The amount of shovelware on Steam is astounding

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#51 Edited by lamprey263 (36143 posts) -

not that I make a habit out of listening to Jim Sterling (though I should) he's had a lot to say about Steam being such a mess, and he's talked about in past how Steam has issues with publishing anything to the point that shit just keeps coming out even if it's utter rubbish, and it's gotten to a point where in 2016 like half the games on the store released that year, and publishers will do things like re-release the games they've already released just to get the games on the store's front page again

that being said, it's not hard to find quality titles on Steam, it seems that more often the shittiest games get most of their support from YouTubers who like to seek out the shitty games to play just to tear them apart, I've also heard that it's a smarter strategy on YouTube to talk about games people know very little about as people are more curious to know about those games from them than they are about the really popular ones, so in some ways those that bring attention for these horrible games need those horrible games to keep their channels flourishing

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#52 Posted by pook99 (862 posts) -

Steam just needs better search filters to alleviate this problem. If you could click a bunch of tags to ignore completely, then having to wade through pages of garbage when looking for games would not be an issue. Personally I would love to just never have to see any game labeled with:

Early access

Visual Novel

Walking simulator

MMO

to name a few.

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#53 Posted by mojito1988 (3637 posts) -

The amount of amazing games on steam is also quite astonishing.

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#54 Edited by locus-solus (1119 posts) -

Steam need human beings to approve and moderate game's release on there store 4200+ games were released in 2016 and 2017 has been worse. this chart is out of date from december 2016 but it'll give you a idea how bad the quality control is

https://www.vg247.com/2016/12/01/around-40-of-games-on-steam-were-released-in-2016/

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#55 Posted by PopGotcha (716 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

"fetish shaming".... LUL WOT

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#56 Posted by appariti0n (2783 posts) -

@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

Dude, bro, I totally feel ya.

Fans of anime have small biceps and never lift, amirite?

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#57 Posted by schu (10051 posts) -

i think its a necessary evil for a relatively open platform...the truth is standards for what constitutes a good game have gone way up and even games which would have been acceptable a decade ago feel like shovelware...gotta look into the things you purchase a little or accept the gamble...if a game is literally a scam and enough people complain something will be done

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#58 Posted by schu (10051 posts) -

@appariti0n: don't you have an anime character to woo on your handheld? 🤡😚

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#59 Posted by appariti0n (2783 posts) -

@schu: Nah, handhelds are for kids. I've taken it one step further.

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#60 Posted by ronvalencia (28063 posts) -

@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

Japanese anime porn could be contributing to Japan's extinction level birth rates.

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#61 Posted by PinkAnimal (2380 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

Japanese anime porn could be contributing to Japan's extinction level birth rates.

But what explains the extinction level rates of your neurons though?

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#62 Posted by demi0227_basic (1940 posts) -

@popgotcha said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

"fetish shaming".... LUL WOT

lol...right? Input whatever word you want, and follow it with "shaming" and people think that creates a wall where you can't be mocked. I shame the shit out of those people!

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#63 Posted by demi0227_basic (1940 posts) -

@appariti0n said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

Dude, bro, I totally feel ya.

Fans of anime have small biceps and never lift, amirite?

I don't know that that's necessary. I just imagine that, if you are sexually healthy, you don't need weird japanese lonely guy games to get off. I'm assuming the vast majority of consumers in this "genre," if I can call it that, are grossly overweight, don't work much, and are generally less productive and happy. If they worked on themselves and moderated their gaming to healthy levels, I think they wouldn't need those "games."

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#64 Posted by demi0227_basic (1940 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

Japanese anime porn could be contributing to Japan's extinction level birth rates.

Hahaha! Damn it...that makes me wonder. There's gotta be some kind of literature on this phenomenon, right? Between this and the sex robots...I think it's because they have such tiny dicks (the Japanese). Maybe that creates low esteem, which keeps these people from getting real ladies cause they don't have any redeeming qualities. Well...math. ;)

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#65 Posted by demi0227_basic (1940 posts) -

@pinkanimal said:
@ronvalencia said:
@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

Japanese anime porn could be contributing to Japan's extinction level birth rates.

