Sp it's right next to the new gen. Who won in HD console sales?

The new gen has already been here for almost a year now....

how will anyone ever know?

sony has hidden their sales numbers for the last 3 years.

How does it matter anymore?

You don;t look outside of System Wars often do you?

Outside of System Wars is where no one cares; forums like this are the only places where anyone gives a damn.

they're about the same

Weren't there quite a few articles starting PS3 outsold 360 like a year ago?

Not that it matters. 360 did a great job gaining market share and its obviously a close race between the two systems.

I don't know I heard PS3 passed 360.

I could believe that since most people I talk to nowadays have PS3's

If you want to compare sales to wonder who "won" the war, then you should at least wait until they're discontinued.

Also, why does this concern you? Is it supposed to indicate how many players have played the system? What about systems with RROD? A lot of users bought a new console, so there are a lot of duplicate users, and thus the sales don't represent how many unique people played. Also, what about consoles shared between families? These are simple examples, and there are many more that could be applied to both Sony and Microsoft.

Finally, if it is about how much profit they made, then it should be about exactly this - profit. This will need to account for how much their system sold + manufacturing price. If you really wanted to be accurate, then you'd need to take into account how much they spent internally.

My point, looking at the final number "sales", is hardly representative of whatever you're concerned about, especially since the numbers between Sony and Microsoft are so close.

Its not big difference, but PS3 already outsold the 360 in terms of hardware

In terms of software, 360 are a lot more than PS3

Only lemmings can't accept this fact

Proof?

the difference is to small for anyone to claim "ownage," Actually claiming "ownage" for console sales is stupid and only something done on the internet. In real life people don't care because it's not their money.

LOL please! It has been confirmed time after time the 360 won both hardware and software wars.

Nobody can provide definitive proof because Sony started combining PS3 sales with PS2 sales in their reports to make their sales numbers appear higher than they actually are. Any article you find that says that PS3 has passed up Xbox 360 in sales is using sales numbers of PS3 sales combined with PS2 sales because that is the only thing that Sony reports.

To me, the fact that Sony had to do that is proof enough that they are still in last place because if they actually were winning, they would not have to hide their actual sales numbers. Microsoft is completely open about their sales numbers.

Microsoft recently announced that they have sold 80 million Xbox 360 consoles, while Sony has not announced anything about how many PS3 consoles have been sold. Now, think about that for a second, this is Sony we are talking about. Sony has never been a modest company. Remember how much they used to brag about how PS2 was outselling the competition every chance they got? Why aren't they bragging anymore? Why aren't they even announcing their sales numbers anymore?

If PS3 ever does eventually pass up Xbox 360 in sales, I guarantee that Sony will make an announcement to brag about it, but they haven't done that yet because they are still embarrassed that they are in last place, so they continue to hide their actual PS3 sales numbers and hope that their cheap trick of combing PS3 sales with PS2 sales will fool people into thinking that PS3 has outsold Xbox 360. The sad thing is that their cheap trick appears to have worked on some people.

They're close enough to hold hands at this point.

PS3 in sales, but Xbox 360 seized a sizable chunk of the market, which in the previous gen Sony dominated. And to achieve superior sales Sony had to lose a lot of money, a lot more than MS did. It was a console arms race. MS is still in good shape but Sony is nearing insolvency.

Who said anything about it ended with a new gen? That makes zero sense.

source

Basically MS lost $3 billion since the launch of the Xbox 360, Sony lost $5 billion on the PS3.
http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/07/xbox-360-and-ps3-losses-total-8-billion-ex-sony-employee-paints-grim-future/

I'd call that an arms race, I think the focus isn't to have a highly profitable business in the immediate but to dominate and shape the market for total control for years, something that can be much more profitable down the road by controller the hub of home entertainment. I figure that's why they're willing to lose money.

I meant for the sales

Fail thread for including "HD" when we all know the Wii won.

Despite Sony willing to release concrete info it's kind of accepted the sold "more" without a doubt. However, they lost a large chunk of market.

I don't have any sources but If you think about it, it shouldn't be hard to see why the ps3 won. The Xbox brand is strongest only in the USA but everywhere else Sony products are more popular. Then again the USA is the largest market for video games...

Whether I'm right or not, based on that I think Sony won. And then there is that whole shipped vs sold debate which further complicates things.

Sony count PS2 sales which sell a lot in developing countries and the 360 sold 80m a month before ps3 + the ps2 sales from 2007 - 2013 did

i'd say Sony won but they lost a lot of marketshare. Not a problem though because it looks like they are gonna gain it all back now with MS screw ups and WiiU being a flop.