The 360 cpu is weak

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

Umm, in case you didn't know, BOTH the Xenon and Cell are extremely weak compared to standard desktop processors.

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp. That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful. The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

perfect_chao

I was going to read that crap you just posted but i found one of your other topics right above this one and it screams FANBOY.

360 hard drives milk the lems
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25410964Citizen_Zero

You and the industry insiders may say "Weak"

But me and M$ reps say "Efficient"

It's all PR, but yeah, I do wish it were a bit better, but the GPU is good.

Link ?Felous1

[QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?imprezawrx500

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200+ or better than even an Athlon XP 2800+ CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"]I was going to read that crap you just posted but i found one of your other topics right above this one and it screams FANBOY.

360 hard drives milk the lems
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25410964lilrush

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Link ?Nagidar

Cell and Xenon

For those who do not want to click the link:

"Both the 360 and PS3’s CPUs are heavily stripped down compared to what most of us are probably using on our desktop computers to view this article. Both consoles are labeled as 3.2GHZ, but they don’t offer performance comparable to that of a typical Athlon 64 3200 or better than even an Athlon XP 2800 CPU. The CPUs inside the Xbox 360 and PS3 are “In-Order Execution” CPUs with narrow execution cores, whereas what we use on our computers are  “Out-of-Order Execution” CPUs with wider execution cores."

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp. That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful. The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?coltonnaslund

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

Not for gaming it doesnt .  The 360 tri core proessor is about equielvent to a top of the line duel core for the process of gaming.  And the lack of out of order code only makes it more difficult and cheaper not less powerful.

well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?coltonnaslund

Does it?  Hell VF5 already looks better then almost anything i own on my 360.  At least better then any fighting game.  And looking at videos of Lair it looks supeiror to anything on my 360 period.

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?XTy

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

[QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Citizen_Zero

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Being a 360 launch owner, I don't even believe that. I bought Kameo, that stank. PD0? Ugly. Gun? Tony Hawk? Quake? Call of Duty? Sorry man, they were alright, but nothing special. I don't know what your talking about, but I do know that no system should be judged at a launch, even the hated PS3. Compare Gears to 360 launch games...

Look at XboxXTy

[QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Citizen_Zero

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Most Xbox 360 launch titles look nowhere even half as good as PS3 launch titles sorry thats a fact.  The only decent games the 360 launched with were Cod2, Kameo and PDZ0.  Cod2 looks far worse then the PS3 version of Cod3. Kameo at best may look as good as Genji and REFOM is far superior to PDZ0.  What other great 360 games lauanched Gun and THAWL?  Seriously the 360 launched wiht many last gen ports the PS3 launched with nothing worse then 360 ports. 

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

imprezawrx500

There weak on purpose.

1. To save money

2. The cpu in a game console doesn't have to do as much as one in a desktop pc.

3. The cpu in a console isn't the most important thing, gpu more important bandwidth, ram are all more important.

Thats not to say it's not important but its not as much of a necessity as it is with desktop gaming pc's. A console doesn't have to have a state of the art cpu or gpu to be a good console or to have good graphics because it doesn't have to deal with as much as a desktop pc.

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Billyhyw

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Most Xbox 360 launch titles look nowhere even half as good as PS3 launch titles sorry thats a fact. The only decent games the 360 launched with were Cod2, Kameo and PDZ0. Cod2 looks far worse then the PS3 version of Cod3. Kameo at best may look as good as Genjiand REFOM is far superior to PDZ0. What other great 360 games lauanched Gun and THAWL? Seriously the 360 launched wiht many last gen ports the PS3 launched with nothing worse then 360 ports.

[QUOTE="XTy"]Look at XboxFelous1

M$, XNA, and Similar architectures FTW.

M$ bends over backwards to help make sure their system and PC games usually mesh, usually.
Still, the talent at infinity ward needs to be mentioned.

infinity ward hasn't made a ps3 game.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?m3Boarder32

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Most Xbox 360 launch titles look nowhere even half as good as PS3 launch titles sorry thats a fact. The only decent games the 360 launched with were Cod2, Kameo and PDZ0. Cod2 looks far worse then the PS3 version of Cod3. Kameo at best may look as good as Genjiand REFOM is far superior to PDZ0. What other great 360 games lauanched Gun and THAWL? Seriously the 360 launched wiht many last gen ports the PS3 launched with nothing worse then 360 ports.

Um no they dont. Genji is an amazing looking game if you had both consoles you would know.  Yes the game sucks but the graphics are outstanding.

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?XTy

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Being a 360 launch owner, I don't even believe that. I bought Kameo, that stank. PD0? Ugly. Gun? Tony Hawk? Quake? Call of Duty? Sorry man, they were alright, but nothing special. I don't know what your talking about, but I do know that no system should be judged at a launch, even the hated PS3. Compare Gears to 360 launch games...

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core in the 360 cpu is only the power of a 1.5ghz p4/1500+ athlon xp.  That means all 3 cores only has the power of a amd 64 fx55 and a amd64 4000+ is not much less powerful.  The lack of out of order code support has really hurt the cpu power in the 360.

