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#1  Edited By Pedro
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Now that MS plans to acquire Activision/Blizzard, does this place Sony in panic mode? Based on the transactions with Bethesda, games that would have been on PS were pulled. The same can be expected for this stupid size acquisition. Two major publishers are being pulled from the PlayStation portfolio with the biggest hitter being Call of Duty. Do you think COD is going to continue on PS? What do you think Sony is going to do in response? Release games day 1 on PC?

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The others allow GamePass on their systems or Bust!!!

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#3 Nonstop-Madness
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PlayStation is f*****.

I 100% expect them to file a complaint with the DOJ to stop the purchase.

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#4  Edited By jaydan
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Sony lives by the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" business model, rather than evolving the industry. Cows have been living the high life with short-term business success, but I think most sensible people knew that model can't sustain itself in the long-term.

I think it's now coming to fruition that Sony needs to convert in order to maintain that success.

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Bro this doesn't even matter Blizzard and activision suck right now they have nothing in the pipe this is fine

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@Nonstop-Madness said:

PlayStation is f*****.

I 100% expect them to file a complaint with the DOJ to stop the purchase.

Wouldn’t it be the FTC? Why would the DOJ care?

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They will respond by their own buying spree. Pretty sure they don't have the money to buy a big or even a mdeium sized publisher but they can still go with merger using equity. Come to think of it, they could also get in a strategic partnership with Amazon or Google if not outright bought by them.

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#8  Edited By Pedro
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@pc_rocks said:

They will respond by their own buying spree. Pretty sure they don't have the money to buy a big or even a mdeium sized publisher but they can still go with merger using equity. Come to think of it, they could also get in a strategic partnership with Amazon or Google if not outright bought by them.

That would be weird if they are acquired by Amazon or Google but it will also be the death of PlayStation if that transpires.

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#9 Mesome713
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Sony is screwed. And they deserve it.

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#10  Edited By uninspiredcup
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At this point they need a Bill Cosby room.

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@Pedro said:
@pc_rocks said:

They will respond by their own buying spree. Pretty sure they don't have the money to buy a big or even a mdeium sized publisher but they can still go with merger using equity. Come to think of it, they could also get in a strategic partnership with Amazon or Google if not outright bought by them.

That would be weird if they are acquired by Amazon or Google but it will also be the death of PlayStation if that transpires.

If this deal goes through and wasn't blocked it would serve as a precedent for Amazon/Google/Facebook whatever to acquire Sony.

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#12 simple-facts
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"It's all about exclusives"

The narrative rammed down MS(Xbox) throats as the be all and end all of gaming by fanboys and leading gaming sites.

Don't piss yourself crying now MS flexis it's financial muscle

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#13 R4gn4r0k
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Activision had COD and Blizzard had Overwatch 2

So it's not too bad: Sony lost out on two games.

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The next Playstation console will be named Playstation Stadia. Imagine that.

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Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

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@Nonstop-Madness said:

PlayStation is f*****.

I 100% expect them to file a complaint with the DOJ to stop the purchase.

Sony couldn't afford SE's receptionist? Come on Sony.

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#17  Edited By VFighter
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@Pedro: Not even a link?

Nevermind, didn't see the other thread.

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#18 dabear
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@Pedro: I'd be in panic mode if I were Sony, too.

So, I guess all those "OMG, MS is going to make a huge acquisition!" rumors 6 months ago were true...

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#19  Edited By jaydan
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@zerothehero said:

Bro this doesn't even matter Blizzard and activision suck right now they have nothing in the pipe this is fine

That's probably why Microsoft acquired Activision/Blizzard. It's too big of a company for the industry to just let implode over being in a poor state.

Now that the company is under new management, I'm certain Microsoft is going to purge all the bad actors and reshape the company into something better than it was before.

You don't just throw down $70billion to do nothing with that purchase.

Missed opportunity for Sony. Considering how Sony has a tango with Disney right now in the movie division, a $70billion acquisition would have been a power move for them, Considering Disney had a $71billion purchase in recent years. Sony is being left behind.

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@jaydan said:
@zerothehero said:

Bro this doesn't even matter Blizzard and activision suck right now they have nothing in the pipe this is fine

That's probably why Microsoft acquired Activision/Blizzard. It's too big of a company for the industry to just let implode over being in a poor state.

Now that the company is under new management, I'm certain Microsoft is going to purge all the bad actors and reshape the company into something better than it was before.

Why is everyone always super optimistic when multiple billion companies buy another multiple billion company?

Yeah, for sure we'll get another Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Warcraft, Starcraft and finally COD will be in good shape again.

