Sony REALLY needs to prove PSNow's worth

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#51 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@michaelmikado: So, when you argument failed and you moved the goalpost you now project that I am moving it when I was stating the facts your were ignoring. Nice try buddy, nice try.

Quit trying to slither out of it.

The original poster says PSNow isn't worth $20 when compared to upcoming offerings. How much are the upcoming offerings and what do you get for the price you will pay? Its a simply question.

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#52 Posted by Pedro (35378 posts) -

@michaelmikado said:

Quit trying to slither out of it.

The original poster says PSNow isn't worth $20 when compared to upcoming offerings. How much are the upcoming offerings and what do you get for the price you will pay? Its a simply question.

If you paid attention you would have known what I was responding to. I reckon you do but because you couldn't win that argument you goal post move. Its cute but not effective.

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#53 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@Pedro said:
@michaelmikado said:

Quit trying to slither out of it.

The original poster says PSNow isn't worth $20 when compared to upcoming offerings. How much are the upcoming offerings and what do you get for the price you will pay? Its a simply question.

If you paid attention you would have known what I was responding to. I reckon you do but because you couldn't win that argument you goal post move. Its cute but not effective.

I did pay attention, you started the conversation of using game count as a goalpost when the original post never mentions it.

So fine, I agree to play with the new goalpost by bringing it back to the ORIGINAL posters concerns of COST and you move the goalpost even farther by trying to completely ignore the concerns of COST that was in the original thread. You are ducking and dodging the cost question while simultaneously trying to trumpet a point the original poster never makes.

So again. How much is a subscription to 3500 games going to cost you??? What is the xCloud business model and how does it compare to PSNow???

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#54 Posted by Pedro (35378 posts) -

@michaelmikado said:

I did pay attention, you started the conversation of using game count as a goalpost when the original post never mentions it.

So fine, I agree to play with the new goalpost by bringing it back to the ORIGINAL posters concerns of COST and you move the goalpost even farther by trying to completely ignore the concerns of COST that was in the original thread. You are ducking and dodging the cost question while simultaneously trying to trumpet a point the original poster never makes.

So again. How much is a subscription to 3500 games going to cost you??? What is the xCloud business model and how does it compare to PSNow???

Why are you avoiding the points that I made that started this discourse? Is it because it doesn't fit you agenda? Is the only way out for you is to move the goal post?

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#55 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@Pedro:

What point am I avoiding?

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#56 Posted by Pedro (35378 posts) -
@michaelmikado said:

@Pedro:

What point am I avoiding?

1.Sony realized that they can't compete with Stadia and Xcloud thus the reason they are working with MS to improve their services. This is Sony, going to its competitors for assistance.

2.No amount of fanboy drivel can negate that fact. Both Xcloud and Stadia would be releasing in November with unprecedented device coverage and

3.Xcloud would be sporting 5 times the library of PSNow.

So, it is true that PSNow in its current state is not competitive for what is to come in November. The good news is that they are making changes to adapt to the situation.

My original response to you prior to your goal post moving. Very simple and clean. :)

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#57 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@Pedro said:
@michaelmikado said:

@Pedro:

What point am I avoiding?

1.Sony realized that they can't compete with Stadia and Xcloud thus the reason they are working with MS to improve their services. This is Sony, going to its competitors for assistance.

2.No amount of fanboy drivel can negate that fact. Both Xcloud and Stadia would be releasing in November with unprecedented device coverage and

3.Xcloud would be sporting 5 times the library of PSNow.

So, it is true that PSNow in its current state is not competitive for what is to come in November. The good news is that they are making changes to adapt to the situation.

My original response to you prior to your goal post moving. Very simple and clean. :)

None of which were in the Original post but let's play the game and what you snivel and slink away.

1) Sony uses and continues to use AWS and RackSpace. They will CONTINUE to use these services because they take the best hosting deal. Sony shopped around and MS offered the best deal. They will move to Google, or Amazon, or Azure or anybody they want to when they want to. They aren't getting Azure because they have no choice, there is an entire article about Sony going to Amazon to expand their deal, Amazon didn't want to drop their costs so they went to Microsoft. If MS wants to attempt to increase costs they go to Amazon or Google. They have the flexibility to play off of the competitors.

2)xCloud IS NOT RELEASING IN NOVEMBER YOU LYING FANBOY. They have a beta this year. That's all. They aren't releasing as a purchasable consumer product until 2020. Unless of course you are counting Console Streaming as "xCloud", which you explicitly said its not.

3)3500 hundred games is fantastic, at $200 a month or whatever it's going to cost. Is it a subscription model or a pay per game model?

This is the funniest part of this.

So, it is true that PSNow in its current state is not competitive for what is to come in November. The good news is that they are making changes to adapt to the situation.

What will be here in November??? Stadia is ONLY launching their Pro version in November with a total of 35 games....

xCloud won't even have a consumer option available, just a beta. And you STILLdon't know costs or business model of xCloud Azure servers even now.

Yet somehow, non-existent consumer products which will be unreleased in November or only a Pro tier which costs $10 a month, plus over $1500 to get all the available 35 games.. is somehow unable to compete IN NOVEMBER, to a streaming game service offering 800 games for $20 a month total.

Do you even read the stuff you are writing?

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#58 Posted by Pedro (35378 posts) -

@michaelmikado: My response had nothing to do with the original post.I was responding to you. You seem to be losing your cool their buddy.

