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#1 Ghosts4ever
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The only difference is, Half life in 2004 was best of all 3. in 2020 it will be worst of all 3. even worse, back in 2004 if someone told me 15 years later. new installment in same franchise will release but Half life would be worse of all 3 even worse than Halo and i would laugh in his face.

but i see its happening.

what do you think? lets discuss.

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#2  Edited By Macutchi
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you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

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#3  Edited By pelvist
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HL: Alyx looks great though. It only looks bad to you because you don't own a capable PC and VR device and thats just not fair!

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#4 Ghosts4ever
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@pelvist said:

HL: Alyx looks great though. It only looks bad to you because you don't own a capable PC and VR device and thats just not fair!

Hands floating in air lol. thats your typical indie VR game.

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#5 Juub1990
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@Macutchi: Seriously. Kid has a dozen best game ever(shooters) and worst game ever(everything else). Nothing in between.

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#6 Ghosts4ever
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@Juub1990 said:

@Macutchi: Seriously. Kid has a dozen best game ever(shooters) and worst game ever(everything else). Nothing in between.

there is. star wars jedi fallen order is pretty good. but not masterpeice. best SW game for sure because previous ones are bad.

also playing shenmue 3 and its ok.

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#7 Vaeh
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Never ever compare PC game with console ports.

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#9  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@vaeh said:

Never ever compare PC game with console ports.

lol that so called "PC" game is some VR crap.

Doom Eternal on other hand is real PC FPS.

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#10 Vaeh
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@ghosts4ever said:
@vaeh said:

Never ever compare PC game with console ports.

lol that so called "PC" game is some VR crap.

Doom Eternal on other hand is real PC FPS.

Couldn't care less about Doom. More interested in indie garbage.

Just happy Valve is making single player games again.

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#11 Archangel3371
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I’m most hyped for Halo: Infinite followed by Doom Eternal. Will pass on Half-Life Alyx.

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@Macutchi: He is simple so forgive him

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*cough*

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#14 Ghosts4ever
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@vaeh: thats not proper SP game if 99% of PCgamers cant play. Its anti consumer policy.

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#15 Cloud_imperium
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2004: People crying about Steam to play Half Life

2020: People crying about VR to play Half Life

Source 2 is open source platform. Sooner or later someone will release VR less modded version of it.

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#16 Cloud_imperium
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Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines also came out in 2004.

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#17 Vaeh
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@ghosts4ever: Many people didn't play Half-Life 2 until later on when hardware was cheaper.

Every VR headset supports this game. The cheapest ones are about 200 bucks.

The thing is you're not interested in VR. Already calling it the worst game.

Steam is heaven of VR games especially FPS.

Medal of Honor is also making its return in 2020 via VR installment.

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#18 Ghosts4ever
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@Cloud_imperium said:

2004: People crying about Steam to play Half Life

2020: People crying about VR to play Half Life

Source 2 is open source platform. Sooner or later someone will release VR less modded version of it.

you never need to buy steam. you need to make free account then buy HL2 there.

now you need to buy expensive overpriced VR which is not worth a damn. thats the thing.

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#19 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@Archangel3371 said:

I’m most hyped for Halo: Infinite followed by Doom Eternal. Will pass on Half-Life Alyx.

I'm going with Archangel3371 on this path as well. Halo: Infinite & Doom Eternal all the way.

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#20 PinkRibbonScars
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>being more excited for a 343 Industries Halo over a VR f***ing Half Life.

Am I in bizarro world? Or are the people passing on Alyx just too poor to buy a VR set up?

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@ghosts4ever said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

2004: People crying about Steam to play Half Life

2020: People crying about VR to play Half Life

Source 2 is open source platform. Sooner or later someone will release VR less modded version of it.

you never need to buy steam. you need to make free account then buy HL2 there.

now you need to buy expensive overpriced VR which is not worth a damn. thats the thing.

In 2004 it was a CPU overhead cost.

In 2020 it will be a monetary cost.

For real tho - I remember being quite upset about Steam when I bought HL2. It was a time when I would close all my programs just to give my computer every advantage to play a game well. Also Steam was pretty bad at launch.

Now I'm just thinking: 'Eh I was interested in VR anyway, I guess it's a good time to jump in'.

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#22 Ghosts4ever
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@pinkribbonscars said:

>being more excited for a 343 Industries Halo over a VR f***ing Half Life.

