SW Choice for Best Shooter Series - Round 1 now closed

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#1 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

If theres any genre that has become a pariah in gaming, its the first and third person shooters. Weve all heard the complaints; there are too many of them, other genres becoming overlooked, and how its just become all too easy to make this genre a convenient scapegoat for the decline of gaming blah blah blah.

Well bollocks on that. While I do enjoy a multitude of genres, shooters are just as much fun and you know it!! (whether you know it or not ;) ) So to this I say lets give recognition to those titles that made their mark on gaming landscape, and as a series excel in their genre.

Im sure most of you are familiar with where it goes from here. 64 series will begin as contenders, but over the next 5 weeks of elimination, only ONE will remain to claim the crown for System Wars Choice of BEST SHOOTERS SERIES of all time. Yes this encompasses some of the early forerunners like Wolfenstein, DOOM, and Quake, pitted against the contemporary stars such as Call of Duty, Halo, Killzone, and Crysis.

THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

* To be eligible to vote, your account must have been created before Aug 1 2012.

* Your ballots must be posted as numbered lists (1-32 for round 1, 1-16 for round 2, 1-8 for round 3, and so on).

* Each number must correspond to the chart, choosing only one game from each assigned number slot.

* Your ballots must be complete, with all slots voted on or it wont be counted

* You may change your votes at any time up to the cut off. If you do so, do NOT make a new post. EDIT your existing ballot.

ROUND 1 ENDS TUE AUG 14

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Now as it often gets asked in these things, how did the contenders get arranged in their starting positions. In the past I did that with the old fashioned names out of a box method. But as nobody saw how it unfolded, it seemed like it could never be done right. So this time I got the community involved in helping determine the opening roster, where this time you could all see firsthand the process in action. See this pre-game thread for how it went down.

So who will reign supreme? From the story driven to the intense multiplayer battles, your votes will decide!

** What about Metroid Prime? **

[spoiler] I also thought Id pre-emptively address another issue right away. Why certain series are excluded. I kind of expect with this that Metroid Prime will likely be brought up. The first point I need to get across is that this isnt a competition for shooters by individual title but youre voting by series. And Metroid began as a 2D platformer before it took a 3D first person angle. The same can be said of the first two Fallout games that were isometric RPGs before taking the FPS route.

But even if you argue that the Metroid Prime games are its own sub-series of the exploits of Samus, even though its in first person, doesnt make it a shooter any more than Portal or Mirrors Edge is that are also first person games. Metroid Prime is and always has been first person adventure and exploration, a 3D re-imagining of its 2D side scrolling roots. Yes you have a shooting mechanic to the game, but so too does GTA and MGS.

Where games are more than the sum of their parts, in MP using your tools to discover new areas of the world and other modes of puzzle solving are just as much a part of the design. Samus weapon itself is more a puzzle solving device rather than a gun relying on player reflex, where it has the feature to lock on to enemies and even specific target areas of enemies. Many of the boss fights are really puzzles disguised as combat, where figuring out which extension of the arm cannon can exploit a unique weakness in the boss as the means to victory, not raw firepower or skill based aiming. Similarly you can see how Fallout 3s VATs system circumvents traditional gunplay typically associated with FPS games.

So no, those two games would never be included in the roster. Besides that, other games were given consideration but limited spots of 64 meant some games just couldnt make the final cut. [/spoiler]

Oh and about the first week side poll. It's more or less a straight forward question about which viewpoint you prefer in shooters. If you're wondering what I mean by "hybrid", it's where the game can combine the two perspectives. Best example I can think of is in RainbowSix Vegas where it's first person, but transitions to third person when in cover mode.

bane

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#2 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

And here are my votes for the first round;

