Sony snowflake regulations causing games to be redesigned from ground up...Sony PlayStation is now the kiddy console...

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#1  Edited By deactivated-5f4e2292197f1
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This is worst than Nintendo because back then there was no body of people who regulated shit, but that is why the ESRB was created, and despite them being ones who are suppose to safeguard children from harm, Sony is taking upon themselves to censor games beyond normalcy, talking lunacy.

In fact, we already know of games censored on PS4 but not Switch at Sony's request, and now making people completely censor their whole game despite Nintendo completely fine with original form. Switch has no problems despite Nintendo's still family oriented company values. The only thing that's changed is that Sony's new corporate values are all now anti-consumer and abuse power.

I hate to sound doom and cliche, but compared to the rest, they are what Nintendo was in 90's, the lame kiddie console, yet in 90's PlayStation was hip and cool, and it sucks that Nintendo is more cool than PlayStation, say that out loud, Nintendo is more hip, more cool and way more accepting of mature content than Sony PlayStation.

Not to mention, Sony doesn't want you playing on Xbox or Switch, despite fact Xbox and Switch are becoming even closer pals with Xbox set to announce Xbox Live on Switch at GDC, not to mention you earn achievements in Minecraft on Switch, not to mention all the crossplay games between them. Even Xbox taken it even further by completely integrating their Xbox onto a PC so consumers have a choice.

When Steam started telling people no more sexy games, there was backlash and soon changed mind and let people put their games there. Sony doesn't give a shit about its users or else they would do the same thing.

If what Sony does is cool, and what people want in a PS5, then count me out. I rather be a loser with Switch and naked anime chicks and play my Xbox games on Switch and PC.

Censored Gaming - Sony Regulations Are Causing Games To Be Redesigned From Ground Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUxRvwrSx8

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#2 freedomfreak
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I've read about Sony censoring games. I don't like it.

But violence good, skin bad.

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@freedomfreak: Yeah that has been a trending subject over last year. In this case, Senran Kagura 7 is suppose to be exclusive and as anyone can see playing a Sony exclusive, they all have that snowflake sensibilities, which is what they are pushing onto this game, and what's lame about all of it, we're not talking localization for just Americans who love guns but not boobs, but they ruining the Japanese games for Japanese, who have complete opposite sensibilities I.E. boobs good, guns bad.

Basically everyone is pushing for these studios to stop putting on Sony and come to Switch, cause Nintendo isn't gonna dictate what their 3rd parties do.

I'm all for a liberal SJW PC future, but just cause women become full equals across the board in equal'ness in pay and respect, doesn't mean we go shut down all the strip clubs and frown upon adult entertainment. What are we, Christian Extremist like Westboro Baptist Church? Cause if I didn't know any better, I'd say they running Sony's PS4 division.

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Yeah it’s weird how when PS1 came out it made Nintendo look like a kiddy company but now it has completely flipped. I never imagined this from Sony

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#5  Edited By KungfuKitten
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It's like they are traveling back in time. This to me means more than just the decision itself. I may not want to buy the next one.

If a company decides to censor choice for adults... To me that's insulting. As if they're worried that even as adults we cannot be trusted to make our own decisions. They are nobody to me, I didn't vote for them, and I definitely don't acknowledge them as an authority.

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They're looking after the children lol.

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I am against any form of censorship as long as there is a way that clearly labels problematic content, which the ESRB does. Let the people decide what content they want to consome.

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@saltslasher said:

This is worst than Nintendo because back then there was no body of people who regulated shit, but that is why the ESRB was created, and despite them being ones who are suppose to safeguard children from harm, Sony is taking upon themselves to censor games beyond normalcy, talking lunacy.

In fact, we already know of games censored on PS4 but not Switch at Sony's request, and now making people completely censor their whole game despite Nintendo completely fine with original form. Switch has no problems despite Nintendo's still family oriented company values. The only thing that's changed is that Sony's new corporate values are all now anti-consumer and abuse power.

I hate to sound doom and cliche, but compared to the rest, they are what Nintendo was in 90's, the lame kiddie console, yet in 90's PlayStation was hip and cool, and it sucks that Nintendo is more cool than PlayStation, say that out loud, Nintendo is more hip, more cool and way more accepting of mature content than Sony PlayStation.

Not to mention, Sony doesn't want you playing on Xbox or Switch, despite fact Xbox and Switch are becoming even closer pals with Xbox set to announce Xbox Live on Switch at GDC, not to mention you earn achievements in Minecraft on Switch, not to mention all the crossplay games between them. Even Xbox taken it even further by completely integrating their Xbox onto a PC so consumers have a choice.