Am I in bizarro world? Or are the people passing on Alyx just too poor to buy a VR set up?

VR is stupid gimmick only work in theme park for tickets.

Im no fan of Halo but infinite will certainly better than HL alyx.

now Doom Eternal. thats out of the world.

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#23 warmblur
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History also repeated in 2017 and 2005

  • 2017 RE7/ 2005 RE4
  • 2017 COD WW2/ 2005 COD2
  • 2017 Sniper Elite 4/ 2005 Sniper Elite
  • 2017 Battlefront 2/ 2005 Battlefront 2

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#24 Ghosts4ever
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@pyro1245 said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

2004: People crying about Steam to play Half Life

2020: People crying about VR to play Half Life

Source 2 is open source platform. Sooner or later someone will release VR less modded version of it.

you never need to buy steam. you need to make free account then buy HL2 there.

now you need to buy expensive overpriced VR which is not worth a damn. thats the thing.

In 2004 it was a CPU overhead cost.

In 2020 it will be a monetary cost.

For real tho - I remember being quite upset about Steam when I bought HL2. It was a time when I would close all my programs just to give my computer every advantage to play a game well. Also Steam was pretty bad at launch.

Now I'm just thinking: 'Eh I was interested in VR anyway, I guess it's a good time to jump in'.

you upgrade GPU and play any other game on high.

you buy VR and play this so called "Half life" and thats it.

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@pinkribbonscars said:

>being more excited for a 343 Industries Halo over a VR f***ing Half Life.

Am I in bizarro world? Or are the people passing on Alyx just too poor to buy a VR set up?

I guess it really depends how well it works on the budget VR options.

Still. Any VR headset is a pretty significant cost to play one game. Even the Oculus Quest is $400 USD

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@ghosts4ever said:
@pyro1245 said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@Cloud_imperium said:

2004: People crying about Steam to play Half Life

2020: People crying about VR to play Half Life

Source 2 is open source platform. Sooner or later someone will release VR less modded version of it.

you never need to buy steam. you need to make free account then buy HL2 there.

now you need to buy expensive overpriced VR which is not worth a damn. thats the thing.

In 2004 it was a CPU overhead cost.

In 2020 it will be a monetary cost.

For real tho - I remember being quite upset about Steam when I bought HL2. It was a time when I would close all my programs just to give my computer every advantage to play a game well. Also Steam was pretty bad at launch.

Now I'm just thinking: 'Eh I was interested in VR anyway, I guess it's a good time to jump in'.

you upgrade GPU and play any other game on high.

you buy VR and play this so called "Half life" and thats it.

Haha. Well there are at least a handful of interesting VR experiences, both gaming and non-gaming.

I get what you're saying tho - it's not a great value proposition.

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MGS3 was the best game of 2004.

Hopefully a remake comes out next year with those updated graphics and cutscenes from the pachinko machines.

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@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Nailed it.

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#29 R4gn4r0k
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@pelvist: Ghosts can't pirate a Valve Index VR kit.

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#30 cainetao11
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Lol lighten the fvck up dude. If so much is bad why even bother with gaming?

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@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Pretty much. Dudes a moron with a trash PC who settles for piracy.

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#33 dxmcat
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I find it hilarious how halo looks the same :D

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@dagubot said:
@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Pretty much. Dudes a moron with a trash PC who settles for piracy.

and my "trash" PC runs Metro Exodus on ultra.

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#35 dagubot
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@ghosts4ever said:
@dagubot said:
@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Pretty much. Dudes a moron with a trash PC who settles for piracy.

and my "trash" PC runs Metro Exodus on ultra.

You sound upset because you're a PC peasant with your setup...lol.

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#36 Ghosts4ever
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@dagubot said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@dagubot said:
@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Pretty much. Dudes a moron with a trash PC who settles for piracy.

and my "trash" PC runs Metro Exodus on ultra.

You sound upset because you're a PC peasant with your setup...lol.

really? its all depend on budget. my range is in like that.

otherwise i will upgrade it soon before Doom Eternal.

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#37 dagubot
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@ghosts4ever said:
@dagubot said:
@ghosts4ever said:
@dagubot said:
@Macutchi said:

you don't "see it happening," you wildly speculate. you make your mind up where a game sits on your binary scale of amazing or trash based off a single trailer months or years in advance of a game's release. that's history repeating itself

Pretty much. Dudes a moron with a trash PC who settles for piracy.

and my "trash" PC runs Metro Exodus on ultra.

