Switch tracking PS2

@foxhound_fox: Yeah I love the PS2, it's my favourite console of all time. Still had a lot of disc read errors and lens problems with it though. Cartridges are the future.

They should have started with the PS2 Slim top-loader. That was pretty much the best console ever. Small, easily modable (to play imports!) and very quiet.

@FireEmblem_Man:

For almost the entire first year it was out, a DVD player was pretty much all it was good for. I bought a PS2 at launch and didn’t own a game until Silent Hill 2 came out in the fall.

@foxhound_fox:

A lot of the DREs could be fixed by opening up the sustem and cleaning the laser. I’ve done it twice with my launch PS2 and it still works perfectly to this day.

Amazingly GBA did that much in USA but only sold 82m worldwide compare to NDS 154m. Hopefully consoles in the current gen is not as front loaded as GBA, sold well in all territories and can have long legs like the ps2.

I tried the cleaning method, didn't work. I just relented and bought a Slim. Was the best purchase I could have made.

@davillain-: At the end? The PS2 was on top since day one.

@KBFloYd: the standard PS4 does 1080p at 60fps.

Maybe it's the early hour, but I read the subject line "Switch tracking PS2" in my best internal "Hollywood stereotypical Native American" voice:

"Hmm...PS2 tracks. Two, three days old."

lol wut? Out of my reply what exactly gave you that idea? Oh, you have a reading comprehension deficit. Color me impressed!

I might buy a Switch Pro one day if Nintendo quits bullying little guys in Court.

@Vatusus: got it from your corporate slave logic. PS3 was slow out of the gate, then surpassed the 360 prior the beginning of gen 8. So Switch can surpass the PS4 prior the release of PS5 and Scarlet.

@zmanbarzel: lol.

and the switch doesn't play DVDS, blurays, Netflix, have an internet browser.....so yeah he's still right.

And as I clearly pointed out, the PS3 still had strong 3rd party support, something the Switch definitely wont have. Good luck surpassing the PS4 with only Nintendo exclusives and niche Japanese titles supporting it...

@FireEmblem_Man:

To be fair, the PS2 had a much higher software tie in ratio than the GC and Xbox too, so ppl on average bought more games for PS2 than GC and Xbox. I don't know why ppl keep bringing up the "cheap DVD player" argument...I mean, you could also say the DS sold so well was cuz ppl either kept constantly trying to replace their missing DS's (I've personally lost 2, so I went with the new DS Lite since I may as well upgrade from the old one) or re purchasing new iterations. How many versions of DS's were actually out there so the install base for the DS surely must be a lot less than 150+ mil.

Well, everytime Nintendo came up with the new version of the 3DS, I went and replaced my old one with the updated one. I actually bought the 3DS like 4 times, one of which cuz I lost mine so I had to buy another one. Also, when the new 3DS came out, I went ahead and replaced my old one, which I'm sure plenty of other ppl did so perhaps the 3DS installed base is a lot lower than what the total lifetime sales suggest.

Same argument can be applied to the original DS and the Switch. A Switch is much easier to lose than a PS4 seeing how its a portable so I wouldn't be surprised if ppl had to replace their lost Switch for a new one, thereby skewing the Switch's install base.

But how many people had to replace their GBA's or DS's cuz they lost theirs? Portables are very easy to lose. People want to bring the PS2 only selling cuz it was a cheap DVD player as if that's supposed to make the PS2's sales figures less impressive. Yeah well, I could say the only reason DS sold so well was Nintendo kept rehashing the DS - DS Lite, DS XL, and DSi. I'm sure there are collectors who buy several versions of these systems including the limited edition ones like the Zelda and Pokemon themed ones.

Nice to see Nintendo doing well and it’s healthy for gaming. But I’m still not buying one as it offers me little I want in a gaming console/handheld.

@MarkAndExecute: Back then, DVD's were still new for those who grew up with VHS era, DVD Players only were very expensive compare to PS2 which can play games and play movies at the same time and making the PS2 cheaper to buy mainly for it's DVD drive and trust me, I it was a nice bonus to include it in the system. The same could be said for PS3 Blu-Ray drive.

