The Legend of Zelda, Nintendo Only Makes Masterpieces

Ryan telling the truth again.

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 wouldn't be an abomination.

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 wouldn't an abomination.

Thefatness16

Brand/Nostalgia scores. If critics weren't so inconsistent when it came to the concept of rehashing, everything after MM would not be rated so highly.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77

But they are, especially Wind Waker:|

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 would be an abomination.

Thefatness16

Well what do you know... :P

Not all Zeldas are masterpieces, but most are still pretty damn good.

Brand/Nostalgia scores. If critics weren't so inconsistent when it came to the concept of rehashing, everything after MM would not be rated so highly.

GD1551

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

Wouldn't call a game a masterpiece based off of metacritc score(not saying Zelda isn't good). If that were the case Halo 4 would be an abomination.

nameless12345

Well what do you know... :P

Halo 4 is awful.

Easily the worst game I played last year, and I'm including several IOS games. It's easily the most disgraceful sequel I've ever played, that throws out the core foundation of what it was built upon.

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

How can you judge taste objectively?

He could consider Big Rigs or Faces of Evil his top game and you still cound't judge his taste "objectively"...

(btw, you hating on WW & SS makes me think you do have a prejudice against good games...)

This thread hasn't reached second page yet and it's already turning to sh*t.

I should be abonding the thread, but yet I'm still here. :(

EDIT: oh look second page.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

Seriously? :|

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? WiiCubeM1

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

Ryan telling the truth again.

Michael0134567

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

As much as I like WW and SS, I agree with darklink in that they aren't masterpieces. Both games definitely had their issues.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Wind Waker a masterpiece? Skyward Sword a masterpiece? Get the f*ck out. DarkLink77

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Ryan telling the truth again.

RyanShazam

The dungeons where better than any of the other Zelda games.spike6958

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? DarkLink77

LOLZZ YOU MAD BRO! :lol:

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

WiiCubeM1

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Classic System Wars logic, right here.

BrunoBRS

They're really well received. But they're not masterpieces by any stretch of the imagination. At least the ones that came after the N64 Zeldas

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="RyanShazam"]Ocarina of Time: 99 Majora's Mask: 95 Windwaker: 96 Twilight Princess: 95 Skyward Sword: 93 With Zelda U coming out in the next few years, Nintendo is bound to create another Masterpiece. Will The Legend of Zelda continue to silver on all aspects or will Nintendo drop the ball with this one? dream431ca

LOLZZ YOU MAD BRO! :lol:

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.DarkLink77

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="spike6958"] No, you're getting me and you confused. Just because you can't enjoy amazing games, doesn't mean there bad, just means you are an idiot.spike6958

Nah wind Waker probably did have the weakest dungeons in the series. I don't think any of them were bad, just not as good as some other duneons in other Zelda games.

Best story? One of the best I'd agree, although I'd give the absolute best to Majora's Mask

Art design and music? Maybe, I dunno.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] good thing there are no objective standards of measurements and you're talking out of your ass. game is incredibly well received, and no amount of BS talk about "objective measures" will change it.nameless12345

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

[QUOTE="spike6958"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] If you can enjoy lame dungeons and and even lamer fetch quest, more power to you. I can't because I actually have standards for Zelda games.DJ-Lafleur

Nah wind Waker probably did have the weakest dungeons in the series. I don't think any of them were bad, just not as good as some other duneons in other Zelda games.

Best story? One of the best I'd agree, although I'd give the absolute best to Majora's Mask

Art design and music? Maybe, I dunno.

Yup, and only masterpieces win Game of the Year. That's why you never see any PC games take home the prize; they're too busy being ****ty and not fun.Drasonak

Yup, and only masterpieces win Game of the Year. That's why you never see any PC games take home the prize; they're too busy being ****ty and not fun.Drasonak

Lay off the shrooms dude, seriously :(

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.DarkLink77

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

And who exactly has the authority to critique objectively?

Those who played a lot of games?

That alone doesn't make them good reviewers per-se and they are still prone to subjectivity and personal opinions.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They're not masterpieces by any objective standard of measurement. Good games? Sure. Masterpieces? Come on now.DarkLink77

Well, I haven't played Wind Waker in over 10 years, so I couldn't give you my opinion on it without it being muddled, but Skyward Sword was damn good.

Damn good.

And, just for future reference, that is coming from someone who doesn't enjoy the Zelda games very much.

No, no.

I know what you're referring to, but people seem to always assume the dungeon design was best in games like Ocarina, even though it's puzzles were matched and beaten in later games (and, personally, the best dungeon design was Majora's Mask, but it went a little far on occasion).

And, honestly, I thought you hated Twilight. I could have sworn you said that at some point in the past, but I probably just misread a quote.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Um.. yes there is. You can judge game design on an objective standard, same way you can writing or art. You just have to separate what you like from what is good on its own merits.DarkLink77

But what about art that is "above criticism" ? ;)

Game design judgement is prone to subjectivity, period.

Of course you can point out some "design flaws" and such, but what is a flaw in one man's eyes is a good thing in another one's.

There simply is no "universal standard" by which games would be rated other than "let's compare this to what already exists" or "do I have fun with it".

WW is my favorite Zelda. It is the Zelda game that tried to be different. It wasn't OoT again. Now all Zelda games feel like OoT rehashed. Still love the series though.