1. Alien vs Predator
2. Killzone
3. The Darkness
4. Halo (sorry DEX :( )
5. HalfLife
6. Ghost Recon
7. Dead to Rights
8. Battlefield
9. Chronicles of Riddick
10. Painkiller
11. Counter Strike
12. Rainbow Six
13. Operation Flashpoint
14. Perfect Dark
15. No One lives Forever
16. Sniper Elite
17. Army of Two
18. Rage
19. Farcry
20. Spec Ops
21. Crysis
22. Gears of War
23. Bioshock
24. Golden Eye
25. Red Faction
26. Stalker
27. SW Dark Forces
28. Fear
29. Just Cause
30. Stranglehold
31. SW Battlefront
32. Black

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#3 Posted by D4W1L4H (1765 posts) -

1 ARMA
2 Duke Nukem
3 Brink
4 Deus Ex
5 Half Life
6 Ghost Recon
7 Team Fortress
8 Max Payne
9 Chronicles of Riddick
10 Painkiller
11 Counter Strike
12 Rainbow Six
13 Doom
14 Perfect Dark
15 Serious Sam
16 Mercenaries
17 Time Splitters
18 Conduit, The
19 Wolfenstein
20 Delta Force
21 Crysis
22 Gears of War
23 Metro 2033
24 Golden Eye
25 Soldier of Fortune
26 stalker
27 Homefront
28 Unreal
29 Just Cause
30 SOCOM
31 Medal of Honour
32 Borderlands

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#4 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26442 posts) -

1 - Arma

2 - Duke Nukem

3 - The Darkness

4 - Deus Ex

5 - Prey

6 - Ghost Recon

7 - Team Fortress

8 - Battlefield

9 - Chronicles of Riddick

10 - Painkiller

11 - Counter Strike

12 - Rainbow Six

13 - DOOM

14 - Perfect Dark

15 - Serious Sam

16 - Sniper Elite

17 - Timesplitters

18 - RAGE

19 - Wolfenstein

20 - Delta Force

21 - Crysis

22 - Gears of War

23 - Metro 2033

24 - Goldeneye

25 - Soldier of Fortune

26 - STALKER

27 - Homefront

28 - FEAR

29 - Just Cause

30 - SOCOM

31 - Medal of Honor

32 - Borderlands

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#5 Posted by johny300 (12496 posts) -
1. Alien vs Predator. 2. Killzone. 3. The Darkness. 4. Deus Ex. 5. Half Life. 6. Ghost Recon. 7. Dead To Rights. 8. Max Payne. 9. Chronicles of Riddick. 10. Painkiller. 11. Counter Strike. 12. Rainbow Six. 13. Operation Flashpoint. 14. Perfect Dark. 15. No one lives Forever. 16. Sniper Elite. 17. Time Splitters. 18. RAGE. 19. Farcry. 20. Spec Ops. 21. Vanquish. 22. Gears Of War. 23. Bioshock. 24 Golden Eye. 25. Red Faction. 26. Stalker. 27. SW Dark Forces. 28. Fear. 29. Just Cause. 30. Strangehold. 31. SW battlefront. 32. Borderlands.
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#6 Posted by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

1. ARMA

2. Killzone

3. Brink

4. Deus Ex

5. Half Life

6. Call of Duty

7. Team Fortress

8. Battlefield

9. Hmm 2 abysmal games... Lost Planet

10. Resistance

11. Counterstrike

12. MAG

13. Operation Flashpoint

14. Perfect Dark

15. Serious Sam

16. Sniper Elite

17. Timesplitters

18. Rage

19. Far Cry

20. Spec Ops

21. Crysis

22. Gears of War

23. Metro 2033

24. Golden Eye

25. Red Faction

26. STALKER

27. Homefront

28. FEAR

29. Just Cause

30. SOCOM

31. Star Wars Battlefront

32. Borderlands

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#7 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

OK,let's do it ;)

1.Arma

2.Duke Nukem

3,The Darkness

4.Deus Ex

5.Half-Life

6.CoD

7.Team Fortress

8.Max Payne

9.Riddick

10.Painkiller

11.Quake

12.R6

13.Doom

14.SWAT

15.NLFR

16.Mercenaries

17.Timespliters

18.Rage

19.Far Cry

20.Spec Ops

21.Crysis

22.Gears of War

23.Bioshock

24.Golden Eye

25.Red Faction

26.STALKER

27.Dark Forces

28.FEAR

29.Just Cause

30.SOCOM

31.MoH

32.Borderlands

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#8 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

I already notice some people with these spaced out lists. Here's a trick - if you hold SHIFT while clicking ENTER, the cursor will shift over to the next line directly below instead of the next paragraph line. This makes long lists more compact and saves screen stretching across multiple posts.

