpha blending is the cause of all WiiU's performance issues in all these ports, and the reason for that is lack of SIMD instructions and memory bandwidth. Instead Ninendo decided to go with low latency which I don't see helping too much in terms of performance in any practical situation. I mean...sure they can workaround the SIMD issue by offloading teh calculations to teh GPU(which they probably havent done), but the memory bandwidth still poses a problem. Maybe there is a workaround for that, but I wouldn't know. Oh well back to Nintendoland :P

[QUOTE="SectorSix6"]i just read the WiiU review in GI... he mentions a white led light by the disc slot that stays on when there is a cd inside...can that be turned off?SolidTy

Not that I can tell.

It seems to remain on in my Wii U launch-day owning experience.

Since I leave Super Mario U in the machine, that white light has remained on for weeks.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="SectorSix6"]i just read the WiiU review in GI... he mentions a white led light by the disc slot that stays on when there is a cd inside...can that be turned off?SectorSix6

Not that I can tell.

It seems to remain on in my Wii U launch-day owning experience.

Since I leave Super Mario U in the machine, that white light has remained on for weeks.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

Enforcedspot

I heard it is more bugs in AC3 for WiiU :|

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

painguy1

I really don't understand Nintendo's hardware choices. Obviously alpha blending is the cause of all WiiU's performance issues in all these ports, and the reason for that is lack of SIMD instructions and memory bandwidth. Instead Ninendo decided to go with low latency which I don't see helping too much in terms of performance in any practical situation. I mean...sure they can workaround the SIMD issue by offloading teh calculations to teh GPU(which they probably havent done), but the memory bandwidth still poses a problem. Maybe there is a workaround for that, but I wouldn't know. Oh well back to Nintendoland :P

Cost-cutting...

I think 360's CPU would be better choice than Wii's but you would also loose BC that way.

The way I see it Nintendo will have to help out the 3rd parties with their games, for best results.

Their own games will, obviously, take the best advantage of the machine.

[QUOTE="Enforcedspot"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

aroxx_ab

I heard it is more bugs in AC3 for WiiU :|

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

nameless12345

I really don't understand Nintendo's hardware choices. Obviously alpha blending is the cause of all WiiU's performance issues in all these ports, and the reason for that is lack of SIMD instructions and memory bandwidth. Instead Ninendo decided to go with low latency which I don't see helping too much in terms of performance in any practical situation. I mean...sure they can workaround the SIMD issue by offloading teh calculations to teh GPU(which they probably havent done), but the memory bandwidth still poses a problem. Maybe there is a workaround for that, but I wouldn't know. Oh well back to Nintendoland :P

Cost-cutting...

I think 360's CPU would be better choice than Wii's but you would also loose BC that way.

The way I see it Nintendo will have to help out the 3rd parties with their games, for best results.

Their own games will, obviously, take the best advantage of the machine.

Well actually 360's CPU would be even worse. 360's CPU is absolute garbage. The only advantage it really has is SIMD which can be offloaded to the GPU. Developer engines just haven't been changed to do that yet since they'd have to figure out how to sync everything with the rest of teh game logic. WiiU's CPU aside from SIMD performance is decent upgrade from the 360, and much more efficient considering its clock speed is a 3rd of the 360's and its equivelent in performance. (altough still not very good at all). I do agree with the rest of your statement though :P I wish Nintendo would just forget about BC. If they dropped BC we would have a much stronger system in our hands for the same price :?

Well actually 360's CPU would be even worse. 360's CPU is absolute garbage. The only advantage it really has is SIMD which can be offloaded to the GPU. Developer engines just haven't been changed to do that yet since they'd have to figure out how to sync everything with the rest of teh game logic. WiiU's CPU aside from SIMD performance is decent upgrade from the 360, and much more efficient considering its clock speed is a 3rd of the 360's and its equivelent in performance. (altough still not very good at all). I do agree with the rest of your statement though :P I wish Nintendo would just forget about BC. If they dropped BC we would have a much stronger system in our hands for the same price :?

painguy1

I'm no expert, but from what I gathered, the CPU architecture isn't ultimately the issue: it's the lack of familiarity with that CPU in this system context. A CPU closer to the 360 would have made the launch games look a lot better than they currently are, and even better than the 360, but that's only because devs are used to the 360 architecture. Regardless of any objective elements of superiority of the 360's CPU, it is undeniable that all WiiU games are currently built with game engines designed around a 360-type of archeture. There are no WiiU game engines yet. Nintendo is buildng those game engines as we speak and will undoubtedly be helping third parties with the transition to maximize the proformance of games on WiiU hardware.