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Going to need a response now or some sort of strategy, but this does seem very much like a pre-emptive move by MS in a coming service/subscriber war.

I'm not Sure Sony would actually see Amazon or Google as potential Partners, in fact if Sony went that route I wouldn't be shocked by a Sony/MS deal to head off a challenge from one of those tech entities.

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@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

Nope, they will have microtransactions. Halo already started it.

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#23 jaydan
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@R4gn4r0k: It's not optimism, it's just the logic of business behind these companies. You don't throw down $70billion to a sinking ship without plans to patch it up.

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#24  Edited By Mesome713
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@sonny2dap: Amazon needs to buy Sony and make them into a GamePass service

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#25  Edited By MysticalDonut
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@Random_Matt said:
@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

Nope, they will have microtransactions. Halo already started it.

Halo has flopped pretty hard in that area. People are not happy about everything belong locked behind a paywall and the player base has been dropping week after week. I am sure there are still people purchasing the microtransactions but they definitely hurt this game and probably future Halo games by burning players with this.

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@jaydan said:

@R4gn4r0k: It's not optimism, it's just the logic of business behind these companies. You don't throw down $70billion to a sinking ship without plans to patch it up.

Ok, good point.

I really, really hope that these companies that MS is buying will change for the better. But I've no reason to believe that they will.

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Sony is gonna panic buy SE and Konami.

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This commercial needs to be remade since Crash will be owned by MS LOL

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@regnaston: This "gen" is going to be rough for Sony fannies. 😂

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#30  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@sonny2dap: Amazon needs to buy Sony and make them into a GamePass service

IMO Amazon would be well and good taking a cues from the likes Valve and Epic, keeping an eye on certain smaller games that explode in popularity as opposed to well established and considerably more expensive.

Not that money is a problem for Jeff. At least when it's not paying staff proper wages.

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Sony won't be panicking there's big hitters on the way and the ps5 is selling out as soon as stock is available.

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the cows are all taking a 1 week vacation

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@Pedro said:

@regnaston: This "gen" is going to be rough for Sony fannies. 😂

nobody likes a rough fanny!

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@robert_sparkes: But but but...you're supposed to be freaking out and taking a weeks vacation! Lol

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Poor Pedro, Sony lives rent free in his mind 24/7 😄

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#36 Pedro
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@gym_lion said:

nobody likes a rough fanny!

Well, that is not the fannies we are talking about here. 😊

@SolidGame_basic said:

Poor Pedro, Sony lives rent free in his mind 24/7 😄

Translation "I don't have a response to this news because I am shooketh, but I will fight back with copium threads".😎

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Remember when I jokingly said the PS5 was Sony's Dreamcast? Er... well I was being a bit trollyface but Sony does need to adapt fast in light of everything that is going on. They have a dream-team of first party studios, no doubt, but being a console platform is much bigger (now than ever) than being a publisher/owner of a portfolio of software IP.

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@mesome713: sure they deserve it. They only released the most industry shaking exclusives the last 10 years, but go on. Microsoft had to buy their way into relevancy. Keep cheering when Gamepass is 50 bucks a month.

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@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

which upcoming Bethesda games do you believe are coming to PlayStation?.

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@Antwan3K said:
@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

which upcoming Bethesda games do you believe are coming to PlayStation?.

Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Redfall, pretty much all of them.

Maybe not day one release but they will come eventually.

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@mysticaldonut said:
@Antwan3K said:
@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

which upcoming Bethesda games do you believe are coming to PlayStation?.

Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Redfall, pretty much all of them.

Maybe not day one release but they will come eventually.

But, for example, Starfield is already a confirmed Xbox/PC exclusive.. 🤔 how exactly does that translate to "they will come eventually"?..

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@Antwan3K said:
@mysticaldonut said:
@Antwan3K said:
@mysticaldonut said:

Bethesda and Activision games won't sell enough on Xbox/PC alone to justify the $80 billion they spent. The games will still come to PS consoles to recoup losses.

which upcoming Bethesda games do you believe are coming to PlayStation?.

Elder Scrolls 6, Starfield, Redfall, pretty much all of them.

Maybe not day one release but they will come eventually.

But, for example, Starfield is already a confirmed Xbox/PC exclusive.. 🤔 how exactly does that translate to "they will come eventually"?..

How many games are confirmed as exclusive and then later come to another platform? Lol PR speak doesn't hold much weight when sales numbers speak much louder in the end like they always do. Even Sony has done this quite recently by putting Godfall, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West and GT 7 on PS4 when they were originally announced as PS5 exclusive.

Psychonauts 2 and Minecraft are owned by Microsoft yet come to PS. What makes you so sure other properties won't as well?