And there's always copying and pasting from notepad too :)

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#9 Posted by Thefatness16 (4673 posts) -
  1. ARMA
  2. Killzone
  3. Brink
  4. Halo
  5. Prey
  6. Call of Duty
  7. Team Fortress
  8. Max Payne
  9. Lost Planet
  10. Pain Killer
  11. Quake
  12. Rainbow Six
  13. Doom
  14. S.W.A.T.
  15. Serious Sam
  16. Mercenaries
  17. Army of Two
  18. Rage
  19. Wolfenstien
  20. Spec Ops
  21. Vanquish
  22. Gears of War
  23. Metro 2033
  24. Turok
  25. Red Faction
  26. Tribes
  27. Star Wars Dark Forces
  28. Unreal
  29. Timeshift
  30. Stranglehold
  31. Star Wars Battlefront
  32. Black

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#10 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

I already notice some people with these spaced out lists. Here's a trick - if you hold SHIFT while clicking ENTER, the cursor will shift over to the next line directly below instead of the next paragraph line. This makes long lists more compact and saves screen stretching across multiple posts.

And there's always copying and pasting from notepad too :)

AdobeArtist

Sorry,takes too much time.Holding down the Shift breaks the typing flow ;)

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#11 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44891 posts) -
  1. ARMA
  2. Killzone
  3. The Darkness
  4. Halo
  5. Half-Life
  6. Ghost Recon
  7. Team Fortress
  8. Battlefield
  9. Chronicles of Riddick
  10. Resistance
  11. Counter Strike
  12. Rainbow Six
  13. DOOM
  14. SWAT
  15. Serious Sam
  16. Mercanaries
  17. Timesplitters
  18. Rage
  19. Farcry
  20. Delta Force
  21. Crysis
  22. Gears of War
  23. Metro 2033
  24. Goldeneye
  25. Red Faction
  26. Stalker
  27. Homefront
  28. Fear
  29. Timeshift
  30. Socom
  31. Medal of Honor
  32. Black
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#13 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

Hope there aren't mistakes, don't feel like doing it twice lol XD First round is always a pain lol :P

Desmonic

Imagine what it's like for ME!! :lol: Even with my spreadsheet, tabulating all that data between 32 slots and 64 titles is a massive pain in the colon. I'm always thankful for each successive round when the list shortens :P

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#15 Posted by jackfruitchips (1065 posts) -

1.Alien vs Predator

2.Killzone

3.The Darkness

4.Halo

5.Half Life

6.Call of Duty

7.Team Fortress

8.Battlefield

9.The Chronicles of Riddick

10.Resistance

11.Counter Strike

12.Rainbow Six

13.Doom

14.Perfect Dark

15.Serious Sam

16.Sniper Elite

17TimeSplitters

18.Rage

19.Far Cry

20.Spec Ops

21.Crysis

22.Gears of War

23.BioShock

24.Golden Eye

25.Red Faction

26.Stalker

27.Homefront

28.FEAR

29.Just Cause

30.Stranglehold

31.Medal of Honor

32.Borderlands

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#16 Posted by Nanomage (2371 posts) -

1. ARMA

2. Duke Nukem

3. The Darkness

4. Deus Ex

5. Half Life

6. Ghost Recon

7. Team Fortress

8. Battlefield

9. Chronicles of Riddick

10. Painkiller

11. Quake

12. Rainbow Six

13. Doom

14. SWAT

15. No One Lives Forever

16. Sniper Elite

17. Army of Two

18. Rage

19. Wolfenstein

20. Delta Force

21. Crysis

22. Gears of War

23. Bioshock

24. Turok

25. Soldier of Fortune

26. STALKER

27. SW Dark Forces

28. Unreal

29. Just Cause

30. Stranglehold

31. SW Battlefront

32. Borderlands

Also,I´m still curious to how game series like Deus Ex or Stalker count as shooters for you and Mass Effect doesn´t.

