Steam OS Announced!

Sorry for the very noobish question, but what maching do I need? To play STEAMOS games?? Thanks.

IS THE STEAM OS GOING TO HAVE HALF LIFE 3??

NO? Then i'll stick to steam on a gaming PC...

Sorry for the very noobish question, but what maching do I need? To play STEAMOS games?? Thanks.

outworld222

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

Sorry for the very noobish question, but what maching do I need? To play STEAMOS games?? Thanks.

adamosmaki

Another possibility that I thought of:

Kinthalis

The reason for "to the metal" of consoles is because of fixed hardware. A developer knows exactly what kind of GPU, CPU, RAM every player will have and will optimize his game around that combination of hardware. On a PS4 game when he designs a level he doesn't have to go "I have to make sure this runs on those PS4 with 2 GB RAM too."

You can't do that on PC. You have to target a range of hardware and a crazy combination from different manufactures. You have to make it run on 2GB and 8 GB RAM, 280gtx and titan. You will never have that console like optimization on PC. Is the trade off you get for an open system so you need an API to standardize that mess somehow. 

Another possibility that I thought of:

 

A main issue that people always bring up is the lack of direct access to the GPU that develoeprs have in terms of the CPU. It's what consoel gamers always harp on "writing to the metal" not that nay of them understands what that actually means.

But regardless, since this is Steam's OS, it's entirely possible that they could mess with the GPU stack in such a way as to get the best of both worlds: An API that is flexible enough to accomodate various different hardware, AND optimized/open enough to allow CPU-like communicaiton at least for certain critical tasks that would normally have a lot of overhead on windows + DX.

 

It could mean parity in terms of performance between consoles and PC, as well the possibility of some really cool things coming out of creative, skilled developers, becase of it's open source nature.

 

Imagine the likes of indies on PC having near full access of the hardware as they do on consoles, but without having to spend the millions it takes to build a successful game there!

Kinthalis

What we need is a SteamOS device that is less that $100 and includes a wireless controller and USB ports for mouse and keyboard support. The whole thing would be specifically for streaming games and accessing your PC library from your living room. I would happily part with my cash for that.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Another possibility that I thought of:

 

A main issue that people always bring up is the lack of direct access to the GPU that develoeprs have in terms of the CPU. It's what consoel gamers always harp on "writing to the metal" not that nay of them understands what that actually means.

But regardless, since this is Steam's OS, it's entirely possible that they could mess with the GPU stack in such a way as to get the best of both worlds: An API that is flexible enough to accomodate various different hardware, AND optimized/open enough to allow CPU-like communicaiton at least for certain critical tasks that would normally have a lot of overhead on windows + DX.

 

It could mean parity in terms of performance between consoles and PC, as well the possibility of some really cool things coming out of creative, skilled developers, becase of it's open source nature.

 

Imagine the likes of indies on PC having near full access of the hardware as they do on consoles, but without having to spend the millions it takes to build a successful game there!

lowe0

The hell?  Did I even mention you, you idiot?

Also:

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Another possibility that I thought of:

edidili

The reason for "to the metal" of consoles is because of fixed hardware. A developer knows exactly what kind of GPU, CPU, RAM every player will have and will optimize his game around that combination of hardware. On a PS4 game when he designs a level he doesn't have to go "I have to make sure this runs on those PS4 with 2 GB RAM too."

You can't do that on PC. You have to target a range of hardware and a crazy combination from different manufactures. You have to make it run on 2GB and 8 GB RAM, 280gtx and titan. You will never have that console like optimization on PC. Is the trade off you get for an open system so you need an API to standardize that mess somehow. 

That is part of it. But there are, possibly, huge gains to be made by tlaking to the GPU as it were a CPU. Stuff that isn't even possible on consoles.

In fact, Valve has managed to improve performance of games like Left 4 dead 2 on Linux up to 80% vs windows. Pretty good.

Well there goes Gio's entire plasma tv arguement.

PC now has the living room locked down. No matter what. 

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm well aware of what the term means. Do you ever get tired of pretending you must be superior to everyone else?Kinthalis

The hell?  Did I even mention you, you idiot?

Hilariously I think he was writing a reply to me in another thread but somehow posted that in this one :lol:.

What we need is a SteamOS device that is less that $100 and includes a wireless controller and USB ports for mouse and keyboard support. The whole thing would be specifically for streaming games and accessing your PC library from your living room. I would happily part with my cash for that.

