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#1  Edited By -Damien-
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Wii U has not enough customer base

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/02/07/take-two-ceo-tablet-gaming-not-quite-there-yet

"...Following this idea that Take-Two's content goes where the consumer goes, Zelnick spoke about the company's relationship, or lack thereof, with Nintendo and the Wii U console. Take-Two believes that Wii U just doesn't have the consumer base to warrant its attention right now. "Our strategy is to meet consumers where they are," Zelnick elaborated. "If they're buying hardware, we'll be there with software. That said, we make these really big, AAA titles that work on some platforms, but not others."

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#2 LegatoSkyheart
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I like how people on Neogaf immediately go Grand Theft Auto when they think 2K.

It's sad to know the WiiU will not get another 2K sport game or Bioshock or Borderlands. :(

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#3  Edited By freedomfreak  Online
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Can't blame him.

Shame though.

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#4 DocSanchez
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It's okay because Nintendo fans don't want any of those games on their console after all.

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#5  Edited By Lulu_Lulu
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@ DocSanchez

I'd kill for a Wii U Edition of LA. Noire with Cole's Note book appearing on the controller. They could do the samething With the CellPhone in GTA but I don't like GTA.

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#6 trugs26
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Chicken-egg. Install base is small because there aren't many games (need third parties to fill in gaps) vs developers don't support because the install base is small.

This is just one of the many problems Nintendo has.

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#7 LegatoSkyheart
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@ DocSanchez

I'd kill for a Wii U Edition of LA. Noire with Cole's Note book appearing on the controller. They could do the samething With the CellPhone in GTA but I don't like GTA.

he was more or less talking about how most Nintendo fans say "third party is crap" or "well those games aren't for me" swill.

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I suppose I can't argue with that. But with alil co-op I'm sure, Sheep will want to jump on it. :p

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#9  Edited By Gargus
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@LegatoSkyheart said:

I like how people on Neogaf immediately go Grand Theft Auto when they think 2K.

It's sad to know the WiiU will not get another 2K sport game or Bioshock or Borderlands. :(

It is their most well known and probably the biggest or second biggest selling game.

Even people who have never played video games have heard of grand theft auto. Its like talking about mcdonalds and not automatically think of a big mac.

Honestly I cant figure out why you would be surprised.

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#10  Edited By LegatoSkyheart
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@Gargus said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

I like how people on Neogaf immediately go Grand Theft Auto when they think 2K.

It's sad to know the WiiU will not get another 2K sport game or Bioshock or Borderlands. :(

It is their most well known and probably the biggest or second biggest selling game.

Even people who have never played video games have heard of grand theft auto. Its like talking about mcdonalds and not automatically think of a big mac.

Honestly I cant figure out why you would be surprised.

Because Rockstar, not 2K. Wouldn't have known 2K owned Rockstar had it not been for this place.

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#11  Edited By locopatho
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@Gargus said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

I like how people on Neogaf immediately go Grand Theft Auto when they think 2K.

It's sad to know the WiiU will not get another 2K sport game or Bioshock or Borderlands. :(

It is their most well known and probably the biggest or second biggest selling game.

Even people who have never played video games have heard of grand theft auto. Its like talking about mcdonalds and not automatically think of a big mac.

Honestly I cant figure out why you would be surprised.

I think McFlurry. By far their greatest menu item :P

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#12  Edited By Netret0120
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Not surprising.

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#13  Edited By emgesp
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Nintendo needs to get their sh** together. NES/SNES era Nintendo wouldn't be having these issues. What the hell happened to that company? The last two consoles have been utter rubbish. Yes, the original Wii sold a lot, but that is because it had a novelty factor going for it. I think we can all agree that regardless of sales the original Wii wasn't a great console and neither is the Wii U.

Time to drop the Wii name and bring back the Nintendo that went for the jugular.

