Super Smash bros. fighting

Why does everyone say the Super Smash bros. series is not competitive?

Honestly, I?m not saying the Super Smash bros. series is some kind of masterpiece but I really think it is a very competitive fighting series. Unlike most fighters, there is a big concentration on aerial moves. This allows for way more possibilities of move combinations and potential threats. Also, you can play with 4 characters on the screen at once, although it seems to be more intense with just a 1 on 1 battle. All the characters have a wide variety of moves and have distinct move styles and special moves.

I will admit, Super Smash bros. Brawl took a step back in intensity and competitive play, but Super Smash bros. Melee will always be an intense fighter.

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

Brawl is definitely casualized compared to Melee but I don't think the game is broken or anything like some people here seem to think.

Actually people don't like it because of it's community.

The games (At least SSBM) has a pretty high skill ceiling when using advanced suff.

Actually people don't like it because of it's community.

The games (At least SSBM) has a pretty high skill ceiling when using advanced suff.

OneSanitarium

Is Melee harder? I have the least experience with that one. I played tons of the N64 SSB and recently started playing SSBB. I have only played maybe a couple of hours of Melee. I do know that Fox and Zelda/Sheik seem to dominate in Melee

It is competitive and the best players in the world really put a show. But it is not to the level of SSF4 for example, which torunaments prove to have such a high level of skill.

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

BPoole96

Smash was once the biggest of all the fighters and was at EVO every year. SSBB was the game that tore the community apart. Not to say it is a bad game but since Brawl, there has only been a substantial (but not has big as before) amount of players at a competitive level. Most play and are known through the Smash Boards.

As for as community goes, Smash was liked for the most part. Its usually the Capcom fanboys that hate on it the most.

Its not very deep, even with Melee you had you rely on glitches to be a pro player.GulliversTravel

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Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

mexicangordo

Smash was once the biggest of all the fighters and was at EVO every year. SSBB was the game that tore the community apart. Not to say it is a bad game but since Brawl, there has only been a substantial (but not has big as before) amount of players at a competitive level. Most play and are known through the Smash Boards.

As for as community goes, Smash was liked for the most part. Its usually the Capcom fanboys that hate on it the most.

That explains it then. I am not big on fighters myself, but I do like to watch Street Fighter tournaments. Most of the feedback regarding the game that I saw was coming from them and it was almost always negative

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

BPoole96

Smash was once the biggest of all the fighters and was at EVO every year. SSBB was the game that tore the community apart. Not to say it is a bad game but since Brawl, there has only been a substantial (but not has big as before) amount of players at a competitive level. Most play and are known through the Smash Boards.

As for as community goes, Smash was liked for the most part. Its usually the Capcom fanboys that hate on it the most.

That explains it then. I am not big on fighters myself, but I do like to watch Street Fighter tournaments. Most of the feedback regarding the game that I saw was coming from them and it was almost always negative

Though I will say that Capcom fighters are usually my favorite. Vampire Savior for life! :P

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

BPoole96

a good jigglypuff does damager your sadly mistaken

Well some of the moves are pretty easy to execute, with other games you have to learn alot of complex moves, but Smash Bros makes it easy. Also there are many environmental things that can tip the odds in your favor, like drop items and stage hazards ect....also some charecters are just plain better than others.

That being said I do think the game is competitive, I mean it's a fighting game. But I don't really care about that stuff, I just play to have fun.

Well some of the moves are pretty easy to execute, with other games you have to learn alot of complex moves, but Smash Bros makes it easy. Also there are many environmental things that can tip the odds in your favor, like drop items and stage hazards ect....also some charecters are just plain better than others.

That being said I do think the game is competitive, I mean it's a fighting game. But I don't really care about that stuff, I just play to have fun.

ShadowMoses900

Implying that playing competitively or playing to win isn't the same as playing to have fun.

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Well some of the moves are pretty easy to execute, with other games you have to learn alot of complex moves, but Smash Bros makes it easy. Also there are many environmental things that can tip the odds in your favor, like drop items and stage hazards ect....also some charecters are just plain better than others.

That being said I do think the game is competitive, I mean it's a fighting game. But I don't really care about that stuff, I just play to have fun.

OneSanitarium

Implying that playing competitively or playing to win isn't the same as playing to have fun.

Mabey for some people it is, but alot of "competitive" players just throw fits and get emotionally involved in the games like children. I don't think they are having fun.

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[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Well some of the moves are pretty easy to execute, with other games you have to learn alot of complex moves, but Smash Bros makes it easy. Also there are many environmental things that can tip the odds in your favor, like drop items and stage hazards ect....also some charecters are just plain better than others.

That being said I do think the game is competitive, I mean it's a fighting game. But I don't really care about that stuff, I just play to have fun.

ShadowMoses900

Implying that playing competitively or playing to win isn't the same as playing to have fun.

