The Official Project Cafe Thread: CONFIRMED BY NINTENDO!!! (Specs Leaked?)

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CONFIRMED BY NINTENDO, THE NEW SYSTEM WILL BE PLAYABLE AT E3 2011, AND IS DUE TO LAUNCH 2012 WORLDWIDE.

JAPANESE PRESS MEMO

ENGLISH PRESS MEMO

RUMORED SPECS FOR PROJECT CAFE:

Spec Sheet

This is it folks- Nintendo are jumping head on into HD, and kickstarting the eighth generation of gaming. The successor to the Wii is set to be revealed this E3, multiple sources have claimed, and it will be 'done right,' claim these sources, 'not a gimmick like the Wii.' Set to launch in 2012, the system will feature full backwards compatibility with the Wii, although it is unknown if it will carry the Wii branding.

The catch is that when Nintendo was contacted for information by Game Informer, they did not say the usual we do not respond to speculation and rumors.... instead, they said 'stay tuned for E3.' This is it, folks. This is as big as it gets. Nintendo is all set to unveil their latest system- what will it be like? Sound off, people!

Source: Game Informer

Source: KotakuThe original rumor

Since then, the rumor mills have gone absolutely bersek. Over the past one week, so many rumors have been going around about the Project Cafe.

So let's get some of them out of the way:

  • More powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3
  • Streams output at 1080p
  • May or may not be stereoscopic 3D enabled right out of the box
  • The controller will have an HD touch scren along with the entire button setup of the Gamecube. The touch screen will make the system act like a gigantic Nintendo DS
  • Rockstar has a development kit for the system, and Grand Theft Auto V will be a launch title
  • DICE has a development kit for the system and Battlefield 3 will be a launch title for the system.
  • Retro has a development kit for the system, and is working on a sequel to a beloved game - rumors point to it being either Star Fox or Eternal Darkness 2.
  • The system will be priced $350-$400, and could be released as early as October this year.
  • The system will not carry the Wii branding.
  • The system will be fully backwards compatible with the Wii
  • The system willnot use friend codes.
  • Miyamotohas confirmed the existence of the system, saying there is no smoke without fire.

Project Cafe

Thanks i3DS for the image!

Rumor Consolidation 2011

October 2010:
-Marvell QuadCore processors for new console- *This might have had something to do with Kinect, But I don't remember.
-IBM implies that Wii2 uses Cell based PPC

November 2010:
-Marvell Quad cores gets a large order:From large console manufacturer - *once again might be Kinect related.
-House of the Dead: Overkill 2 in the works
-EA reviving NFL Blitz

December 2010:

January 2011:
-UltraViolet Media Cloud service coming to a console- Most Likely Sony since Sony is a partner.
-New Pokemon game for Wii

February 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soonaccording to THQ

March 2011:
-Wii2 announcement coming soonaccording to EA
-AMD working on CPU/GPU combined chip for console due for release @ end of 2012; Told to bring schedule in for earlier release

April 2011:
-Monster Hunter 3DS to be announced soon
-SSFIV3D connects to home console- Hint @ Wii2 from Capcom and 3DS -> Wii2 connectivity
-Wii price drop to $150 on May 15th
-Wii2 announcement @ E3:1080p HD, More powerful than PS360, BC with Wii, release late 2012
-New Wii2 controller has HD screen built in
-Wii2 to use Bluray technology
-Wii2 actually aimed at early 2012 release(1st half 2012) *IGN backs this up in their mailbag*
-Controller Screen is actually a Touch Screen
-Project Cafe: Wii2 Controller is a Tablet:6" touch Screen on Controller, front facing camera & doubles as sensor bar for BC
-Dual Analogs, Streaming & GamesWii2 controller to rival 3DS, NGP, iPhone & iPad apparently
-1st & 3rd Party games @ E3EA, Ubisoft & Capcom all but confirmed
-Wii2 = TriCore PPC & R700 ****GPU w/ 512+MB RamAnother surprise to be shown @ E3
-3rd Parties have had Wii2 Dev Kits for Months, Has better Motion Tracking than Move
-Pikmin 3 moved to Project Cafeto be shown @ E3; Nintendo also in talks with R* for solid AAA support.
-Wii2 launch June 2012; Rockstar delivering game (?GTA V?) during launch window
-Wii2, 3DS & E3!? Oh Yes!!; 3rd Parties taking a front seat this time around.
-Retro working on Wii2 game; and it's "a project everyone wants us to do" (Starfox? Zelda? New Original FPS?)
-Retro's new game is actually Eternal Darkness 2?
-"Where there's smoke, there's fire" - Miyamoto's comment on Project Cafe- He also said not to believe everything you hear though.
-Wii2 controller has a 6.2" screen and 8 buttons
-1up says: No Friend Codes for Wii2