Lastly, I call BS that the main reason why Take-Two won't develop games for it is because of the install base. I mean it might be one factor, but I think there are other factors as well they aren't mentioning. Most likely the totally different architecture and the fact that it is underpowered compared to the XB1/PS4 are other possible reasons why you won't see Take-Two games on the Wii U. I can almost guarantee that the next Take-Two game will be exclusive to the next-gen consoles.

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#14  Edited By Nengo_Flow
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I seriously dont remember who Take-Two is.

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#15  Edited By nintendoboy16
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It sucks, but the positive side, at least we won't see crap like Carnival Games on Wii U. Seriously, that's all what 2K (or Take-Two) released for the Wii, a very crappy shovelware series among other shovelware titles.

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#16  Edited By locopatho
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@Nengo_Flow said:

I seriously dont remember who Take-Two is.

Really? Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock, Xcom, Civilization ring any bells?

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#17 SirSlimyScott
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@Nengo_Flow: GTA, Bioshock, and Borderlands.

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#18 PrincessGomez92
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Will blame him.

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@locopatho said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

I seriously dont remember who Take-Two is.

Really? Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock, Xcom, Civilization ring any bells?

@locopatho said:

@Nengo_Flow said:

I seriously dont remember who Take-Two is.

Really? Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock, Xcom, Civilization ring any bells?

Oh... yeah...

I forgot about the Bioshock games, since I only played the first and didnt like it.

And the GTA RDR have R* name on them and thats the only name you need to know lol

I only played the Demo for Civilization and I downloaded XCOM off of PSN+ but never played it...

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#20  Edited By Gue1
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@trugs26 said:

Chicken-egg. Install base is small because there aren't many games (need third parties to fill in gaps) vs developers don't support because the install base is small.

This is just one of the many problems Nintendo has.

even when the Wii had like 90 millions in sales back in the day most 3rd party games still flopped horribly. Only Nintendo's 1st party's and crappy 3rd party exercise games sold well there. In fact, it's thanks to the Wii (and the X360) that now Mistwalker are now only dedicated to mobile games (well, they don't even have the capital to make games anymore). I mean, even great games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom flopped!

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@LegatoSkyheart said:

@Gargus said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

I like how people on Neogaf immediately go Grand Theft Auto when they think 2K.

It's sad to know the WiiU will not get another 2K sport game or Bioshock or Borderlands. :(

It is their most well known and probably the biggest or second biggest selling game.

Even people who have never played video games have heard of grand theft auto. Its like talking about mcdonalds and not automatically think of a big mac.

Honestly I cant figure out why you would be surprised.

Because Rockstar, not 2K. Wouldn't have known 2K owned Rockstar had it not been for this place.

2K doesn't own Rockstar. Both 2K and Rockstar are owned by Take-Two.

And Gargus, GTA isn't "probably their biggest or second biggest selling game". There's no probably. It is the best selling game franchise of all time, so I'm pretty sure that also makes it the best selling franchise Take-Two has.

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#22  Edited By edwardecl
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Well that's the WiiU officially fucked then. EA out, Ubisoft out,Warner Bros out, Take-Two out.

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#23 silversix_
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Of course not.

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#24 KBFloYd
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lol screw these nerds.

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#25 Bigboi500
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Nobody ever expected them to put their games on a Nintendo platform.

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#26 trugs26
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@Gue1 said:

@trugs26 said:

Chicken-egg. Install base is small because there aren't many games (need third parties to fill in gaps) vs developers don't support because the install base is small.

This is just one of the many problems Nintendo has.

even when the Wii had like 90 millions in sales back in the day most 3rd party games still flopped horribly. Only Nintendo's 1st party's and crappy 3rd party exercise games sold well there. In fact, it's thanks to the Wii (and the X360) that now Mistwalker are now only dedicated to mobile games (well, they don't even have the capital to make games anymore). I mean, even great games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom flopped!

Exactly why it's one of many problems.