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#17 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -

1 ARMA

2 Killzone

3 The Darkness
4 Halo
5 Half Life
6 Call of Duty
7 Team Fortress
8 Max Payne
9 Chronicles of Riddick
10 Resistance
11 Counter Strike
12 Rainbow Six
13 Doom
14 Perfect Dark
15 Serious Sam
16 Mercenaries
17 Time Splitters
18 Rage
19 Far Cry
20 Spec Ops
21 Vanquish
22 Gears of War
23 BioShock
24 Golden Eye
25 Red Faction
26 Stalker
27 Homefront
28 Fear
29 Just Cause
30 SOCOM
31Star Wars Battlefront
32 Black

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#18 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

1. ARMA

2. Killzone

3. The Darkness

4. Halo

5. Half life

6. Call of Duty

7. Dead to Rights

8. Battlefield

9. Chronicle of Riddick

10. Resistance

11. Counter Strike

12. Rainbow Six

13. DOOM

14. S.W.A.T.

15. Serious Sam

16. Mercenaries

17. Army of Two

18. Rage

19. Far cry

20. Delta Force

21. Crysis

22. Gears of War

23. Bioshock

24. Golden Eye

25. Red Faction

26. STALKER

27. Star Wars Dark Forces

28. Unreal

29. Timeshift

30. Stranglehold

31. Medal of Honor

32. Borderlands

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#19 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

Xvision, WTF was with that font size?? :x And no spamming batman videos either ;)

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#20 Posted by GD1551 (9645 posts) -

Where's uncharted and mass effect? Surely those could get in over black and MAG

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#21 Posted by Zensword (4509 posts) -
1.Alien vs Predator 2.Duke Nukem 3.The Darkness 4.Halo 5.Half Life 6.Call Of Duty 7.Team Fortress 8.Battlefield 9.Chronicles of Riddick 10.Resistance 11.Counter Strike 12.Rainbow Six 13.Doom 14.Perfect Dark 15.Serious Sam 16.Sniper Elite 17.TimeSplitters 18.Rage 19.Far Cry 20.Spec Ops 21.Crysis 22.Gears of War 23.BioShock 24.Golden Eye 25.Red Faction 26.STALKER 27.Star Wars Dark Forces 28.FEAR 29.Just Cause 30.SOCOM 31.Star Wars Battlefront 32.Borderlands
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#22 Posted by tagyhag (15874 posts) -
1. ARMA 2. Duke Nukem (Unfortunately most people here starting gaming last gen so the Duke will not be loved. :( ) 3. The Darkness 4. Halo 5. Half-Life 6. Call of Duty 7. Team Fortress 8. Battlefield 9. Chronicles of Riddick 10. Painkiller 11. Counter Strike (This one was tough) 12. Rainbow Six 13. DOOM 14. Perfect Dark 15. Serious Sam (Also tough) 16. Sniper Elite 17. Time Splitters 18. RAGE 19. Far Cry 20. Spec Ops 21. Crysis 22. Gears of War 23. Bioshock 24. Goldeneye 25. Red Faction 26. STALKER 27. Dark Forces 28. Unreal (Tough) 29. Just Cause 30. Stranglehold 31. Battlefront 32. Borderlands
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#23 Posted by CooperThief (648 posts) -

1. ARMA
2. Killzone
3. Brink
4. Deus Ex
5. HalfLife
6. Call of Duty
7. Team Fortress
8. Max Payne (hard choice)
9. Lost Planet
10. Resistance
11. Counter Strike
12. Rainbow Six
13. DOOM
14. Perfect Dark
15. Serious Sam
16. Sniper Elite
17. Army of Two
18. Rage
19. Farcry
20. Spec Ops
21. Vanquish
22. Gears of War
23. Bioshock
24. Goldeneye
25. Red Faction
26. Stalker
27. Homefront
28. FEAR
29. Just Cause
30. Stranglehold (FTW)
31. Star Wars Battlefront
32. Borderlands

Obviously rigged by AdobeArtist.