You sound upset because you're a PC peasant with your setup...lol.

really? its all depend on budget. my range is in like that.

otherwise i will upgrade it soon before Doom Eternal.

Low budget for you then huh? Guess you're not in the best position financially; makes sense. Explains why you pirate games...lol.

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#38  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@dagubot said:

Explains why you pirate games...lol.

where this all came from?

beside my PC is not low budget. its just more than budget that still give best possible performance it can do.

low budget is something like 3rd gen i7, gtx 1050 ti and 8 gb ram. thats called budgeted PC and that run most games on low to medium.

beside we are not hardware wars. so why does this matter who own what?

If any computer is running Star wars and Metro on ultra. its no way called low tier PC.

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#39 dagubot
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@ghosts4ever said:
@dagubot said:

Explains why you pirate games...lol.

where this all came from?

beside my PC is not low budget. its just more than budget that still give best possible performance it can do.

low budget is something like 3rd gen i7, gtx 1050 ti and 8 gb ram. thats called budgeted PC and that run most games on low to medium.

beside we are not hardware wars. so why does this matter who own what?

If any computer is running Star wars and Metro on ultra. its no way called low tier PC.

Whatever helps you sleep at night brother ;)

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I wish I had a great PC and index so I could play HL properly. By far the most interesting of the three imo. I'm sure the other two will be competent. But let's face it, they will just be more of the same.

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#41 Gatygun
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Doom is already out, halo has 20 versions by now nobody cares totally not pc gamers and half life is some vr cash cow.

Didn't see how its repeating.

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#42 Metallic_Blade
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2004: You still owned your PC games.

2020: Your game access is controlled by some company. You don't own them anymore.

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#43 uninspiredcup
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@Metallic_Blade said:

2004: You still owned your PC games.

2020: Your game access is controlled by some company. You don't own them anymore.

Technically they used CD-KEYS which were actually more limiting than Steam, unless you used illicit means.

This is kind of a fallacy.

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@Gatygun said:

Doom is already out, halo has 20 versions by now nobody cares totally not pc gamers and half life is some vr cash cow.

Didn't see how its repeating.

Pwnt! LOL Halo Reach is #1 on Steam.

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#45 Jag85
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@uninspiredcup: How are CD keys more limiting than Steam?

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#46 uninspiredcup
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@Jag85: Steam family sharing allows you to share an entire account, in my case 1000+ games at a click. If its within the same house-hold you can directly stream to other computer or other devices with no install, as well as use remote play for to make local MP games work online.

Trading games was never really a PC thing as typically games ran from the hard-drive then from the CD/DVD. In many cases, even if a CD-key was bypassed the online portion would still be blocked off.

As to the argument of "not owning games", speaking from a personal perspective most of my old games physically owned are long, long gone. In a trashcan or god knows where. If anything Digital Gaming has helped bring these older titles back to a more mainstream audience and keep them relevant on a store-front than the obscurity they had once been relegated to, those games I bought on Steam 15 years ago and still quite happily there, physical ones, nope? Not a clue where they all fucked off too.

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#47  Edited By lundy86_4  Online
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@Jag85: They started to implement limited uses, forcing you to contact the companies for more installations across systems. PCs essentially count as "new" to many DRM systems back in the day, once you upgraded a few parts.

Steam has games tied to your account, as well as "Family Share" as cup stated above. Family share is solely limited to those you wish to share with, so long as they have Steam (duh.)

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#48  Edited By Ghosts4ever
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@Metallic_Blade said:

2004: You still owned your PC games.

2020: Your game access is controlled by some company. You don't own them anymore.

Except the fact that Halo infinite will be best in series considering how ambitious it is for a Halo game.

Doom Eternal will be easily best in series knowing adding everything to series and having most diverse setting in Doom series and not just set on one location (earth or mars).

while this new Half life will be worst in series.

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#49 Litchie
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@ghosts4ever said:

DOOM became filled with happy colors and got a cluttered HUD.

Half-Life lost arms and can't be played unless you're rich.

Masterchief became a lighter green.

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#50 Ghosts4ever
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@Litchie said:
@ghosts4ever said:

DOOM became filled with happy colors and got a cluttered HUD.

Half-Life lost arms and can't be played unless you're rich.

Masterchief became a lighter green.

this is awkward moment where Halo looks better than Half life.

I never imagine even for a second it would happen.