When Steam started telling people no more sexy games, there was backlash and soon changed mind and let people put their games there. Sony doesn't give a shit about its users or else they would do the same thing.

If what Sony does is cool, and what people want in a PS5, then count me out. I rather be a loser with Switch and naked anime chicks and play my Xbox games on Switch and PC.

Censored Gaming - Sony Regulations Are Causing Games To Be Redesigned From Ground Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUxRvwrSx8

Valve still (rightly) removes content that can be of questionable age when they pick up on it.

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Ahh yeah the good old we can show people being shot to pieces, but heavens forbid if we see a boob!

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#10 AJStyles
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This is a non-issue. What Sony is doing is a great thing. The only thing they are doing is censoring disgusting cartoon hentai/porn games from Japan.

The only people against this are sicko’s anyway. “Oh no, my Japanese Cartoon games featuring women who look underage have less cleavage and nudity now!”

Seriously, who cares except for the weirdos obsessed with Japanese Cartoon/hentai?

Get over it and grow up. Real life 3D adult women exist and you should try talking to them.

I am against unfair censorship which Sony has NOT done yet.

What Sony has done so far is not a bad thing at all. If I had children, I wouldn’t want them obsessing over Japanese Cartoons with girls who appear underage.

There is no argument you can use. Until Sony goes SJW and censors normal games, there is no reason to be upset.

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#11 SecretPolice
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They're not known worldwide as, Phony, the one and only for nutttin ya know? :P

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#12  Edited By deactivated-63d1ad7651984
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What year is it??

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Is there a list and what kind of censoring is it? If its shit like loli I wouldn't care but if its like how mortal kombat redesigned the characters that's pushing the line of censoring.

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I wish people know what "snowflake" actually means. It refers to a person who is over-sensitive towards certain issues under the sun.

Thinking about the issue of censorship, I can now understand why it is wrong. The main reason that nothing is learned from censoring things and censorship will eventually be ineffective in eliminating the things being censored. The censored things will be driven underground and thrive somewhere else where it is not subjected to censorship.

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Atleast the ps4 is getting these games i don't even think there on xbox. Talk about censorship get games xbox get games ffs and then if you censor them who knows. But not getting the game is worse

Who knows wtf xbox would do with these hentai games im betting censor them.

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#16  Edited By tormentos
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@vaidream45 said:

Yeah it’s weird how when PS1 came out it made Nintendo look like a kiddy company but now it has completely flipped. I never imagined this from Sony

Yeah Sega did that before sony, when MK featured blood on genesis and not on Snes.

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#17 Pedro
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Oh no! Sony is protecting their brand and doing what they think is best for their company. How evil and how awful.

Gamers are so dramatic.

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#18  Edited By pelvist
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This kind of censorship is very shitty but consoles are as good as toys that lots of kids play on. We wouldn't put violent and naked images up in the kids park so why allow that on consoles? Oh yeah, because it effects you. The rating system is really only there to protect the publisher, they know that adults will still buy age restricted games for their kids, that isn't going to change any time soon but if you have any better ideas then you'll probably make a lot of money if one of them is a good one that works for all.

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You're mad they censor kiddie hentai games?

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#20 Basinboy
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I understand Sony’s reasoning and their elective decision to disassociate themselves with certain content. Requiring censorship, however, is not the proper remedy, IMO.

I hope the market adapts and engineers a solution, whether that be curating a separate content platform or devising a distribution process that manufacturers deem acceptable.

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#21 Telekill
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Anyone remember that fatality in Mortal Kombat 3 where Baraka ripped off one of the boobs of a female character and beat her in the face with it mercilessly?

No?!

Censorship!

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#22 Vaidream45
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@tormentos: that’s true! Now that you mention it because snes censored MK1 and Sega snuck in the blood with the blood code SNES came out with the blood in MK2 shortly after. Ahhhh the good old days.

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#23 Nonstop-Madness
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Sony is publishing plenty of games that can easily be considered censorable content (somewhere).

Ex. The Last of Us 2 has a kissing scene between two teenager girls.

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The questions we need to ask are .... what are they censoring, and why are they censoring it?

It seems to be borderline hentai / edgy Japanese stuff. Yes, the ESRB exists but tons of businesses layer things on top of standard regulations.

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@fedor said:

You're mad they censor kiddie hentai games?

Yes, yes they are. That's why when I see people making topics like this I automatically assume they're a degenerate.

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TC is a snowflake.