But what explains the extinction level rates of your neurons though?

Are you offended? What, are you Japanese and have to get these "games" to get off because you can't get any irl?

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#66 Posted by PinkAnimal (2380 posts) -

@demi0227_basic said:
@pinkanimal said:
@ronvalencia said:
@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

Japanese anime porn could be contributing to Japan's extinction level birth rates.

But what explains the extinction level rates of your neurons though?

Are you offended? What, are you Japanese and have to get these "games" to get off because you can't get any irl?

Not offended. Only that his conclusion following that premise is beyond moronic.

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#67 Posted by appariti0n (2783 posts) -

@demi0227_basic: Preach it brah. You tell those non-vanilla losers how to live their lives by posting your assumptions in system wars!

Protip: if you have to bring up working out and getting laid on a video game forum, you're probably suffering from low self esteem. I would suggest doing something about that before it becomes a bigger issue in your life.

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#68 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (25376 posts) -

@appariti0n said:

@demi0227_basic: Preach it brah. You tell those non-vanilla losers how to live their lives by posting your assumptions in system wars!

Protip: if you have to bring up working out and getting laid on a video game forum, you're probably suffering from low self esteem. I would suggest doing something about that before it becomes a bigger issue in your life.

Too late! Local meathead walks into work shaming everyone eating lunch. He tells them to go get laid instead, because it makes them look like a real man. Even the women.

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#69 Posted by Phazevariance (12334 posts) -

@demi0227_basic said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

Oh did I hurt your feelings? Sorry guy. I wasn't aware I was fetish "shaming." I was making fun of horny guys that jerk it to weird japanese game porn. I hope that makes you feel better. Lighten up and get a sense of humor. If that describes you, fine. I'm not "shaming" you. I'm just making fun of you. Or you don't get those games. In which case I'm making fun of people that aren't you. Either way, relax.

It's funny that you have some naked dweeb in your avatar picture and sit there making fun of people for not working out. DudeBro!

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#70 Edited by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

@demi0227_basic said:
@popgotcha said:
@MBirdy88 said:
@demi0227_basic said:

The only thing I find disturbing is all the hentai type crap that floods the store. During the Steam Summer sale, at least. It blew my mind how many lonely little losers that can't get laid there must be out there. Guys need to hit the gym a little more during their 20+hrs a week gaming, and get some social skills. Then they can have a real relationship.

Haha...anyways...yeah. Lot's of tiny little baby games on steam.

That's some great fetish shaming.... makes you look like a real man!

"fetish shaming".... LUL WOT

lol...right? Input whatever word you want, and follow it with "shaming" and people think that creates a wall where you can't be mocked. I shame the shit out of those people!

Hah easy to provoke.. too easy... as if I have a horse in this race, I just poked the bear for a response... and the result was as expected

Haha my inbox lit up for this one, the whole concept of a fetish is abnormal, thats the whole point.

I can take the piss of the meat head in your profile pic... is that a wrestler or yourself being... you.... either way horses for courses.

People "get off" to far worse things that fantasy anime chicks, it's as if the human race's imagination plays a big part in fantasies/fetishes who would of thought!? (even people in relationships! *GASP*).

Dude Bro Code though bro? Pump Iron, f*ck blonde, play xbox ... anything else is "Teh gay".

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#71 Posted by ShadowDeathX (11690 posts) -

The free market is the best QA measure. Let people buy what they want to buy. Research your potential purchase before you actually buy it. Easy.... you should be doing that with anything.

We don't need a "regulatory" body defining what is good or not good for us.

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#72 Posted by appariti0n (2783 posts) -

@MBirdy88: Don't forget, "take roids".

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#73 Posted by sailor232 (6880 posts) -

Some of those "garbage" games are enjoyable for certain people. Everyone has different tastes and those little $1 games can be seen as amazing value if even played for only 20 minutes.

Steam automatically recommends games based on what you have played in the past, you can even change these parameters to your liking to exclude or include certain genres, so if you only play big AAA games then your more than likely only going to have those big release AAA games fill the store front for you. It will get to the point where you will have to legitimately look for "trash" to see it.