Timstuff

Well there goes Gio's entire plasma tv arguement.

 

PC now has the living room locked down. No matter what. 

Jankarcop

More like a lazy fix. Now you get a bastardized media PC that pretends to be a console that ignores the advantages of either side :?

Well there goes Gio's entire plasma tv arguement.

 

PC now has the living room locked down. No matter what. 

Jankarcop

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Another possibility that I thought of:

 

A main issue that people always bring up is the lack of direct access to the GPU that develoeprs have in terms of the CPU. It's what consoel gamers always harp on "writing to the metal" not that nay of them understands what that actually means.

But regardless, since this is Steam's OS, it's entirely possible that they could mess with the GPU stack in such a way as to get the best of both worlds: An API that is flexible enough to accomodate various different hardware, AND optimized/open enough to allow CPU-like communicaiton at least for certain critical tasks that would normally have a lot of overhead on windows + DX.

 

It could mean parity in terms of performance between consoles and PC, as well the possibility of some really cool things coming out of creative, skilled developers, becase of it's open source nature.

 

Imagine the likes of indies on PC having near full access of the hardware as they do on consoles, but without having to spend the millions it takes to build a successful game there!

Kinthalis

The hell?  Did I even mention you, you idiot?

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

OK. I suspected this would happen. This is great news. 

I tested Ubuntu 13.04 with Steam the other day ... bar entering one line into the command line interface - everything worked perfectly. 

But what Steam on Linux needs moving forward is native support for games. My steam list suffers a 90% cull if I only view the Linux titles. Plus why isn't Doom³, an ID Software game - linux enthusiasts, why isn't that Linux supported? :S

Ah well. They can only improve. Great that for the poor or anti-MS they have a PC option which unshackles gaming from windows (though at a ~90% cull)

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

GarGx1

Exactly. All the crap this guy typed out. Valve e.t.c...

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] I'm well aware of what the term means. Do you ever get tired of pretending you must be superior to everyone else?lowe0

The hell?  Did I even mention you, you idiot?

I said "not that many of them..."  Or that's what I meant to say, the ent swallowed my letters.

How about you ask for clarificaiton next time instead of assumign things and acting like a dick.

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

GarGx1

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

GarGx1

I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?locopatho

3 parts son. And if like me you have a huge pc, it's great news. If I want to play with the pad in the living room i can just use the magical valve dongle rather than carrying 30lb downstair or using a 20 foot HDMI cable.

I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?locopatho

It can play Linux based games but those are rather few. Granted support will obviously rise.

One problem I can see arising if this takes off is developers using the Steambox as target hardware instead of the usual mid-range PCs. We still don't know if the Steambox will be fixed hardware or upgradeable though. If it's upgradeable then it sounds like it'll be a far cry from the living room plug & play replacement due to all the problems that will stem from switching hardware, installing drivers, etc. If it's fixed then Steamboxes will be outdated just as soon as regular consoles.

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

wiiutroll

This gives me a headache just by reading it.. Did I say read it? I meant TRYING to read it.

I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?locopatho

Well, they are saying that you would be able to play SOME games natively. Specificlaly, I'm guessing anything developed with SteamOS in mind, and possbly anythign that can run on OpenGL.

I mean, isn't that what console gamers are going to do this upcoming gen?  If they buy a PS4, they only get PS4 games from that point on.

It would suck if that's the situation with SteamOS, and it might not be. But yeah, it's likely that this is going to be the case.

Basically, people are tyring to compare this to a console and Valve attempting to appeal to the console demographic.  This might be the case with the other 2 announcements, but this particular one is clearly aimed at the core PC gaming market. People like me.

This is about people who already have gaming PC's and like to game on their PC's, but would also like to occasionally do some PC gmaing on the TV. This gives me a way to build a thin client for my TV, without having to worry about windows. 

It's niche, but only for now. Once third party manufacturers create hardware with this embdded OS, more options, for more mainstream customers might appear.

For example, smart TVs that cna stream games from your laptop/tablet, Roku-like devices that can do the same. And int he future, who knows? Dell/HPetc branded small form factor HTPC's with SteamOs for cheap, capable of playign games, and maybe even stream not only media, but a desktop OS to a "dumb" terminal.