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@saltslasher said:

@freedomfreak: Yeah that has been a trending subject over last year. In this case, Senran Kagura 7 is suppose to be exclusive and as anyone can see playing a Sony exclusive, they all have that snowflake sensibilities, which is what they are pushing onto this game, and what's lame about all of it, we're not talking localization for just Americans who love guns but not boobs, but they ruining the Japanese games for Japanese, who have complete opposite sensibilities I.E. boobs good, guns bad.

One interesting side-effect of Sony's heavy-handed censorship in Japan:

PC gaming is huge in Japan now! (unstoppable PC growth continue)

According to Famitsu, Japan now has 15 million PC gamers, a massive growth of 80% in just the last year. It's not too far behind the total number of console players (23 million, including handhelds) and already larger than the PS4 install base.

Seems like there are a lot of Japanese gamers who dislike the idea of Sony shoving American morals down their throats ("sexualized cartoons are disgusting, but extreme mass-murder violence porn is fuckin' awesome!") are turning their backs on the PS4 and jumping ship to the Switch and PC.

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@Jag85: Well PC+Switch combo is all you really need to be fair.

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Isnt the rating system on games intended to prevent certain audiences from gaining access to them?

I couldn't care less if some weirdo wants to whack his pud to Japanese porn cartoons.

Censorship is a slippery slope. Some issues may require it, but I would hope they are extreme. Cartoon bewbs hardly strike me as sinister.

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Don't see issues with this

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Yeah but isn't it kind of a quirky Japanese thing? Like when they blur vag out but allow tentacles.

Just crazy japs being crazy japs and people love it.

I don't think we need to project american outrage on them, just let them be themselves.

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#32  Edited By KungfuKitten
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@onesiphorus said:

I wish people know what "snowflake" actually means. It refers to a person who is over-sensitive towards certain issues under the sun.

Thinking about the issue of censorship, I can now understand why it is wrong. The main reason that nothing is learned from censoring things and censorship will eventually be ineffective in eliminating the things being censored. The censored things will be driven underground and thrive somewhere else where it is not subjected to censorship.

Well... that, and I think more importantly it's insane in the first place to decide what somebody else (who you do not know) will be able to play or watch or read. We, including Sony, do not have authority over what other people are allowed to think. And deciding what a person is allowed to see, is a direct (and as you point out often ineffective) attack on what the people are allowed to consider, to think. It's none of their/our business to meddle in what adults choose to enjoy (with only the most extreme cases like murder and other things in law, and practical reasons like page limitations in a newspaper being exceptions, and Sony is not in a position to write laws).

I understand it's *their* platform, but that mustn't mean they can control their customers or developers like that. IMO they are way out of bounds, in terms of ethical reasoning. (And so is Nintendo and MS when they do these things.) I can understand them giving developers advise, but I don't like the idea of them enforcing ideologies on the industry/the people like some kind of authority on censorship.

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@mandzilla said:

@Jag85: Well PC+Switch combo is all you really need to be fair.

Agreed.

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And? Just get a gaming PC you guys. I buy games on it that won't have effect on anything censorship with games like Senran Kagura, Hyperdimension Neptunia, Dead or Alive, & so on. There's a reason why consoles are not open-platforms.

PC/Nintendo Switch is the logical choice. (PS4 is a last resort to use such as RDR2 if you can put it like that)

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@uninspiredcup said:
@saltslasher said:

This is worst than Nintendo because back then there was no body of people who regulated shit, but that is why the ESRB was created, and despite them being ones who are suppose to safeguard children from harm, Sony is taking upon themselves to censor games beyond normalcy, talking lunacy.

In fact, we already know of games censored on PS4 but not Switch at Sony's request, and now making people completely censor their whole game despite Nintendo completely fine with original form. Switch has no problems despite Nintendo's still family oriented company values. The only thing that's changed is that Sony's new corporate values are all now anti-consumer and abuse power.

I hate to sound doom and cliche, but compared to the rest, they are what Nintendo was in 90's, the lame kiddie console, yet in 90's PlayStation was hip and cool, and it sucks that Nintendo is more cool than PlayStation, say that out loud, Nintendo is more hip, more cool and way more accepting of mature content than Sony PlayStation.

Not to mention, Sony doesn't want you playing on Xbox or Switch, despite fact Xbox and Switch are becoming even closer pals with Xbox set to announce Xbox Live on Switch at GDC, not to mention you earn achievements in Minecraft on Switch, not to mention all the crossplay games between them. Even Xbox taken it even further by completely integrating their Xbox onto a PC so consumers have a choice.