Even the most buget dual core cpu has more power than the 3 cores in the 360.

Nagidar

Umm, in case you didn't know, BOTH the Xenon and Cell are extremely weak compared to standard desktop processors.

For gaming both are far better then standard desktop processsors . And there is nothing in the pc right now that touches what the Cell can do for graphic rendering and games.

People need  to realize this and ill say it once"HEAVLY STRIPPED DOWN" means for desktop applications.  In other words both the PS3 and 360 would suck at running multiple desktop applicaitons and a beafy OS.  But for gaming purposes you need top of the line processors to rival the performance.

Id software amoung many developers has stated each core blah blah blah blah blah blah bah.......................

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="XTy"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Citizen_Zero

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Being a 360 launch owner, I don't even believe that. I bought Kameo, that stank. PD0? Ugly. Gun? Tony Hawk? Quake? Call of Duty? Sorry man, they were alright, but nothing special. I don't know what your talking about, but I do know that no system should be judged at a launch, even the hated PS3. Compare Gears to 360 launch games...

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM.  I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time.  I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments.  I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered.  Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

The PS3 GPU is weak,  G70 FTLm3Boarder32

its actually closer to a G71 and even has areas in which its better but the fact the procssor can render graphcis about as good as the GPU is the reason why the PS3 is simply more powerful.

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Billyhyw

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Most Xbox 360 launch titles look nowhere even half as good as PS3 launch titles sorry thats a fact. The only decent games the 360 launched with were Cod2, Kameo and PDZ0. Cod2 looks far worse then the PS3 version of Cod3. Kameo at best may look as good as Genjiand REFOM is far superior to PDZ0. What other great 360 games lauanched Gun and THAWL? Seriously the 360 launched wiht many last gen ports the PS3 launched with nothing worse then 360 ports.

Um no they dont. Genji is an amazing looking game if you had both consoles you would know.  Yes the game sucks but the graphics are outstanding.

Um no they dont. Genji is an amazing looking game if you had both consoles you would know. Yes the game sucks but the graphics are outstanding.

Billyhyw

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Citizen_Zero

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Most Xbox 360 launch titles look nowhere even half as good as PS3 launch titles sorry thats a fact. The only decent games the 360 launched with were Cod2, Kameo and PDZ0. Cod2 looks far worse then the PS3 version of Cod3. Kameo at best may look as good as Genjiand REFOM is far superior to PDZ0. What other great 360 games lauanched Gun and THAWL? Seriously the 360 launched wiht many last gen ports the PS3 launched with nothing worse then 360 ports.

Um no they dont. Genji is an amazing looking game if you had both consoles you would know.  Yes the game sucks but the graphics are outstanding.

Yes I have played both.  I love running my horse through an endless see of orcs.  I also thouht the castle level with the burning flames in the sky  and the fantasy towns all looked amazing.  But Genji is everybit as impressive .  It has far more detailed char models.  Regardless Kameo is a better game as the camera in Genji sucks and makes it hard to play but from a pure visual standpoint they are pretty close. 

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Billyhyw

[QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Billyhyw

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Being a 360 launch owner, I don't even believe that. I bought Kameo, that stank. PD0? Ugly. Gun? Tony Hawk? Quake? Call of Duty? Sorry man, they were alright, but nothing special. I don't know what your talking about, but I do know that no system should be judged at a launch, even the hated PS3. Compare Gears to 360 launch games...

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM.  I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time.  I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments.  I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered.  Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"][QUOTE="Citizen_Zero"][QUOTE="XTy"]

[QUOTE="coltonnaslund"]well......then why does it look better then any PS3 game?Citizen_Zero

PS3 infancy,

360 approaching 3rd Year X-mas.

Look at Xbox.

 In short, the Xbox and GameCube versions of Hot Pursuit II have slightly detuned graphics, mushier controls, and inexplicably, a variety of minute but tangible ommissions from the PlayStation 2 game

Being a 360 launch owner, I don't even believe that. I bought Kameo, that stank. PD0? Ugly. Gun? Tony Hawk? Quake? Call of Duty? Sorry man, they were alright, but nothing special. I don't know what your talking about, but I do know that no system should be judged at a launch, even the hated PS3. Compare Gears to 360 launch games...

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM.  I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time.  I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments.  I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered.  Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

Are you kidding me?  More characters on screen at a time means more polygons the system is pusing at one time.  The wall braking means more particle effects and yes the particle effects in REFOM look better then PDZ0 .  The differnce is I own both systems and im stating facts you have probalby never played a PS3 in your life.

[QUOTE="Billyhyw"]

Lmao anyone who thinks PDZ0 looks better then REFOM has never played REFOM. I didnt know PDZ0 had over 20 enemies on screen at a time. I didnt know PDZ0 had almost fully destructable enviornments. I didnt know when you killed someone the body never disapered. Give me a dam break REFOM smokes any 360 launch title from a visual perspective.

-GeordiLaForge-

The only area people could even argue that PDZ0 looks better then REFOM is texture quality.

REFOM has better char models, more going on screen at a time, better particle effects, better lighting and larger enviornments.