I can see families doing that - having one main computing device that enhances mobile paltforms vs going the traditional desktop PC.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?whiskeystrike

It can play Linux based games but those are rather few. Granted support will obviously rise.

One problem I can see arising if this takes off is developers using the Steambox as target hardware instead of the usual mid-range PCs. We still don't know if the Steambox will be fixed hardware or upgradeable though. If it's upgradeable then it sounds like it'll be a far cry from the living room plug & play replacement due to all the problems that will stem from switching hardware, installing drivers, etc. If it's fixed then Steamboxes will be outdated just as soon as regular consoles.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?Kinthalis

Well, they are saying that you would be able to play SOME games natively. Specificlaly, I'm guessing anything developed with SteamOS in mind, and possbly anythign that can run on OpenGL.

I mean, isn't that what console gamers are going to do this upcoming gen?  If they buy a PS4, they only get PS4 games from that point on.

It would suck if that's the situation with SteamOS, and it might not be. But yeah, it's likely that this is going to be the case.

Basically, people are tyring to compare this to a console and Valve attempting to appeal to the console demographic.  This might be the case with the other 2 announcements, but this particular one is clearly aimed at the core PC gaming market. People like me.

This is about people who already have gaming PC's and like to game on their PC's, but would also like to occasionally do some PC gmaing on the TV. This gives me a way to build a thin client for my TV, without having to worry about windows. 

It's niche, but only for now. Once third party manufacturers create hardware with this embdded OS, more options, for more mainstream customers might appear.

I hope they release this by the weekend, would have some time to have a play with it. 

first thing to do is

sudo rm /

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

wiiutroll

Did you miss this part while skimming my post?

"Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free"

Also 30% of 2 billion PC in use by 2014, means there are quite a few that are more powerful than the PS4 or Xbox One.

It's first step into a multi-billion dollar industry and it's going to take a long time for them to nail it down but I beleive that, with the right incentive to developers for both gaming and appilcations, they will get there. You do know that Valve offer more than games on Steam these days?

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

When Steam launched all it had were Valve games and a handful of other supporters and we hated it. 11 years on and it dominates the digital download market with an estimated 50 - 70% market share and around 5 million concurrent users at any one time.

They are doing the same again, only this time they are promoting a free OS specifically designed with living room gaming in mind. They are going to come into all kinds of flak from haters and naysayers. Give it time and I'll guarantee that with in a couple of years SteamOS will be a standard operating system used for gaming and home entertainment happily embraced by developers who are already largely annoyed by MS and their futile attempts to lock down PC games development. (Vista and windows 8)

This is just a first step, it will not be that long before many of us are dual booting our PC's with windows and SteamOS (many people already do with Windows and Linux). As it develops, eventually lots home PC's will be sole booting from SteamOS without a Windows installation being needed at all. It's going to take years to get to that stage, it's probably extremely unlikely that it will make a dent in the use of windows in businesses. Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free. Linux lacks focus and can be a pain to use but with Valve (and Google) seeing the value in it, it could gain the corporate know how and direction it sorely requires.

All in this could be the shake up that the home operating system market, almost entirely monopolised by MS, needs.

GarGx1

Did you miss this part while skimming my post?

"Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free"

Also 30% of 2 billion PC in use by 2014, means there are quite a few that are more powerful than the PS4 or Xbox One.

It's first step into a multi-billion dollar industry and it's going to take a long time for them to nail it down but I beleive that, with the right incentive to developers for both gaming and appilcations, they will get there. You do know that Valve offer more than games on Steam these days?

I hope they release this by the weekend, would have some time to have a play with it. 

first thing to do is

sudo rm /

psymon100

Um.. I have no use for this...  Not with a 11mb download speed any way.  I doubt that would be good enough to stream PC games in HD.  So I guess one of the next few announcements is going to be a SteamBox? 

Crossel777

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

I hope they release this by the weekend, would have some time to have a play with it. 

first thing to do is

sudo rm /

ShadowriverUB

Yeah that's right. I forgot. At least I remembered to

mkdir ~/.pr0n

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"] but your data doesn't count for the fact that pc are use more then gaming and if 70% doesn't have specs of ps4 a or xbone then it's means they bought pc not for only gaming as well as someone of them having a chance of sharing pc and i fail to see what you are talking will come about

wiiutroll

Did you miss this part while skimming my post?

"Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free"

Also 30% of 2 billion PC in use by 2014, means there are quite a few that are more powerful than the PS4 or Xbox One.