When Steam started telling people no more sexy games, there was backlash and soon changed mind and let people put their games there. Sony doesn't give a shit about its users or else they would do the same thing.

If what Sony does is cool, and what people want in a PS5, then count me out. I rather be a loser with Switch and naked anime chicks and play my Xbox games on Switch and PC.

Censored Gaming - Sony Regulations Are Causing Games To Be Redesigned From Ground Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUxRvwrSx8

Valve still (rightly) removes content that can be of questionable age when they pick up on it.

Yeah but they allow people to release the same game with basic censorship and studio sites offer patches to make it original. PS4 is making people change the game before release. A game is meant to have sexy girls, have to tone down the sexiness cause people who don't play aren't comfortable with the sexiness, that's asinine. Especially cause Sony been censoring games that are only in Japan, with completely different rules, where idol girls are beloved by everyone, shocker there not all 18. This might come as a shock to some, but Britney Spears was 17 in her first music video, calling Hit Me Baby One More Time as kiddie porn, you're fucking dumb af.

I just think these cows are laughable cause I never even played Japanese games til I got a PS4, but only PS4 gamers who don't care about censorship, and everyone else does. Which I feel they're all liars, and people just pretending they ain't mad just cause it makes Sony look pathetic.

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#36  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@saltslasher said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@saltslasher said:

This is worst than Nintendo because back then there was no body of people who regulated shit, but that is why the ESRB was created, and despite them being ones who are suppose to safeguard children from harm, Sony is taking upon themselves to censor games beyond normalcy, talking lunacy.

In fact, we already know of games censored on PS4 but not Switch at Sony's request, and now making people completely censor their whole game despite Nintendo completely fine with original form. Switch has no problems despite Nintendo's still family oriented company values. The only thing that's changed is that Sony's new corporate values are all now anti-consumer and abuse power.

I hate to sound doom and cliche, but compared to the rest, they are what Nintendo was in 90's, the lame kiddie console, yet in 90's PlayStation was hip and cool, and it sucks that Nintendo is more cool than PlayStation, say that out loud, Nintendo is more hip, more cool and way more accepting of mature content than Sony PlayStation.

Not to mention, Sony doesn't want you playing on Xbox or Switch, despite fact Xbox and Switch are becoming even closer pals with Xbox set to announce Xbox Live on Switch at GDC, not to mention you earn achievements in Minecraft on Switch, not to mention all the crossplay games between them. Even Xbox taken it even further by completely integrating their Xbox onto a PC so consumers have a choice.

When Steam started telling people no more sexy games, there was backlash and soon changed mind and let people put their games there. Sony doesn't give a shit about its users or else they would do the same thing.

If what Sony does is cool, and what people want in a PS5, then count me out. I rather be a loser with Switch and naked anime chicks and play my Xbox games on Switch and PC.

Censored Gaming - Sony Regulations Are Causing Games To Be Redesigned From Ground Up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NUxRvwrSx8

Valve still (rightly) removes content that can be of questionable age when they pick up on it.

Yeah but they allow people to release the same game with basic censorship and studio sites offer patches to make it original. PS4 is making people change the game before release. A game is meant to have sexy girls, have to tone down the sexiness cause people who don't play aren't comfortable with the sexiness, that's asinine. Especially cause Sony been censoring games that are only in Japan, with completely different rules, where idol girls are beloved by everyone, shocker there not all 18. This might come as a shock to some, but Britney Spears was 17 in her first music video, calling Hit Me Baby One More Time as kiddie porn, you're fucking dumb af.

I just think these cows are laughable cause I never even played Japanese games til I got a PS4, but only PS4 gamers who don't care about censorship, and everyone else does. Which I feel they're all liars, and people just pretending they ain't mad just cause it makes Sony look pathetic.

Steam use to censor games, now it happily allows fully nude/sex titles (see Love Vibe: Aria) They remove questionable age games with sex or heavily implied sex. Essentially "loli" games. A few sometimes get through the net, but if Valve becomes aware of it, they are gone.

And why wouldn't they? as a Steam user, and i'm sure pretty much everyone who isn't insane here agrees, I don't want that shit on the service.

There's abit of a distinction here between "being an overly zealous snowflake" and "not wanting pederfile content".

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Everyone agrees there needs to be some form of censorship for the things people create, cause people can think up some truly disgusting things. Not everyone is going to agree on where the line should be drawn and unless you're willing to go down the abyss of morals of what is right and wrong it's better to ere on the side of restraint than unrestrictiveness.