  1. That's not a counter that's a confirmation of the facts.
  2. Xcloud is going to be available to the public October 29th not November and Stadia in November. So, yep I was wrong. Its going to be available sooner than later. :)
  3. That's not a counter that's a confirmation of the facts.

Facts Stadia and Xcloud would be available to the public by November, Sony doesn't have the infrastructure to compete and Xcloud will be sporting more games. I look forward to your follow up meltdown. :)

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#59 Posted by lamprey263 (36172 posts) -

Given that the annual cost averages less than $10/month they should just have a recurring monthly charge of that. Also, downloading titles and not streaming would do a lot for me.

But they have no need to improve, the gaming world hails their lead as current gen console king, their fanboys are rabid Russian troll farms echoing it in all ranges of the obnoxious spectrum. They don't have to do anything but take shits and wait for the gaming world to say "thank you Sony".

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#60 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@Pedro said:

@michaelmikado: My response had nothing to do with the original post.I was responding to you. You seem to be losing your cool their buddy.

  1. That's not a counter that's a confirmation of the facts.
  2. Xcloud is going to be available to the public October 29th not November and Stadia in November. So, yep I was wrong. Its going to be available sooner than later. :)
  3. That's not a counter that's a confirmation of the facts.

Facts Stadia and Xcloud would be available to the public by November, Sony doesn't have the infrastructure to compete and Xcloud will be sporting more games. I look forward to your follow up meltdown. :)

There's no meltdown. You are comparing an unreleased tech demo to a fully released consumer product. I'll skip the theatrics and ask you again.

On October 29th (or November), how much with xCloud cost me to purchase and use the full product. What games can I play DAY ONE on October 29th (or November). What is the business model, what am I paying for. In November.

So, lets make an avatar bet. On October 29th, I will be able to use xCloud to play any of the 3500 games they have. Period. Is this correct? Yes or No?

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#61 Edited by xantufrog (11608 posts) -

@daniel_su123:

First of all, PSNow is $8.33 a month. It's only $20 a month for one-off subscriptions.

Second, I would like to see evidence it is struggling against the competition. Seems to me the ball is in the competition's court to prove itself, not the other way around. None of the competition has established itself in the way you describe - or offers the "sick" bundles you put forth (Office? Really? You think MS is going to bundle games streaming with Office 365? If it does, it certainly won't be for $8.33 a month - Gamepass alone is already more expensive than that...)

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#62 Posted by xantufrog (11608 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

Also, downloading titles and not streaming would do a lot for me.

Just as a heads up - you can now. They changed that a while back.

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#63 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10468 posts) -

Why do people always use PSNows monthly price instead of the yearly like they do with PS Plus? Ones $99(I think), ones $60. PSNow was just on sale for $60 and PS Plus can be easily found at $40-$45.

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#64 Posted by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@joshrmeyer said:

Why do people always use PSNows monthly price instead of the yearly like they do with PS Plus? Ones $99(I think), ones $60. PSNow was just on sale for $60 and PS Plus can be easily found at $40-$45.

Agreed, but for the sake of not getting into discussions about free trials and $1 dealz I prefer to go by the listed max price which is still crazy value for $20 and not owning a PS4, PS3, or PS2. I've never got to play Dark Cloud or Rogue Galaxy and since I can download them I remote play the heck out of them to my iPhone/iPad.

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#65 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10468 posts) -

@michaelmikado: I just finished reading the thread and you make some good points. I just found it weird that people use the monthly price with PS Now but yearly with PS Plus. I guess it's usually to fit their narrative.

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#66 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10468 posts) -

@xantufrog: Hey bundling 365 with their streaming games service will help their gaming division revenue a lot. Kind of like adding surface tablets to their gaming division. Gotta fluff the numbers somehow lol.

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#67 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (25449 posts) -
@cainetao11 said:

@daniel_su123: I believe Sony realized this. They have signed on with the Azure servers because that Gaikai shit sucked and they need a real server bank for any type of future in a possible streaming world.

This is good. Their current servers are just awful. Once they make the switch, I may try it again for Bloodborne.

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#68 Edited by michaelmikado (383 posts) -

@DragonfireXZ95:

Ignoring the fact that Gaikai is a service which holds software patents, not physical servers. PSNow performance on PS4 games and large depends on what you’re playing. Playing PS4 games streaming is bare minimum technically playable but not very enjoyable. Oddly enough Street Fighter seems to run well streaming.

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#69 Posted by lundy86_4 (53598 posts) -

With the quality i'm getting from PC Game Pass, i'm having a great time. It needs fleshing out some more, but it means I get to play Shenmue 1 and 2, as well as Metro Exodus, Forza, Hollow Knight, Recore, Unavowed, and Void Bastards for $1 for the first month and $6 going forward.

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#70 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (25449 posts) -
@michaelmikado said:

@DragonfireXZ95:

Ignoring the fact that Gaikai is a service which holds software patents, not physical servers. PSNow performance on PS4 games and large depends on what you’re playing. Playing PS4 games streaming is bare minimum technically playable but not very enjoyable. Oddly enough Street Fighter seems to run well streaming.

Yeah, I only tried Bloodborne and it was sort of playable, but I found the laggy inputs for much of the combat made it harder than it really is. That's the only game I really tried. Grabbed the 14 day free trial or whatever it was and played it on my PC.