Sony is about to sell PC business - UPDATE SOLD!

And when Sony doesn't go bankrupt, and when the Playstation 4 brand is completely unaffected, I'm sure you'll be here to remind us of your predictions as well, right?

I remember buying some Sony Trinitron aperture-grille CRT monitors a decade and a half ago. They were pretty good. But those from Mitsubishi were better. That was the extent of Sony in my PC world.

The z1s kicks ass I love it and tmobile's network is fast even works in the subway. The camera is sick also.

Nothing was lost, their laptops were overpriced for what you go, complete waste of money.

The domino effect of failures continues for Sony, they can't catch a break.

and sony have to pay to microsoft for windows license and android patent :D

The bulk of the money would go to the company who makes the Blu-Ray drive. There are a LOT more companies associated with Blu-ray Disc Association, so if anything the company who sold the device probably puts a % of the sales into BDA. Microsoft isn't paying Sony.

Microsoft just made $6.5 billion in net profit this last quarter. Both Sony & Microsoft will lose at least a billion with the PS4 & XB1 for the first year. Sony just lost $1.10 billion for 2013's fiscal year. Kaz is running around is office going ape shit right about now. His so called HDTV Strategy his put in place last year failed.

Go on and read all about it. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-06/sony-forecasts-annual-loss-as-hirai-turnaround-stalls-on-tvs.html

just out of curiosity who the hell would buy the vaio name?

and why?

i have literally never seen one in use outside a sony pictures movie.

you know who uses vaio?

spiderman, alice from resident evil and the men in black.

that's their entire user base.

i mean sure you get points for star power but how is your company going to make profit from that? maybe because those vaios are always getting destroyed by supervillians, zombies and aliens?

is that really a sustainable business plan?

Steam and Kickstarter says hey.

@blackace:

Microsoft makes no profit though from the Xbox brand. Its always been one of their biggest losses. How much longer do you think this trend can continue before they just say **** it?

@Riverwolf007: Don't forget James bond

I still think they have life in them. Maybe its because I saw IBM go from 300+ to 60. But, this company will rebound.

Its for the best because PC's as a whole are a sinking ship. They still have their place but anymore only way you make money is by selling shit ass computers for dirt cheap at k-mart or walmart in bulk to make a little cash, or you sell super high end PCs at insane prices to a smaller select group. The days of a good variety of well built mid range PC's is mostly gone aside from like dell. Tablets are taking over and laptops still make a dent in the market.

Sony probably sold it because it was doing them no good at all. They made good products but they never could crack the market

They could fix everything with one simple move. Hire upper management from their technical employees like they used.

All of sonys biggest innovations from the Walkman to the ps2 were all created by upper management that were promoted from like their tech gurus, R&D people and so on. That's what kept them on top was hiring from within and putting people in positions of power that actually understood how things worked. They started getting shakey once they started putting money men in upper management because they knew nothing of making things all they knew was money.

Just like Microsoft has gone to shit ever since gates stopped being so involved, and apple used to be innovative till jobs die and so on. When companies start being run by guys who only know and care about money their products suffer.

Makes sense, probably why the new Microsoft CEO has asked Gates to get a lot more involved.

Lets hope Sony pulls things together. They have a great gaming division.

That's what you get for overpricing products.

I think Sony products are some of the best, including the Vaio, I have some Sony tech and while it is more expensive than others it is still really really good. That is where they are hurting though, they cost more for the same outcome, though I buy Sony because I like the brand, for me it is quality.

they're getting rid of TVs too, saw it coming but not this soon

Lems (later): "Okay, okay. So the date of Sony's super-inevitable demise didn't happen as soon as we expected. But just you wait! It's gonna happen! Cherish those PS4 games while you can!" **makes 752nd update to scheduled date of Sony's downfall**

"Regarding changes to Sony's TV division, the most dramatic news is that Sony will spin off its TV business and operate it as a wholly owned subsidiary. This transition, aiming to help Sony "further enhance its TV business' profit," is expected to be complete by July 2014.

The newly formed TV unit will "shift its product mix" to focus on sales from high-end TV models in the upcoming year. This includes strengthening Sony's 4K lineup, while also bolstering the company's 2K models. For emerging markets, Sony said it will develop and launch models "tailored to specific local needs," though no other details on this initiative were provided."

I know you guys hate freely, but at least read the information presented to you.

hey, you sound like a cow talking about when the ps3 is going to pass the 360 in sales. see :-p

Cows (later): "Okay, okay. So the date of Sony passing the XB360 in sales didn't happen as soon as we expected. But just you wait! It's gonna happen! Cherish those XB360s while you can!" **makes 752nd update to scheduled date to Sony's triumphant victory

Sony doomed confirmed. Oh wait nothing lost here they suck at making pc's and laptops.

Must have run out of building to sell.

This is what happens when a company is involved in too many markets. They need to focus on less than a handful of markets.

Yeah Sony has spread themselves too thin. They have the video game and movie sides making money but the rest in the red. I also think they make great home theater stuff (projectors,hdtv's,receivers) and the z1s is the best phone I have ever used.

If MS has blu-ray tech in their device, than they have to pay royalties to the Blu-Ray Disc Association which Sony is part of. So Sony gets a piece of every Xbone, even if it's a very small percentage, they still get SOMETHING.

That is what I'm trying to get at. That eventhough people on here keep siding with on company, that these companies actually work together in real life. So please, if you have any further arguments as to why Sony wouldn't get a piece, than continue this discussion. Otherwise, it's closed as far as I'm concerned and I will still consider it a funny fact.

That is all.

Yeah I know :p

I think that's rather funny. That people on here like to side with a company in this 'battle' of systems. Yet, in real life Sony pays MS and MS pays Sony for certain products :D

Bookmarked. Sure, but my story tells of different doom.