You're right, 3rd party does matter. However, PS3 didn't rely on 3rd parties to catch up the Xbox 360, Sony fully invested in their first party IP's to ensure the PS3 was worth the price, and allowed MS fumble with Mattrick focusing so much on the Kinect and non-gaming related features like Netflix. It was titles like Uncharted, The Last of Us, Heavy Rain, God of War, Beyond 2 Souls, and Metal Gear Solid 4.

Nintendo did messed up with dropping the Wii too quickly, unable to cater 2 different markets, and failed to differentiate the Wii and Wii U. Yet they did a huge turn around with the Switch, and even if they'll lose Western 3rd party, they still have Japanese 3rd Party to back up with. Also, New Super Mario U Deluxe is coming next January, and 2D Mario has shown it can sell. I have not seen a Sony 1st party go above 30 million copies sold.

Dude, seriously... sigh

Both 3rd AND 1st party support matter. Never implied otherwise. The Switch wont live on 1st party alone. Hell we're already seeing a drough period on the Switch side and its sales have been declining as a result

However, in order for a console to sell all over the world, Japanese 3rd party support isnt enough. People want the big western IPs like RDR, GTA, The Witcher, Battlefield, CoD, Assassin's Creed, etc, etc, etc. If you honestly think japanese developers catter to the big market like western developers do, you're definitely delusional. And its not like the PS4 doesnt have big 3rd party japanase support also (Persona, nioh, Nier, etc). Sorry, but the swicth wont sell as much as the PS4 throughout its lifecycle, I predict little over half of its sales. It will win the japanese market, probably yes, but the japanese market is a grand of sand when talking worldwide sales. Hell, currently, in a United states week alone the PS4 sells more then a Switch month in japan, let alone EU, UK, South america, etc, etc.

Again, if you sheep really think the Switch will catch up with the PS4, you're definitely delusional

I imagine less than 100k at most. Not everyone is as careless as you. Also lets compare ds ds with psp, ds has multiple games selling over 10m compared to psp japan only exclusive MHp3rd at 5-6m. Its easy to see ds being a top console with very attractive games. I mean yeah I will never touch a mario game as I think they are very overmilked like cod but nintendodrones will buy them happily each year.

Also I bought multiple psp & vita systems. I collect them too.

But they aren't replacing it BECAUSE OF HARDWARE FAILURE. You clearly didn't read my whole post. Sony gave everyone with DRE a big middle finger and said "hehe, just buy another". Those fat PS2's had the darndest luck of always waiting until the warranty expired before dropping the DRE on the owner.

"Losing your DS" is not equivalent to Sony not replacing units with a fundamental design flaw.

@crunchymix: I had to adjust the white chips that adjusted the lengths height to keep my ps2 working on occasion

It certainly was delusional for cows to believe the PS3 would catch up to the Xbox 360, but it did happen.

@FireEmblem_Man: ms wasn't aggressive enough with pricing and Sony paid a heavy price to break even...I think they were selling the ps3 for a loss nearly the entire gen.

There wasn't a readily available number for PS4.

Also, I love how you're so much of "Nintendo" fanboy that you decided to act like Wii and PS2 sold anything close to similarly.

Silly sheep, lol.

Sigh* I feel like I'm talking to a wall here

No, it wasnt delusional. PS3 still had strong 3rd party support throughout the years to come, the Switch wont. Thats the big difference between both situations

@Vatusus: clarify why you think the Switch doesn't have 3rd party support? I think you mean it has limited AAA multiplat support. It has great 3rd party support - most of its games are 3rd party games

The funny thing is most people don’t realize that the PS2 and Wii were both the weakest consoles power wise of their respective generations yet they won in sales. Power doesn’t sell consoles.