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@xantufrog said:

Remember when I jokingly said the PS5 was Sony's Dreamcast? Er... well I was being a bit trollyface but Sony does need to adapt fast in light of everything that is going on. They have a dream-team of first party studios, no doubt, but being a console platform is much bigger (now than ever) than being a publisher/owner of a portfolio of software IP.

I still don't get the comparison to Dreamcast lol. There is nothing here at the moment that is showing that Sony is not succeeding. They're breaking records in a supply constrained market. PS4 was a major success. They just announced PS VR 2. The Dreamcast was an accumulation of failures by Sega.

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@mysticaldonut said:

How many games are confirmed as exclusive and then later come to another platform? Lol PR speak doesn't hold much weight when sales numbers speak much louder in the end like they always do. Even Sony has done this quite recently by putting Godfall, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West and GT 7 on PS4 when they were originally announced as PS5 exclusive.

Psychonauts 2 and Minecraft are owned by Microsoft yet come to PS. What makes you so sure other properties won't as well?

yeah, but Sony didn't put Godfall, God of War Ragnarok, Horizon Forbidden West and GT 7 on Xbox did they?.. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Psychonauts 2 was already oblgated to come to PS4 due to the kickstarter funding and Microsoft already said they aren't going to pull an already released game (like Minecraft) from the PlayStation Store..

New games like Starfield and Redfall are already announced to not be coming to PlayStation.. so why would you think otherwise?..

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#45  Edited By Silentchief
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They will respond by their own buying spree. Pretty sure they don't have the money to buy a big or even a mdeium sized publisher but they can still go with merger using equity. Come to think of it, they could also get in a strategic partnership with Amazon or Google if not outright bought by them.

Lol Herms and lems crack me up.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SONY/sony/cash-on-hand

Sony has 44 billion dollars in free cash flow. That's enough to buy both Capcom and square Enix and that's exactly what they should do.

They also have a market cap of 156 billion so good luck on anyone buying them.

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#46  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@SolidGame_basic: if Sony doesn't adapt, their current successes may become "accumulating failures". The DC was great hardware and great games too...

MS is curb stomping them in services

MS is pulling out the rug from under them on major "third party" IPs with things like Bethesda and Activision (it is what it is - these are seriously big acquisitions)

MS has the more powerful hardware

MS has more features in its hardware

MS also has a more diverse hardware portfolio which has allowed them to sell (the S) despite the supply constraints affecting the X and PS5 to a greater degree

MS also has found a way to undercut them on cost for both games and hardware (for the time being)

Lastly but most importantly: MS is years ahead of Sony in embracing and integrating with PC - expanding their customer base dramatically.

Just step back for a moment - this is a serious list of "accumulating failures" PS is looking at. It really is. PS has an iron core of top tier IP and studios behind them, but again, DC had great exclusive games too and a dedicated fanbase.

Sony has to be reeling a bit here. The just have to. I hope they adapt

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I think Sony need to seriously look at the Konami Portfolio and buy up some IPs, like Castlevania, Metal Gear, Fatal Frame, etc. I know there are rumors about exclusive deals with Square Enix as well, I think that really needs to happen now.

I would say partner up with Sega, but Sega's multiplatform strategy has been working pretty well for them.

Partnerships with Square and Konami are the only things feasible IMO

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@SolidGame_basic said:
@xantufrog said:

Remember when I jokingly said the PS5 was Sony's Dreamcast? Er... well I was being a bit trollyface but Sony does need to adapt fast in light of everything that is going on. They have a dream-team of first party studios, no doubt, but being a console platform is much bigger (now than ever) than being a publisher/owner of a portfolio of software IP.

I still don't get the comparison to Dreamcast lol. There is nothing here at the moment that is showing that Sony is not succeeding. They're breaking records in a supply constrained market. PS4 was a major success. They just announced PS VR 2. The Dreamcast was an accumulation of failures by Sega.

What records are Sony breaking?

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is this the next target for MS 😁😁

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@silentchief said:
@pc_rocks said:

They will respond by their own buying spree. Pretty sure they don't have the money to buy a big or even a mdeium sized publisher but they can still go with merger using equity. Come to think of it, they could also get in a strategic partnership with Amazon or Google if not outright bought by them.

Lol Herms and lems crack me up.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SONY/sony/cash-on-hand

Sony has 44 billion dollars in free cash flow. That's enough to buy both Capcom and square Enix and that's exactly what they should do.

They also have a market cap of 156 billion so good luck on anyone buying them.

So, you are saying that the company should spend ALL of their resources in acquisitions just cause? This is why fanboys don't run companies.