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#24 Posted by GD1551 (9645 posts) -

Anyway here's mine.

  1. AVP
  2. Killzone
  3. The Darkness
  4. Halo
  5. Half Life
  6. Call of Duty
  7. Team Fortress
  8. Max Payne
  9. Lost Planet
  10. Pain Killer
  11. Quake
  12. Rainbow Six
  13. Doom
  14. Perfect Dark
  15. Serious Sam
  16. Mercenaries
  17. Army of Two
  18. Rage
  19. Wolfenstien
  20. Spec Ops
  21. Vanquish
  22. Gears of War
  23. Metro 2033
  24. Golden Eye
  25. Soldier of Fortune
  26. Tribes
  27. Star Wars Dark Forces
  28. Unreal
  29. Timeshift
  30. Stranglehold
  31. Star Wars Battlefront
  32. Borderlands
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#25 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

Xvision, WTF was with that font size?? :x And no spamming batman videos either ;)

AdobeArtist

No batman videos? :o

And I was just about to share my favorite one, shame :P.

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#26 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

Where's uncharted and mass effect? Surely those could get in over black and MAG

GD1551

Uncharted is more an action adventure game when factoring in its platforming and puzzle solving (much akin to Tomb Raider).

And Mass Effect likewise while does include shooting mechanics, is not the sum of its gameplay experience. There are other modes outside of that which doesn't involve shooting which is integral to driving the story (pertaining to its role playing experience). This would include the various world/social interactions, and objectives such as hacking, negotiating deals for yourself or on behalf of NPCs, aquiring objects of importance, tracking data streams, etc...

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#27 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Xvision, WTF was with that font size?? :x And no spamming batman videos either ;)

XVision84

No batman videos? :o

And I was just about to share my favorite one, shame :P.

OK, mayyyyyybe I acted in haste with the videos.... but that font size... that font size, I mean when you're posting a list of 32, and double spaced no less :x

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#28 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Xvision, WTF was with that font size?? :x And no spamming batman videos either ;)

AdobeArtist

No batman videos? :o

And I was just about to share my favorite one, shame :P.

OK, mayyyyyybe I acted in haste with the videos.... but that font size... that font size, I mean when you're posting a list of 32, and double spaced no less :x

I wanted to try something new :P.

At least it made it easier to read.

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#29 Posted by AdobeArtist (24863 posts) -

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

No batman videos? :o

And I was just about to share my favorite one, shame :P.

XVision84

OK, mayyyyyybe I acted in haste with the videos.... but that font size... that font size, I mean when you're posting a list of 32, and double spaced no less :x

I wanted to try something new :P.

At least it made it easier to read.

Your punishment must be more severe :twisted:

bane

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#30 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -
Uncharted is not a TPS, what is this, I don't even...
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#31 Posted by Nanomage (2371 posts) -

And Mass Effect likewise while does include shooting mechanics, is not the sum of its gameplay experience. There are other modes outside of that which doesn't involve shooting which is integral to driving the story (pertaining to its role playing experience). This would include the various world/social interactions, and objectives such as hacking, negotiating deals for yourself or on behalf of NPCs, aquiring objects of importance, tracking data streams, etc...

AdobeArtist

So basically,this description also fits Deus Ex perfectly and yet,Deus Ex is in there and Mass Effect isn´t.

Even STALKER you can make a strong argument about it...

Seriously,I know you try as hard as you can to not label ME as a shooter but from the moment you make that kind of description as you did and include Deus Ex and STALKER in there but not Mass Effect,that´s just sounds very hypocritical.