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Post taken from Nintendo World Report forums credit again goes to BlackNMild2k1*

22Toothpicks

This rumor consolidation was first posted by 22toothpicks. Be sure to thank him!

What do you guys think? No smoke without fire?

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Haha at the time I posted this post, I had no idea this thread would explode into 1,000+ posts! Sticky this! Awesome thread.

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Wouldn't surprise me in the least, but that isn't confirmation.
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#4 nintendoboy16
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I'm sorry, Charizard, but the title is misleading.
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You can easily make a small, compact system thats way better than the PS3/360. Nintendo knew the main problems developers had with the system and are fixing to remedy that.

Bout time Zelda is played in HD though...legally.

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#6 110million
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I'd imagine it will only be slightly more powerful than PS3 and 360 and the next PS and XBOX will end up being a gen ahead of it again, but its fine, HD nintendo games sooner or later are good enough. I wonder if this will effect the 3DS.
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More powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 = 1/4 as powerful as Xbox 720 and PS4.
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#8 Secret-Face
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That's not a confirmation? Also:

Update: Nintendo responded to our inquiry with a standard "Nintendo does not comment on rumor or speculation".

In the very article you linked :P

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I hope it would be more powerful than 6-5 year old consoles

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Is this a confirmation? Very interesting if true
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Mark my words, this isn't true.

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That's not a confirmation? Also:

Update: Nintendo responded to our inquiry with a standard "Nintendo does not comment on rumor or speculation".

In the very article you linked :P

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Oh, damn it. They said something else in the Game Informer article. *sigh* Lemme edit this :oops:
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More powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 = 1/4 as powerful as Xbox 720 and PS4.Timstuff
Haha. Yeah, when you put it that way.... Maybe this system is coming out a little too soon?
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So...this means end for ps3 360 graphics debate? :(

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#15 MrSelf-Destruct
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Mark my words, this isn't true.

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The guys at game informer seem to believe its true and have talked to many different sources who say its true, so.... Why would we mark your words?
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[QUOTE="Timstuff"]More powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3 = 1/4 as powerful as Xbox 720 and PS4.MrSelf-Destruct
Haha. Yeah, when you put it that way.... Maybe this system is coming out a little too soon?

I think so too. The Wii still has some fight left in it =P
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I think Sony and Microsoft had the right idea of making HD consoles with the proliferation of HDTVs and digital broadcast TV. Nintendo is going to be late to the party and this only gives Sony and MS more reason to sit on the fence and make more powerful systems.

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#18 Cheese-Muffins
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I hope the Kotaku rumor is just a guess on its name. As much as I love the Wii, I want them to drop the brand. It would show a new direction, which I hope is true in this generation.

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I'm sorry, Charizard, but the title is misleading.nintendoboy16
Changed the topic title :oops:
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This thing will be haven...if this is true

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This thing will be haven...if this is true

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It's the smartest (and most desperate) thing Nintendo can do.
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#22 Luxen90
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I believe it and if the Wii's price does drop next month, this rumor will sound even more believable.

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I sure hope that Nintendo's next gen console is more powerful than the current present gen ones :|

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I believe it and if the Wii's price does drop next may, this rumor will sound even more believable.Luxen90
It will all make sense. It will also explain what Nintendo's first party has been doing.
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#25 110million
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[QUOTE="AvatarMan96"]

This thing will be haven...if this is true

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It's the smartest (and most desperate) thing Nintendo can do.