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#74 Edited by appariti0n (2783 posts) -

@sailor232 said:

Some of those "garbage" games are enjoyable for certain people. Everyone has different tastes and those little $1 games can be seen as amazing value if even played for only 20 minutes.

Steam automatically recommends games based on what you have played in the past, you can even change these parameters to your liking to exclude or include certain genres, so if you only play big AAA games then your more than likely only going to have those big release AAA games fill the store front for you. It will get to the point where you will have to legitimately look for "trash" to see it.

Hey that's a valid point!

@demi0227_basic y u getting so many horny japanese wank games come up in your list? :P

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#75 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3244 posts) -

If this was NeoGaf, this thread would be a graveyard. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing that it's not.

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#76 Edited by BluFalconUltra (459 posts) -

Most indies are shovel ware and that is all Steam is good for.

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#77 Posted by SXSS (23 posts) -

@AzatiS: I agree with you Games are super easy to find just read various comments, I think its saved me many times. At the same time idk why people complain about games they buy on steam most of them give refund if under 2 hours game play which imo is more than enough time to figure out if a game is good or not. People will cry about misinformation and many other things yet they forget how easy it is now-a-days to receive there money back from a deceiving game.

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#78 Posted by AzatiS (14969 posts) -

@sxss said:

@AzatiS: I agree with you Games are super easy to find just read various comments, I think its saved me many times. At the same time idk why people complain about games they buy on steam most of them give refund if under 2 hours game play which imo is more than enough time to figure out if a game is good or not. People will cry about misinformation and many other things yet they forget how easy it is now-a-days to receive there money back from a deceiving game.

Well said.

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#79 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@sxss said:

@AzatiS: I agree with you Games are super easy to find just read various comments, I think its saved me many times. At the same time idk why people complain about games they buy on steam most of them give refund if under 2 hours game play which imo is more than enough time to figure out if a game is good or not. People will cry about misinformation and many other things yet they forget how easy it is now-a-days to receive there money back from a deceiving game.

Cause time is money, and searching through a pile of shit to find a good co-op game is annoying. That shit is a joke. Cant believe fuckin fanboys defend that shit. So sad. Fanboys will defend anything nowadays.

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#80 Edited by AzatiS (14969 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:
@sxss said:

@AzatiS: I agree with you Games are super easy to find just read various comments, I think its saved me many times. At the same time idk why people complain about games they buy on steam most of them give refund if under 2 hours game play which imo is more than enough time to figure out if a game is good or not. People will cry about misinformation and many other things yet they forget how easy it is now-a-days to receive there money back from a deceiving game.

Cause time is money, and searching through a pile of shit to find a good co-op game is annoying. That shit is a joke. Cant believe fuckin fanboys defend that shit. So sad. Fanboys will defend anything nowadays.

Shovelware speaking, Wii are fanboys

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#81 Posted by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@AzatiS: One simply cant compare to the amount of shovelware on Steam. Its disgusting and indefensible.

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#82 Posted by SOedipus (11513 posts) -

It's pretty bad. I rarely browse anymore.

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#83 Edited by Sancho_Panzer (814 posts) -

I think of that stuff as lemonade stands - sometimes your dollar gets you something cool and refreshing, sometimes you get a plastic cup of nastiness, but it's all pretty harmless at worst. Nobody's going to confuse those kinds of games with AAA's accidentally, and even then, there's always refunds. With that said, more filters definitely wouldn't hurt.

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#84 Edited by AzatiS (14969 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

@AzatiS: One simply cant compare to the amount of shovelware on Steam. Its disgusting and indefensible.

True. Same for the amount of AAAs and great games Steam offers vs a single console. Its disgusting and indefensible as well to say otherwise. Wii trust Steam

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#85 Posted by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@AzatiS: As long as my time isnt wasted, im good.

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#86 Posted by AzatiS (14969 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

@AzatiS: As long as my time isnt wasted, im good.

There are thousands of reasons in STEAM for your time to not be wasted. Unlike other that you dont even have to time to waste on them because lacking games in general. Youre in the right spot.