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#32 Posted by AmayaPapaya (9029 posts) -
  1. Arma
  2. Killzone
  3. Darkness
  4. Deus Ex (HR is awesome)
  5. Half Life
  6. COD
  7. Team Fortress
  8. Battlefield
  9. Lost Planet
  10. Resistance
  11. Counter Strike
  12. Rainbow Six
  13. DOOM
  14. PD
  15. Serious Sam
  16. Sniper Elite
  17. Time Splitters
  18. Rage
  19. Wolfenstein
  20. Spec Ops
  21. Crysis
  22. Gears of War
  23. Bioshock
  24. Turok
  25. Red Faction
  26. STALKER
  27. Homefront
  28. Unreal
  29. Just Cause (Sandbox?)
  30. Stranglehold
  31. MoH
  32. Borderlands

I don't have much experience with this genre. Most of the shooters I've played are from this gen so my list may show that. I did play DOOM though. Old game, but still lots of fun. My top 5 are Deus Ex, Borderlands, Resistance, Crysis and DOOM.

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#33 Posted by vguy555 (4625 posts) -

1.ARMA
2.Killzone
3.Brink
4.Halo
5.HalfLife
6.Ghost Recon
7.Team Fortress
8.Battlefield
9.Lost Planet
10.Resistance
11.Counter Strike
12.Rainbow Six
13.Doom
14.Perfect Dark
15.Serious Sam
16.Sniper Elite
17.Timesplitters
18.Rage
19.Farcry
20.Spec Ops
21.Crysis
22.Gears of War
23.Bioshock
24.Golden Eye
25.Red Faction
26.Tribes
27.Homefront
28.FEAR
29.Just Cause
30.SOCOM
31.Medal of Honor
32.Borderlands

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#34 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

And Mass Effect likewise while does include shooting mechanics, is not the sum of its gameplay experience. There are other modes outside of that which doesn't involve shooting which is integral to driving the story (pertaining to its role playing experience). This would include the various world/social interactions, and objectives such as hacking, negotiating deals for yourself or on behalf of NPCs, aquiring objects of importance, tracking data streams, etc...

Nanomage

So basically,this description also fits Deus Ex perfectly and yet,Deus Ex is in there and Mass Effect isn´t.

Even STALKER you can make a strong argument about it...

Seriously,I know you try as hard as you can to not label ME as a shooter but from the moment you make that kind of description as you did and include Deus Ex and STALKER in there but not Mass Effect,that´s just sounds very hypocritical.

It's fair TBH.

Mass Effect already won best new IP this gen, I think we need to give a chance for other games to get SW awards too.

If we put Mass Effect up there, it would mop the floor with the competition.

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#36 Posted by Nanomage (2371 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

And Mass Effect likewise while does include shooting mechanics, is not the sum of its gameplay experience. There are other modes outside of that which doesn't involve shooting which is integral to driving the story (pertaining to its role playing experience). This would include the various world/social interactions, and objectives such as hacking, negotiating deals for yourself or on behalf of NPCs, aquiring objects of importance, tracking data streams, etc...

XVision84

So basically,this description also fits Deus Ex perfectly and yet,Deus Ex is in there and Mass Effect isn´t.

Even STALKER you can make a strong argument about it...

Seriously,I know you try as hard as you can to not label ME as a shooter but from the moment you make that kind of description as you did and include Deus Ex and STALKER in there but not Mass Effect,that´s just sounds very hypocritical.

It's fair TBH.

Mass Effect already won best new IP this gen, I think we need to give a chance for other games to get SW awards too.

If we put Mass Effect up there, it would mop the floor with the competition.

It´s not a matter of fairness,it´s a matter of consistency of argument,if Deus Ex(or even STALKER) is a shooter ,then so is Mass Effect.

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#37 Posted by Zensword (4509 posts) -
Uncharted is not a TPS, what is this, I don't even...Blabadon
Yeah I don't get it either, Deus Ex is generally considered an RPG yet it made the list.
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#38 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

So basically,this description also fits Deus Ex perfectly and yet,Deus Ex is in there and Mass Effect isn´t.