My message: I'm not saying that it is proven that the WiiU's CPU will be better or even equal to the 360. I'm saying that it is too early to make those judgments. In the mean time, maybe it still wasn't worth it to preserve backwards compatibility but that all depends on what third parties can do with the new game engines when they come out.

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

Well actually 360's CPU would be even worse. 360's CPU is absolute garbage. The only advantage it really has is SIMD which can be offloaded to the GPU. Developer engines just haven't been changed to do that yet since they'd have to figure out how to sync everything with the rest of teh game logic. WiiU's CPU aside from SIMD performance is decent upgrade from the 360, and much more efficient considering its clock speed is a 3rd of the 360's and its equivelent in performance. (altough still not very good at all). I do agree with the rest of your statement though :P I wish Nintendo would just forget about BC. If they dropped BC we would have a much stronger system in our hands for the same price :?

GunSmith1_basic

I'm no expert, but from what I gathered, the CPU architecture isn't ultimately the issue: it's the lack of familiarity with that CPU in this system context. A CPU closer to the 360 would have made the launch games look a lot better than they currently are, and even better than the 360, but that's only because devs are used to the 360 architecture. Regardless of any objective elements of superiority of the 360's CPU, it is undeniable that all WiiU games are currently built with game engines designed around a 360-type of archeture. There are no WiiU game engines yet. Nintendo is buildng those game engines as we speak and will undoubtedly be helping third parties with the transition to maximize the proformance of games on WiiU hardware.

My message: I'm not saying that it is proven that the WiiU's CPU will be better or even equal to the 360. I'm saying that it is too early to make those judgments. In the mean time, maybe it still wasn't worth it to preserve backwards compatibility but that all depends on what third parties can do with the new game engines when they come out.

I'm no expert, but from what I gathered, the CPU architecture isn't ultimately the issue: it's the lack of familiarity with that CPU in this system context. A CPU closer to the 360 would have made the launch games look a lot better than they currently are, and even better than the 360, but that's only because devs are used to the 360 architecture. Regardless of any objective elements of superiority of the 360's CPU, it is undeniable that all WiiU games are currently built with game engines designed around a 360-type of archeture. There are no WiiU game engines yet. Nintendo is buildng those game engines as we speak and will undoubtedly be helping third parties with the transition to maximize the proformance of games on WiiU hardware.

My message: I'm not saying that it is proven that the WiiU's CPU will be better or even equal to the 360. I'm saying that it is too early to make those judgments. In the mean time, maybe it still wasn't worth it to preserve backwards compatibility but that all depends on what third parties can do with the new game engines when they come out.

GunSmith1_basic

A hacker from fail overflow pretty much confirmed that the CPU is an upgrade from the 360, but he never mentioned by how much(didn't seem to make a big deal of it). Other than that I agree with what your saying. I don't believe I ever said other wise. :? In fact I went out of my way to say that IF the Darksider 2 devs offloaded SIMD related instructions to the GPU then alpha blending performance issues wouldn't be as prevalent which relates to your mentioning of unique and different hardware architectures.

Gonna see how we do without a sticky.

Don't fail me, System Wars :P

Well actually 360's CPU would be even worse. 360's CPU is absolute garbage. The only advantage it really has is SIMD which can be offloaded to the GPU. Developer engines just haven't been changed to do that yet since they'd have to figure out how to sync everything with the rest of teh game logic. WiiU's CPU aside from SIMD performance is decent upgrade from the 360, and much more efficient considering its clock speed is a 3rd of the 360's and its equivelent in performance. (altough still not very good at all). I do agree with the rest of your statement though :P I wish Nintendo would just forget about BC. If they dropped BC we would have a much stronger system in our hands for the same price :?

painguy1

No. BC is incredibly important, even from a marketing standpoint, I guess. People here have said they might pick it up because they'll also have Wii games to catch up on.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-darksiders-2-on-wii-u-face-off

Wii U version inferior to both PS3 and 360. :[

Enforcedspot

Is that gif from Bayo 2?

Sales of the WiiU as of now.

US: 542,583

Europe First Two Days: 178,615

Japan First Two Days: 307,471

Other: 66,363

Total: 1,095,032

Yeah, its from lolvgcharts but should be better than nothing at least for now.

The top games sold by far is the ninty first parties. The third parties sold the other half with a grand total altogether of 2,289,275. NSMBU attach of 1 out 1.6, NL attach of 1 out 1.7, and ZombiU attach of 1 out of 5.8 people.