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#87 Edited by iandizion713 (16025 posts) -

@AzatiS: They just need to clean up that shovelware. The amount is massive and its annoying trying to search for stuff. Then Steam would be more fun. They need to be like Nintendo. Clean that shit up, regulate.

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#88 Posted by lrdfancypants (3850 posts) -

A sucker is born everyday.

I don't think shovelware is the problem in this particular scenario.

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#89 Edited by AzatiS (14969 posts) -

@iandizion713 said:

@AzatiS: They just need to clean up that shovelware. The amount is massive and its annoying trying to search for stuff. Then Steam would be more fun. They need to be like Nintendo. Clean that shit up, regulate.

They dont need to clean nothing. Youll bypass every shovelware like you did with Wii and problem solved. Also searching games with positive reviews from users is easier than ever in STEAM. When you see something with overwhelming positive or very positive user feedback with tens of thousands of users, you cant go wrong there.

Easy peasy.

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#90 Edited by xantufrog (11513 posts) -

One the one hand, I agree that there is mountains of crap there. On the other hand, I don't feel like it's been an impediment to my finding good games. I also like to take a sift through the shovelware sometimes to see if there are hidden gems that catch my eye. Over the years, some of my favorite games have been obscure, small budget things I've grabbed off the shelf on a whim

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#91 Posted by sayyy-gaa (5847 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Valve can do a significantly better job with the store. But Valve shouldn't say no to any of the games being produced.

It's on the consumer to do a bit of research and I have no little to no sympathy for gamers of all things. Between google, twitch, youtube, metacritic, opencritic, neogaf, reddit, so many individual discords for certain genres of video games, you can wade through the shit to find the gems.

Aren't those two successive thoughts diametrically opposed?

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#92 Edited by PraetorianMan (1971 posts) -

@GarGx1: @Litchie: @MrYaotubo: @dxmcat:

Do you guys really not get how this can be/is a huge problem for actual game developers?

Sure, the customer can ignore it all. In that process they can also ignore actual games with effort put into them that get buried by early access, zombie survival asset flips.

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#93 Posted by PraetorianMan (1971 posts) -

@schu: I have some ideas for standards Valve can implement.

1. The game has to actually have a working .exe file.

2. The game must primarily consist of original work, not majority store bought assets.

3. The game must not contain any stolen or plagiarized assets.

4. The game must meet some minimal performance standards for its listed minimum computer specs.

5. The game must have some significant difference between it and other games sold by the same "developer". As in not reselling the exact same game again as a sequel.

There, those 5 things will easily remove at least 80% of the bullshit

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#94 Posted by GarGx1 (10928 posts) -

@PraetorianMan: Of course it's an issue, I'm not denying that but we do have tools that can help protect us (the consumer), i.e. Steam refunds and the choice not buy something that looks rough.

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#95 Posted by SXSS (23 posts) -

@GarGx1: Yeh point will be made a billion times on the forum about refunds but people are too lazy to apply for that apparently its TOO much work for there small brain probably.

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#96 Edited by BassMan (10378 posts) -

Most of what I see on the Steam Store is relevant to what I am interested in. I am sure there are plenty of crap games on Steam, but they are not really cluttering my store page.

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#97 Posted by Yams1980 (3513 posts) -

the low quality and quantity reminds me of a similar name called Shareware. Lots of games in the 1990s were just given out free like on cds, or BBS services and later on websites when the internet got moving. And just like shovelware, they were mostly all garbage. Only difference is the games were free to play and some of the game was locked or missing that could be bought later.

With the steam service with millions of people, its given these scam artists and garbage developers a place to put their games up to try to suck a few dollars from people for their unplayable games.

I think steam should delete these games and clean up their catalog, its really poopy having low quality stinking up the higher quality things.

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#98 Edited by TwentyKeks (7 posts) -

I seriously hope some cosmic tragedy befalls Valve so a new set of source curators can take their place with new platforms.

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#99 Edited by TwentyKeks (7 posts) -

@appariti0n said:

@schu: Nah, handhelds are for kids. I've taken it one step further.

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#100 Posted by djoffer (1376 posts) -

Yeah if only steam had a no question asked refund policy, where you can try the game for hours and then refund imo if it's crap! Ohh wait....