It's first step into a multi-billion dollar industry and it's going to take a long time for them to nail it down but I beleive that, with the right incentive to developers for both gaming and appilcations, they will get there. You do know that Valve offer more than games on Steam these days?

Oh dear, you really don't know what you're on about, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

http://www.zdnet.com/20-great-years-of-linux-and-supercomputers-7000018681/

You don't get much more 'industry' than that

or for the more 'normal' industry usage, if this is what you're infering to

http://www.linux.com/directory/Software/applications

Anywhere that people use work stations, you will find Linux running the machines, especially where power and stability are needed. Yes your average office administrator and home user are running a version of windows, including just about everyone who frequents these forums, but the big boys use Linux.

I won't use this until the majority of games are on linux.

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

Did you miss this part while skimming my post?

"Linux already offers many applications comparable to MS Office etc. and they are almost entirely free"

Also 30% of 2 billion PC in use by 2014, means there are quite a few that are more powerful than the PS4 or Xbox One.

It's first step into a multi-billion dollar industry and it's going to take a long time for them to nail it down but I beleive that, with the right incentive to developers for both gaming and appilcations, they will get there. You do know that Valve offer more than games on Steam these days?

GarGx1

Oh dear, you really don't know what you're on about, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

http://www.zdnet.com/20-great-years-of-linux-and-supercomputers-7000018681/

You don't get much more 'industry' than that

or for the more 'normal' industry usage, if this is what you're infering to

http://www.linux.com/directory/Software/applications

Anywhere that people use work stations, you will find Linux running the machines, especially where power and stability are needed. Yes your average office administrator and home user are running a version of windows, including just about everyone who frequents these forums, but the big boys use Linux.

/done

Half Life 3 exclusive to Steam OS.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

The hell?  Did I even mention you, you idiot?

Kinthalis

I said "not that many of them..."  Or that's what I meant to say, the ent swallowed my letters.

How about you ask for clarificaiton next time instead of assumign things and acting like a dick.

Half Life 3 exclusive to Steam OS.

 JangoWuzHere

That's crossed my mind. A timed exclusive. Why not?

Technically the only people it hurts are those who can't figure out how to run SteamOS, but they're probably quite busy figuring out how their underpants work too. 

[QUOTE="GarGx1"]

[QUOTE="wiiutroll"]they are use business, jobs which you don't account for.Believe or not high end pc are use more then gaming and that people are not interested in it. They don't have industry standard appilcations.

wiiutroll

Oh dear, you really don't know what you're on about, do you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

http://www.zdnet.com/20-great-years-of-linux-and-supercomputers-7000018681/

You don't get much more 'industry' than that

or for the more 'normal' industry usage, if this is what you're infering to

http://www.linux.com/directory/Software/applications

Anywhere that people use work stations, you will find Linux running the machines, especially where power and stability are needed. Yes your average office administrator and home user are running a version of windows, including just about everyone who frequents these forums, but the big boys use Linux.

/done

I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?locopatho

What if it's a $50 dongle that you connect to your TV? Powered by SteamOS with nothing but the streaming capability. Kind of like the Chromecast. That would be freaking HUGE! Yeah I know you can just connect your PC to your TV but for most people that's not really convenient. But with a cheap dongle that streams from your PC, one of the major console advantages goes out of the window.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]I don't understand this. It can't actually run games, just stream them from an actual PC? What's the point of that? I mean it's not awful but it's not exactly a megaton either is it?nunovlopes

What if it's a $50 dongle that you connect to your TV? Powered by SteamOS with nothing but the streaming capability. Kind of like the Chromecast. That would be freaking HUGE! Yeah I know you can just connect your PC to your TV but for most people that's not really convenient. But with a cheap dongle that streams from your PC, one of the major console advantages goes out of the window.

extra post that was useless because the stupid window didn't update the text I wrote in it.

Another linux distrobution, exactly what the linux community needs, instead of one solid OS another one specializing in something else.

In all seriousness I'm kind of upset they diddn't just leverage Ubuntu or something. The linux community really needs to focus on what it has and making that package the best possible package you can get. What you end up with is piles of linux's that are almost as good as windows. And even then some features are split up across different libraries to try to make a fully encompasing system.

I love the kernel, I hate all the developers behind the desktops on linux. I'll stick with windows.