Its not really a "if" but 'when" and it seems like a good time. A Wii 2 could have nice 3DS integration and increase the value of both.
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Oooh!! Nintendo's E3 is going to be exciting if this is true. Also if they do reveal a new console, I bet MS and Sony fast forward their next gen plans.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="AvatarMan96"]

This thing will be haven...if this is true

110million
It's the smartest (and most desperate) thing Nintendo can do.

Its not really a "if" but 'when" and it seems like a good time. A Wii 2 could have nice 3DS integration and increase the value of both.

Yep. Nintendo might even be able to sell a double pack that will have both the 3DS and Wii2 in he same pack for a reduced price.
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For their sake, it better have a leap in procesing power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 or it will get left behind. Here is what i'd like to see...

Support for 1080p in games preferably with AA

120Gb hard drive or larger

GPU processing: ~27 GP/S (Pixel fill rate), ~50 GT/S (texture fill rate)

Support for tessellation (not expecting a lot of it)

Improved online network without the need for friend codes

WiFi and LAN capabilities out of the box

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I definitely see this happening, let's hope that's what Nintendo's first party has been doing so we get some good launch titles.

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#30 110million
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For their sake, it better have a leap in procesing power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 or it will get left behind. Here is what i'd like to see...

Support for 1080p in games preferably with AA

120Gb hard drive or larger

GPU processing: ~27 GP/S (Pixel fill rate), ~50 GT/S (texture fill rate)

Support for tessellation (not expecting a lot of it)

Improved online network without the need for friend codes

WiFi and LAN capabilities out of the box

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I just want Zelda in HD.
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For their sake, it better have a leap in procesing power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 or it will get left behind. Here is what i'd like to see...

Support for 1080p in games preferably with AA

120Gb hard drive or larger

GPU processing: ~27 GP/S (Pixel fill rate), ~50 GT/S (texture fill rate)

Support for tessellation (not expecting a lot of it)

Improved online network without the need for friend codes

WiFi and LAN capabilities out of the box

demonic_85
It might still have Friend Codes, but it might just have one unified FC per profile, like the 3DS, as opposed to different ones per game, like it is with the Wii.
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That's not a confirmation? Also:

Update: Nintendo responded to our inquiry with a standard "Nintendo does not comment on rumor or speculation".

In the very article you linked :P

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Misleading title yes, but more often than not when a company keeps quiet about something and doesn't just deny it it tends to be true! A glimmer of hope :P
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#33 dzimm
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...it will be 'done right,' claim these sources, 'not a gimmick like the Wii.'charizard1605

Please, enough with the "gimmick" canard. :roll:

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[QUOTE="demonic_85"]

For their sake, it better have a leap in procesing power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 or it will get left behind. Here is what i'd like to see...

Support for 1080p in games preferably with AA

120Gb hard drive or larger

GPU processing: ~27 GP/S (Pixel fill rate), ~50 GT/S (texture fill rate)

Support for tessellation (not expecting a lot of it)

Improved online network without the need for friend codes

WiFi and LAN capabilities out of the box

charizard1605

It might still have Friend Codes, but it might just have one unified FC per profile, like the 3DS, as opposed to different ones per game, like it is with the Wii.

I'm sure it would have just one FC. Because if the 3DS only has one unified FC per Profile then the next home console will definitely have only 1 FC per profile.

Nintendo uses their handhelds as a test market for what they do on their consoles. Atleast they started that with the DS and Wii.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="demonic_85"]

For their sake, it better have a leap in procesing power of the Xbox 360 and PS3 or it will get left behind. Here is what i'd like to see...

Support for 1080p in games preferably with AA

120Gb hard drive or larger

GPU processing: ~27 GP/S (Pixel fill rate), ~50 GT/S (texture fill rate)

Support for tessellation (not expecting a lot of it)

Improved online network without the need for friend codes

WiFi and LAN capabilities out of the box

Nintendo_Ownes7

It might still have Friend Codes, but it might just have one unified FC per profile, like the 3DS, as opposed to different ones per game, like it is with the Wii.

I'm sure it would have just one FC. Because if the 3DS only has one unified FC per Profile then the next home console will definitely have only 1 FC per profile.