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@the_bi99man said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

Because Rockstar, not 2K. Wouldn't have known 2K owned Rockstar had it not been for this place.

2K doesn't own Rockstar. Both 2K and Rockstar are owned by Take-Two.

And Gargus, GTA isn't "probably their biggest or second biggest selling game". There's no probably. It is the best selling game franchise of all time, so I'm pretty sure that also makes it the best selling franchise Take-Two has.

I thought 2K was Take Two?

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#28  Edited By Ghost120x
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@Bigboi500 said:

Nobody ever expected them to put their games on a Nintendo platform.

This. When have they ever released something on Nintendo platforms?

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#30  Edited By PSP107
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@emgesp said:

Nintendo needs to get their sh** together. NES/SNES era Nintendo wouldn't be having these issues. What the hell happened to that company? The last two consoles have been utter rubbish. Yes, the original Wii sold a lot, but that is because it had a novelty factor going for it. I think we can all agree that regardless of sales the original Wii wasn't a great console and neither is the Wii U.

Time to drop the Wii name and bring back the Nintendo that went for the jugular.

Lastly, I call BS that the main reason why Take-Two won't develop games for it is because of the install base. I mean it might be one factor, but I think there are other factors as well they aren't mentioning. Most likely the totally different architecture and the fact that it is underpowered compared to the XB1/PS4 are other possible reasons why you won't see Take-Two games on the Wii U. I can almost guarantee that the next Take-Two game will be exclusive to the next-gen consoles.

Gamecube was awful too =(

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#31  Edited By nintendoboy16
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@edwardecl said:

Well that's the WiiU officially fucked then. EA out, Ubisoft out,Warner Bros out, Take-Two out.

Nope. They are still in. Watch_Dogs and Child of Light are still getting released for the console. And for WB's sake, they are still releasing LEGO games.

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#32 StrongDeadlift
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Screw EA Activision Konami Square Enix Take Two. They suck anyways. We dont want any of EA'sActivision'sKonami'sSquare Enix's Take Two's crappy games on our system!!! :(

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Another top developer avoiding the Wii U and focusing on X1, PS4 and PC.
All that casual Wii money and sales going down the drain.

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#34  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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I wonder how much longer the WiiU has if things continue at this rate.

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#35  Edited By the_bi99man
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@LegatoSkyheart said:

@the_bi99man said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

Because Rockstar, not 2K. Wouldn't have known 2K owned Rockstar had it not been for this place.

2K doesn't own Rockstar. Both 2K and Rockstar are owned by Take-Two.

And Gargus, GTA isn't "probably their biggest or second biggest selling game". There's no probably. It is the best selling game franchise of all time, so I'm pretty sure that also makes it the best selling franchise Take-Two has.

I thought 2K was Take Two?

Na, Take Two is the parent company. 2K is one of their many, many subsidiaries. Of which Rockstar is also one.

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#36  Edited By nintendoboy16
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@Gue1 said:

@trugs26 said:

Chicken-egg. Install base is small because there aren't many games (need third parties to fill in gaps) vs developers don't support because the install base is small.

This is just one of the many problems Nintendo has.

even when the Wii had like 90 millions in sales back in the day most 3rd party games still flopped horribly. Only Nintendo's 1st party's and crappy 3rd party exercise games sold well there. In fact, it's thanks to the Wii (and the X360) that now Mistwalker are now only dedicated to mobile games (well, they don't even have the capital to make games anymore). I mean, even great games like Tatsunoko vs Capcom flopped!

Sonic Colors, Monster Hunter Tri, RE4/Umbrella Chronicles, LEGO Adaptations, and CoD are exercise games? News to me

Also, you realize Capcom was happy about the sales for TvsC, right? The sales can't have been that bad if they are pleased with the results. It's only "a flop" because it didn't have the hype the other fighters had and it released the same damn day as Mass Effect 2 (which, ironically EA and Capcom would re-enact that release when ME3 and Street Fighter X Tekken released the same day).