This is huge so I wouldn't downplay this. The already have the TV division marked for death. Sony needs capital to stay a float and these sales of divisions will help that.

Microsoft is lighting cigars with $100 bills yaw.

I have Sony Vaio VGN-FW45 laptop and I replace it with Samsung ATIV Book 8 (15 inch touch screen slim laptop with Radeon HD 8870M). At the time of purchase, Sony wasn't competitive enough.

There overall debt is higher than the current value of there company so they need to start selling assets really quickly.

@Murderstyle75: Microsoft broke even on the 360 in 2008 and has been all profit till now.

http://www.techpowerup.com/50729/microsofts-xbox-division-profitable-for-the-first-time-posts-524m-profit.html

Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division, the portion of the company responsible for the Xbox line of video game consoles, has brought in profits of over $500 million for the first time. Financial documents from Microsoft reveal that, during the first six months of the company's 2008 fiscal year, the entertainment division brought in $4.98 billion in revenue, marking an operating profit of $524 million. During the same time period in the 2007 fiscal year, the division amassed $3.98 billion in revenue but reported a loss of $423 million. Overall the company shipped 4.3 million Xbox 360 units in the quarter, adding up to 17.7 million since shipped launch, with a total of 9.15 million sold in North America. As previously reported, Microsoft reported the whole of its $1.06 billion loss due to the Xbox 360 warranty extension in its 2007 fiscal year.

@jhonMalcovich:

Cant blame them, PC sucks for them so better get rid of it:P

not quite.

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11#ixzz2sgikPYA2

"if you back out the Android profits, Microsoft is probably losing $2.5 billion on Skype, Xbox, and Windows Phone. Of that, $2 billion in losses are attributable to the Xbox platform."

sony would be smart to seel the PS hardware and just make games. If they made games for xbox, nintendo, and PC they would make much more money then they are making now as the PS hardware and PSN just cost them money. Hopefully they pull out of the rutt, but if the PS4 can't hit 150 million sales, I don't see them making a PS5

I lol'd

There PC division had never been profitable other than making right next to even maybe 4 times or something. They usually used other Consumer Electronic media to off-set the losses and combined them together. They should have moved out of Computers long ago. They should move out of Tablets as well. I remember then having issues in the computing field and then announcing a new Tablet line around 2 years ago or so. They never prepared either, they just though it would sell. I am not sure what they were thinking with that one.

Oddly I can't say the same for MS. I was, but their tablet according to their recent report doubled and they were only $39 million away from profit. Windows Phone is also doing better. With that being said, they are still selling the older lines and they need to be dropped because no one is buying them anymore. They also need to drop the conferencing devices.

Nintendo also needs to drop out of tablets. They lost insane amounts off it, and it had not made them any money. The fact you need to buy it with additional hardware to work makes things worse.

None of the consoles can give me Sol: Exodus, Baldur's Gate, Star Citizen, The Banner Saga, and on and on and on I go. Also can you mod Skyrim with any manner of spells, weapons, characters, or stories? Didn't think so. I can on my PC, and Steam coincidently makes it easy to add mods to the game. As far as not having those other games go on the PC, the number of exclusives on the PC far outweigh what I'm missing on consoles. Plus, the controls in PC games are far better than the controls on consoles. Case and point, Crysis on ps3 and 360 vs. pc. Played both console versions, and I can't tell you how frustrating it was trying to aim in an intense fire fight at point blank range. My aim was going all over the place with the analog aiming. In the PC version, I had no trouble aiming with the mouse. I felt I had more control because I was using my wrist instead of my thumb to aim. It didn't feel like driving a car rather than aiming a gun. Clearly PC gaming is superior to console gaming. It will never decline.

@psx_warrior:

Mouse = Easy mode.

mouse=greater control

meh, console gamers don't care about those games anyway. The port begging is usually from herms though, that should tell you something... Who in their right mind would trade GTAV to play thisor buy a $600 GPU to play this:

PC gaming really isn't that great except for how easy it is to pirate games. Which is why pirates love PC gaming and the reason PC lacks so many games that are only on consoles.

Good they needed to get rid of that anchor of a branch. It was terrible anyways.

That's a shame. I have a Sony Vaio and it is a good laptop. It's much better than my old HP laptop.

Microsoft's profits include the losses from the Xbox division. If they where going to pull the plug they would do it before releasing the Xbox One.

The difference is huge, Microsoft are making money. Sony are losing it hand over fist.

Put it this way if you had £1000 to invest would you invest it in Sony. Not a chance, no matter how good the PS4 will sell they wont see any money from it for 3-4 years at least.

Can they hold out that long, only time will tell.

I have a Vaio, and I gotta say, Samsung really has them beat in every aspect when it comes to non-gaming ultra-portables and 14-inches.

This is aimed at both you and @walloftruth :

Worthless opinions are worthless. Stop trying to pass them off as quantifiable facts or data to be used in a debate. Not one person here gives a horses ass what you think people "care about". The only way you can possibly have a chance in an intelligent fact based debate is if you combine all 3 consoles against PC.

http://systemwarsmagazine.com/gamespot-reviews-spreadsheet/

PS4 and XBONE are struggling to run multiplats as well as PC, and falling flat on their faces. The confirmed 729p and fps dipping in Titanfall has been nothing short of disastrous. TR:DE on PS4 couldn't even beat the old PC version according to DF. Thief 4 is going to be sub-par on the new "HD twins". WatchDogs and DS2 will likely follow suit, if logic is anything to go by. The list goes on and on.

Hell, both are struggling to release AA scoring games, much-less AAA ones. So stop your bullshit bait/trolling.

Being able to quote one game (GTAV) isn't going to save your ass from losing another gen against PC.