Even STALKER you can make a strong argument about it...

Seriously,I know you try as hard as you can to not label ME as a shooter but from the moment you make that kind of description as you did and include Deus Ex and STALKER in there but not Mass Effect,that´s just sounds very hypocritical.

Nanomage

It's fair TBH.

Mass Effect already won best new IP this gen, I think we need to give a chance for other games to get SW awards too.

If we put Mass Effect up there, it would mop the floor with the competition.

It´s not a matter of fairness,it´s a matter of consistency of argument,if Deus Ex(or even STALKER) is a shooter ,then so is Mass Effect.

Besides,and I´m not sure about this but,in the RPG competition wasn´t Deus Ex in there?

Because if it was,then wow...

Well the shooting isn't really a major feature in Mass Effect, it's really all about the story and action. Same with Uncharted.

I can't believe you're really calling conspiracy theories on this, why would Adobe purposely leave out Mass Effect, he likes Mass Effect.

It's just a community poll man, relax :P.

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#39 Posted by tagyhag (15874 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

[QUOTE="Nanomage"]

So basically,this description also fits Deus Ex perfectly and yet,Deus Ex is in there and Mass Effect isn´t.

Even STALKER you can make a strong argument about it...

Seriously,I know you try as hard as you can to not label ME as a shooter but from the moment you make that kind of description as you did and include Deus Ex and STALKER in there but not Mass Effect,that´s just sounds very hypocritical.

Nanomage

It's fair TBH.

Mass Effect already won best new IP this gen, I think we need to give a chance for other games to get SW awards too.

If we put Mass Effect up there, it would mop the floor with the competition.

It´s not a matter of fairness,it´s a matter of consistency of argument,if Deus Ex(or even STALKER) is a shooter ,then so is Mass Effect.

Have to agree with Nanomage here. I would consider Deus and STALKER to have more RPG aspects, especially when considering their difficulty compared to the ME series.

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#40 Posted by Arach666 (23255 posts) -

It´s not a matter of fairness,it´s a matter of consistency of argument,if Deus Ex(or even STALKER) is a shooter ,then so is Mass Effect.

Nanomage

Very much so,but putting Mass Effect in there would be basically Adobe addmiting defeat on all the arguments he makes defending ME as an RPG and not as a shooter,so that was never going to happen.

But it´s hilarious to see the explanation to why ME wasn´t included when all the defining specifics mentioned are all also present in Deus EX,and yet,somehow DX is a shooter and ME isn´t lol.

And the very same applies to STALKER as well.

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#41 Posted by BPoole96 (22817 posts) -
  1. Arma
  2. Duke Nukem
  3. the Darkness
  4. Deus Ex
  5. Half Life
  6. Call of Duty
  7. Team Fortress
  8. Battlefield
  9. Chronicles of Riddick
  10. Painkiller
  11. Quake
  12. MAG
  13. Doom
  14. Perfect Dark
  15. Serious Sam
  16. Sniper Elite
  17. Timesplitters
  18. Rage
  19. Wolfenstein
  20. Spec Ops
  21. Crysis
  22. Gears of War
  23. BioShock
  24. GoldenEye
  25. Red Faction
  26. Stalker
  27. Homefront
  28. Fear
  29. Just Cause
  30. Socom
  31. Medal of Honor
  32. Borderlands

I have played most of these games but some of them I have not but voted anyway

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#42 Posted by tagyhag (15874 posts) -

Well the shooting isn't really a major feature in Mass Effect, it's really all about the story and action. Same with Uncharted.

XVision84

That's pretty crazy bro. :P I'm pretty sure I did more shooting in both those games than talking and platforming respectively.

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#44 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

Well the shooting isn't really a major feature in Mass Effect, it's really all about the story and action. Same with Uncharted.

tagyhag

That's pretty crazy bro. :P I'm pretty sure I did more shooting in both those games than talking and platforming respectively.