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#37  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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Damn, the Wii U is getting consumed buy that catch 22.

I'm not buying it without the third party support. And third parties won't support it unless people buy it.

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#38 blackace
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@-Damien-: You can blame Nintendo for that though. They should have sent reps to 3rd party developers to entice them to make games for their system instead of assuming 3rd party would automatically do so because the Wii sold over 100 million units. Nintendo went from top dog to bottom of the barrel from one generation to the next.

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@-Damien-: that's stupid. GTA: Chinatown Wars was best on DS because they were so brilliant in implementing the use of the touchscreen. A console GTA with an equally well implemented use of the GamePad would be a breakout success.

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#40 musicalmac  Moderator
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Who is still making Wii U games? Nintendo and...?

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#41 cainetao11
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@emgesp: nah, I can't agree with you on the Wii. The console has some really overlooked, great games on it.

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#42  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@LegatoSkyheart said:

@the_bi99man said:

@LegatoSkyheart said:

Because Rockstar, not 2K. Wouldn't have known 2K owned Rockstar had it not been for this place.

2K doesn't own Rockstar. Both 2K and Rockstar are owned by Take-Two.

And Gargus, GTA isn't "probably their biggest or second biggest selling game". There's no probably. It is the best selling game franchise of all time, so I'm pretty sure that also makes it the best selling franchise Take-Two has.

I thought 2K was Take Two?

No, the_bi99man is right. Take Two is the parent company. But their relationship with Rockstar is weird, as rockstar pretty much does whatever it likes.

It's not like Take Two can say: so GTA is pretty popular, why don't you make one every year ? and rockstar will do it.

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#43 Sword-Demon
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Userbases don't create themselves; publishers and developers have to create an ecosystem that gamers are attracted to before they'll buy the system. I'm amazed that publishers haven't realized this yet.

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#44  Edited By millerlight89
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@Sword-Demon said:

Userbases don't create themselves; publishers and developers have to create an ecosystem that gamers are attracted to before they'll buy the system. I'm amazed that publishers haven't realized this yet.

Publishers and developers don't want to work with Ninty because they are complete shit to work with. Let's not flip this on the publishers.

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#45 gamevet77
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@millerlight89: ON top of that why spend millions porting over wiiu game that is not going to sell. Some of the highest rated 3rd party games struggled to sell on the wii.

Nintendo use to be a great company until the wii dropped. They are the laughing stock now and nobody cares about them. The most loyal of nintendo fans are starting to realize Nintendo is out of touch with reality.

They failed the moment they announced the "wiiU" stupid name and stupid device.

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@millerlight89: ON top of that why spend millions porting over wiiu game that is not going to sell. Some of the highest rated 3rd party games struggled to sell on the wii.

Nintendo use to be a great company until the wii dropped. They are the laughing stock now and nobody cares about them. The most loyal of nintendo fans are starting to realize Nintendo is out of touch with reality.

They failed the moment they announced the "wiiU" stupid name and stupid device.

Bit of a stretch, don't you think? Lots of people still do even after all the stupid decisions.

Although to be fair, there are some people who call themselves lifelong fans of the company and contradict that WAY too easy *cough*DSP*cough*.

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#47 aroxx_ab
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Cant blame him, WiiU is just a secondary console at best for exclusives. No normal person would buy a multiplat for WiiU if they could buy it for Ps4/Xbone/PC...

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I can see why,seeing as WiiU is last gen . It would be like Take-2 saying they will release Bioshock 5 on PS3/360.

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#49  Edited By I_can_haz
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WiiU is totally fucked now.

D: RIP WiiU

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@El_Zo1212o said:

@-Damien-: that's stupid. GTA: Chinatown Wars was best on DS because they were so brilliant in implementing the use of the touchscreen. A console GTA with an equally well implemented use of the GamePad would be a breakout success.

The DS had a relevant user base.