Nintendo uses their handhelds as a test market for what they do on their consoles. Atleast they started that with the DS and Wii.

True enough. I always said that people should look at the 3DS for an indication of where the next Nintendo system is headed :D
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E3 just caught my interest.
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If this is true, then I'll buy my first Nintendo console since the N64.

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I'd imagine it will only be slightly more powerful than PS3 and 360 and the next PS and XBOX will end up being a gen ahead of it again, but its fine, HD nintendo games sooner or later are good enough. 110million

That was pretty much my prediction on what they would do this time around -- being at least slightly more powerful than the PS3 would definitely be acceptable. But I just don't see why Nintendo can't play the PS2 role of last gen and simply make slightly weaker hardware of whatever MS and Sony come up with for their next gen consoles.

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#39 110million
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Do you think Zelda will be pushed back and be a Wii 2 launch title? That would suck. That would mean the Wii did not have a single Zelda to itself. :o
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Do you think Zelda will be pushed back and be a Wii 2 launch title? That would suck. That would mean the Wii did not have a single Zelda to itself. :o 110million

I'm perfectly fine with that. We got 2 of the best games ever (SMG1 and SMG2) instead.

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Give me 720P HD resolution, better online, PS3/360 graphics and an internal HDD for the downloadable games and I'm fine.

Don't think that's too much to ask for.

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You'd think they would have made Zelda Skyward Sword a launch title if they were planning on releasing a new console soon. What's another year if it means your new console launches with a killer app?

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As long as they keep with the motion controls only I still won't bother to look at Nintendo. I had my Wii for a very long time and never played it because the motion control crap just aint for me. I finally sold the thing because it was catching dust for like 2 or 3 years. Anyways, it be cool to get Nintendo games in HD graphics that LOOK good, bu as long as the wii-mote stays the controller I'm not touching this console.

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#45 110million
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[QUOTE="110million"]Do you think Zelda will be pushed back and be a Wii 2 launch title? That would suck. That would mean the Wii did not have a single Zelda to itself. :o ChubbyGuy40

I'm perfectly fine with that. We got 2 of the best games ever (SMG1 and SMG2) instead.

Well seeing as the leap from GC to Wii was not monumental, Twilight Princess made the move over pretty easily, but i don't think they could do that kind of quick port with Wii to next-Wii.
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="110million"]Do you think Zelda will be pushed back and be a Wii 2 launch title? That would suck. That would mean the Wii did not have a single Zelda to itself. :o 110million

I'm perfectly fine with that. We got 2 of the best games ever (SMG1 and SMG2) instead.

Well seeing as the leap from GC to Wii was not monumental, Twilight Princess made the move over pretty easily, but i don't think they could do that kind of quick port with Wii to next-Wii.

Who said it'd be a quick port? :P Maybe its a downgrade for Wii :o

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#47 fabz_95
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There are more rumours every day and we all know nothing stays secret in the VG industry for long so I wouldn't be surprised if it were true. As I've said before, I'm happy with the current generation but I love the hype and excitement that comes about with system announcements so I'm quite pleased with the news.
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Lol if it isn't more powerful than the 360 or PS3 then Nintendo will get raped by the 720, PS4. I think that Nintendo will deliver though, I don't think it willbeat 720 or PS4 in graphics but I do think that it will be able to play multiplat games unlike the wii

Sledgehammer117

But by the time those systems come out Nintendo will already be halfway into the gen for it to matter. Because Microsoft said they will not release a new console until 2015 and Sony said something similar so that is a 3 year headstart for Nintendo.

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#49 laus_basic
Member since 2002 • 8300 Posts

Hearing as powerful or more than the PS3.

It better not be as powerful as the 360/PS3 or it's gonna be the same problem when Sony's and Microsoft's next consoles come out. It's an absolute must they release something more powerful than the current-gen, something only equal just won't cut it. Of course when the time comes for the PS4 and Xbox720, those will most likely beat it in power but atleast it wouldn't be a gen behind.

I fear Nintendo will only settle for something equal tho or if it's more powerful it won't be by much. You'd think they'd learn after so many times but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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#50 web966
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Its about damn time