I still think they're more action/adventure centric, but yeah they can also be considered TPS'.

And yeah I also don't know why Deus Ex and STALKER are up there, I never played them so I didn't realize how deep their RPG roots go.

I don't think either of them will make it to the end anyways, but Uncharted or Mass Effect could've been winners if they were up there.

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#46 Posted by Sun_Universe (312 posts) -

1. ARMA

2. Killzone

3. The Darkness

4. Dues ex

5. Half-life

6. Call of Duty

7. Team Fortress

8. Battlefield

9. Chronicles of Riddick

10. Resistance

11. Counter Strike

12. Rainbow Six

13. Doom

14. Perfect Dark

15. Serious Sam

16. Sniper Elite

17. Timesplitters

18. Rage

19. Far Cry

20. Spec ops

21. Crysis

22. Gears of War

23. Metro 2033

24. Golden Eye

25. Red Faction

26. Stalker

27. Homefront

28. Fear

29. Just Cause

30. Socom

31. SW Battlefront

32. Borderlands

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#47 Posted by GreenGoblin2099 (16988 posts) -

1- Alien vs Predator
2- Killzone
3- The Darkness
4- Deus Ex
5- Half Life
6- Ghost Recon
7- Team fortress
8- Battlefield
9- Chronicles of Riddic
10- Resistance
11- Quake
12- Rainbow Six
13- Doom
14- Perfect Dark
15- Serious Sam
16- Sniper Elite
17- Timesplitters
18- Rage
19- Wolfstein
20- Delta Force ???
21- Crysis
22- Gears of War (vs K&L??? Conspiracy confirmed!!!)
23- Bioshock
24- Turok
25- Red Faction
26- Stalker
27- Homefront
28- Unreal
29- Just Cause
30- SOCOM
31- Medal of Honor
32- Borderlands

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#48 Posted by Arach666 (23255 posts) -

1. Arma
2. Duke Nukem
3. The Darkness
4. Deus EX
5. Half Life
6. Ghost Recon
7. Team Fortress
8. Battlefield
9. Riddick
10. Painkiller
11. Quake
12. Rainbow Six
13. Doom
14. SWAT
15. NOLF
16. Sniper Elite
17. Army of Two
18. Rage
19. Wolfenstein
20. Delta Force
21. Crysis
22. Gears of War
23. Bioshock
24. Turok
25. Soldier of Fortune
26. Stalker
27. Dark Forces
28. Unreal
29. Just Cause
30. Stranglehold
31. Battlefront
32. Borderlands

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#49 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

1. Arma
2. Killzone
3. Brink
4. Halo
5. Half Life
6. Call of Duty
7. Team Fortress
8. Max Payne
9. Chronicles of Riddick
10. Resistance
11. Quake
12. Rainbow Six
13. Doom
14. SWAT
15. Serious Sam
16. Sniper Elite
17. Timesplitters
18. Rage
19. Far Cry
20. Spec Ops
21. Crysis
22. Gears of War
23. Bioshock
24. Golden Eye
25. Red Faction
26. STALKER
27. Star Wars Dark Forces
28. Unreal
29. Just Cause
30. SOCOM
31. Star Wars Battlefront
32. Borderlands

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#50 Posted by thom_maytees (3669 posts) -

My choices (may the best shooter wins):

1. Alien vs. Predator
2. Killzone
3. Brink
4. Halo
5. HalfLife
6. Call of Duty
7. Team Fortress
8. Battlefield
9. Chronicles of Riddick
10. Painkiller
11. Quake
12. Rainbow Six
13. DOOM
14. Perfect Dark
15. Serious Sam
16. Mercenaries
17. Timesplitters
18. Rage
19. Wolfenstein
20. Spec Ops
21. Crysis
22. Gears of War
23. Bioshock
24. Golden Eye
25. Red Faction
26. STALKER
27. Star Wars Dark Forces
28. Unreal
29. Just Cause
30. SOCOM
31. Star Wars Battlefront
32. Borderlands