Clearly I mean big AAA releases coming out at the same time as the other platforms do. People buy consoles to play those games as soon as possible. They wont be buying by the droves 3yo ports at full retail price yet with lesser quality, unless they really want portability, wich the vast majority (maybe outside of Japan) dont

Strange. Everyone I practically know has a PS2. I don't know too many people IRL with a switch.

Where did you pull that 100k number? Or did you just make it up? Lots of parents buy their kids DSs so it HAS to be a lot more than 100k since kids tend to be very careless with their toys. So the DS install base isn't really impressive when you consider the amount of people careless or ones who repurchased their DSs to replace the obsolete versions. Like I replaced my original DS for the DS Lite since it had a better screen. Therefore there has to be more millions more people who did that same thing.

So? PSP still outperformed better than the 3DS, which sold a lot worse despite having several iterations - New 3DS, 3DS XL, 2DS...not to mention several limited edition bundles like Yoshi and Pokemon.

The reason why is irrelevant. How many people said they were interested in buying a Switch Pro after there were rumors? Many Nintendo fans expressed interest in replacing their Switch's with the newer model, so therefore the same has to be true with DS owners that replaced their obsolete model with the newer one.

For example, when the New 3DS came out. I sold my old 3DS at Gamestop and used the store credit to buy the new one. That means 1 customer = 2 sales. I'm 1000000% sure there's plenty more people that did exact same thing as me. Nintendo fans are very fanatical. Whenever there's a newer Nintendo system that's better, more enhanced, etc. They will in a rush buy the latest one.

I'm starting to believe that the number of DS's sold worldwide is actually a lot smaller than 150 mil...probably half of that, like 75 mil...esp when you take into consideration how many are repeat buyers, ppl who lost their DS's, etc. Kids are careless and they like Nintendo systems, so the number has to be a lot less.

you don't understand my point. You're still talking about "lesser" versions of AAA games. I'm saying most of the Switch's NON-AAA games are also 3rd party. It's got 3rd party coming out the wazoo.

Great system doing great, glad to hear that. Hopefully next year has a better lineup than this year though.

Recently sold mine.

@cainetao11: You should buy it again

@charizard1605: hey buddy!!!

I don’t post/read sw much anymore but haven’t come across you in a long time here. How are you buddy? Hope all is well.

I will buy a switch again. I had to sell it while looking for work after finishing school last month. Just got a job at Ft. Hamilton in Brooklyn so I’ll be replacing my switch after Christmas

@cainetao11: I actually came back today after a long time myself lol. Place seems to be a bit dead, sadly. That said, I do follow your Tweets!

and that’s fair, other life considerations always take priority. Grats on the job!

The PS2 also enjoyed an advantage I doubt any other console ever will again...major 3rd party exclusives. GTA come out much later on xbox over the PS2, the EA sport games had no online until the last couple years. Back then the "exclusives matter" argument had a lot more weight because it wasn't just a handful of first party games, it was some of the biggest 3rd party ones too.

@charizard1605: thanks brother. Yeah I pop in and lurk more than post these days. Today I’ve wanted to poke the cow in the corner a bit. Lol

Jesus, must everything be said literaly now? Obviously I meant AAA 3rd party, ya kno, the big boys that sell consoles. As far as I checked, indies and lesser known IPs with A or AA budgets dont drive console sales

Also, the lesser doesnt need quotes. They ARE lesser versions, unless, as I've already said, you really care about portability

Ditto. If it was the case that loads of people were just simply using their PS2's strictly as DVD players and not for playing games, then why are there so many 3rd party exclusives made exclusively for PS2? Look at some of the best games that the Xbox or GC didn't have - FFXII, MGS3, Silent Hill 3, Kingdom Hearts, Katamari, Okami (at least during the PS2/GC/Xbox era, I know its on other systems now), Odin Sphere, etc. How much PS2 software was sold over its lifetime? Almost a billion.

GBA's life was cut short. If Nintendo didn't panic after finding out about PSP and kept the GBA going, it would have sold well over 100 million.

*1.5 billion software sold for ps2

Ps4 is on track to reach 1 billion software sold too