Mabey for some people it is, but alot of "competitive" players just throw fits and get emotionally involved in the games like children. I don't think they are having fun.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

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Implying that playing competitively or playing to win isn't the same as playing to have fun.

OneSanitarium

Mabey for some people it is, but alot of "competitive" players just throw fits and get emotionally involved in the games like children. I don't think they are having fun.

I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.

Actually, yes he does. Some people take multiplayer gaming way too seriously. I've played Mario Kart Wii with family and have gotten my ass kicked, but I still found it to be quite fun even though I lost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI97S0XeU5A-

Actually, yes he does. Some people take multiplayer gaming way too seriously. I've played Mario Kart Wii with family and have gotten my ass kicked, but I still found it to be quite fun even though I lost.

Demonjoe93

Losing in Mario Kart? I wouldn't be able to sleep for days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI97S0XeU5A-

ActionRemix

That was EPIC!!!!!!!!!

I had a blast with Brawl but to be honest it is the only one I have ever played. I never tried to learn how to play it. I used it mainly for get togethers. It is what it is. A fun game that made me turn the Wii on. An accomplishment.

Actually people don't like it because of it's community.

The games (At least SSBM) has a pretty high skill ceiling when using advanced suff.

OneSanitarium

SSB 64 is definitely a skill fighter....watchinmg some of the combos and variety and the difficulty of pulling some moves off is incredible to watch.

im not sure about melee but usually people say that was even more competative...

brawl is a party fighter like charizerd says.

No. Not this again. SSB is a party fighter. It's an incredible set of games, my all time favorite, and it's a lot of fun, but it is not competitive.charizard1605

WRONG I'd own you any day of the week, and these advanced skills took hundreds of hours of playtime to perfect my techinques

Okay I'm not that great but I'd still own you :x

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No. Not this again. SSB is a party fighter. It's an incredible set of games, my all time favorite, and it's a lot of fun, but it is not competitive.Eponique

WRONG I'd own you any day of the week, and these advanced skills took hundreds of hours of playtime to perfect my techinques

Okay I'm not that great but I'd still own you :x

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]No. Not this again. SSB is a party fighter. It's an incredible set of games, my all time favorite, and it's a lot of fun, but it is not competitive.charizard1605

WRONG I'd own you any day of the week, and these advanced skills took hundreds of hours of playtime to perfect my techinques

Okay I'm not that great but I'd still own you :x

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Eponique"]\

WRONG I'd own you any day of the week, and these advanced skills took hundreds of hours of playtime to perfect my techinques

Okay I'm not that great but I'd still own you :x

Kaze_no_Mirai

And then one Final Smash later, we'd be even again.charizard1605

Blue shells didn't save you in Mario Kart :oops:

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

BPoole96

You've never fought against someone who knows how to use the Wall of Pain...

People who spent years mastering complicated movesets and trapping their opponents in inescapable combos were upset when it took minimal effort to become a decent player in Smash Bros, so their unrivaled mastery at tournaments fighters became useless knowledge for a round of 3-man stock. I'm saying this because my brother hates smash bros because I kicked his ass at it back in 1999, and he's the best tournament fighter player I personally know. Without his ability to own every match, he feels like the game cheats him out of a victory, so it's therefore unfair to him.

I'm not saying that's how it is for everyone, but the uncomplicated movesets and non-hp based gameplay are alien concepts to most tournament fighter players that make it fair game for everyone who plays it. They see it as taking minimal skill to master, so the game isn't worthy of their time (because they get their asses kicked at it half the time).

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And then one Final Smash later, we'd be even again.Eponique

Blue shells didn't save you in Mario Kart :oops:

Was Brawl really that "simplified" or different from Melee?

I honestly haven't played much of Brawl, but for the most part I thought it was similar with new levels, characters and some new features. I loved Melee though, it was amazing, I just played enough of Brawl to know I love it too, but it's been a while, and nowhere near the play time I put into Melee.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And then one Final Smash later, we'd be even again.charizard1605

Blue shells didn't save you in Mario Kart :oops:

The Pity Smashes won't trigger if items are turned off and set to none. In addition, the Pity Smash only triggers once someone falls 5 points behind the current leader in a match. Because tournaments play 3 stock matches, its impossible to trigger a Pity Smash in a tournament setting because the losing player will never fall 5 points behind.

Hey, Charizard. Can you do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8

No, you can't. Go ahead and try it.

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Its not very deep, even with Melee you had you rely on glitches to be a pro player.mexicangordo

Hey, Charizard. Can you do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXgpGBbh5r8

No, you can't. Go ahead and try it.

ActionRemix

Many people in the competitive fighting community don't like it because it is so simplified and has an incredibly low skill ceiling.

I also think its kind of dumb how there are several characters that are utterly worthless and couldn't ever win in a competitve tournament (such as Jigglypuff)

BPoole96