Sony charging for online play next gen would be the biggest case of ownage ever

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#251 Posted by AcidThunder (2332 posts) -
not gonna happen
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#252 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (8111 posts) -

[QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] How is Sony losing money on PSN? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Its more like Microsoft has bad us tricked into paying for P2P. And most of the Live upgrades in the past few years have been for two things. To sell ad space and sell Kinect. They tried this shit on PC gamers with Games for Windows Live. PC gamers laughed at them and they had no choice but to make it free.Murderstyle75

 

Cost of servers

Developer salary

Paying for timed exclusivity deals

Etc etc

 

 

These things cost money to create, maintain and upgrade, they don't just auto magically appear and work. The services are more than just P2P gaming. If you think otherwise then you are the one that sounds ridiculous.

1. Sony charges developers for every GB you download from the service. (Microsoft doesnt). This means you are also paying for Silver members activities as well as Windows Live PC users.

2. Sony requires an Online Pass for first party games. (Microsoft doesnt)

3. Free online means a bigger incentive for people to actually take their consoles online.

4. More people online means more people buying marketplace goods.

5. More people with online access means more people buying map packs. XBL Silver members are not buying multiplayer season passes or Online Passes.

6. Sony has a premium service. It just doesn't block online access. By giving games away for free that people don't buy anyway, chances are, they are going to buy content for these games. The constant Plus weekly deals which often times rival Steam, have people buying games they would not have otherwise. Plus is a good service however its also a money pit that feeds off of impulses. Its rare that XBL sales even come close. Plus also sells movie sales and rentals that people wouldn't pay attention to otherwise and since Vita games are included as well, having an instant library could very well push the sale of that device too.

7. If Live was free for multiplayer, Microsoft would have probably won the gen by a landslide. Everything is not as cut & dry as you are making it. You have this flawed opinion that Microsoft is making money and Sony isn't. According to Forbes, half of Microsofts money is made on the marketplace. With Sony offering incentives and tricks to use that marketplace, paying for basic multiplayer is pretty much irrelevant. Not to mention they are not making a dime from preowned copies of Halo, Gears or Forza since there is no online pass.

In theory sure, but in practice there doesn't seem to be many advantages to free online with regards to statistics such as player numbers, online sales so on and so forth.

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#253 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -
[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"] Dude the offers in the Box are for GOLD memberships for ANYONE. You have no idea what you are saying. I alsdo never said anything about getting them paying $60 I said Platnium labled games usually have those free gold months in them, not full priced. Again, most people on here either don;t own an Xbox or have no idea what the Xbox has. There is even a rewards program fro your gamerscores and such.

Which games still have a free Gold month? Any I have seen in years have either been 14 day trials or 48 hour trials. 30 day full trials are very scarce now and are being phased out. And not all these trials unlock the full features nor can they be used on an existing Gold account. The 14 day Halo code only unlocks access to Halo. http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/28/p/384457/1998664.aspx And the Rewards program sucks ass. The points are paid out by a company called ePrize located in Plesent Ridge MI and are almost worthless. Its the same company that does MyCokeRewards which people have had many problems with as well. If you don't use them in time, they expire. I just received a whopping 190 points for over $200 in purchases last month. How do I apply these points to a game when the remainder can only be purchased in packs of 400? I would have to spend well over $200 more just to purchase a $5 XBLA game. $500 for $5 back. Such a great deal. Meanwhile Sony has been giving people $10 just for spending $50.

Dude, I just brought another Copy of Gears 2(New 19.99, platnium) Since I accidentally dropped my Disc on something that cut it as a replacement, and inside is 3 months of gold. Free.

You are lying now. Gears of War 2 Platinum contains the All Fronts Collection. Not a free trial. And there is no such thing as a free 90 day trial anyway. 90 day cards cost 24.99. A 90 day trial has never existed. Just 48 hour, 14 days and 30 days. They have since phased out the 30 day trial because of people selling them on Ebay and Craigslist. They don't even sell 30 days of Gold on a card anymore. The only way to get 30 days now is to either buy it digitally or activate it with a new console which gives you access to three trials for three different accounts. You might be able to run this shit on your average Cow but not on somebody who has been on Xbox longer than you have. Care to watch the Gears of War 2 Platinum Hits unboxing? http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=2rkeoPgtAK0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2rkeoPgtAK0
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#254 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

Hardly anyone has mentioned anything other than the PSN fees. Soo much butthurt and tears over a hypothetical situation :lol: I think that gives us a clear answer

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#255 Posted by Miketheman83 (3156 posts) -
Lol at the poll. Cows in denial.
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#256 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -
Lol at the poll. Cows in denial.Miketheman83
Yeah, there a lot of butthurt cows on the boards these day, the poll results were to be expected :P
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#257 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Lol at the poll. Cows in denial.Miketheman83

Poor cows.

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#258 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Truth be told guys, next gen is gonna be even MORE embarrasingly similar than this past one.... MS and SONY are fighting for the same customer and will continue to package the same experiences for the same people with a different name on the front of the hardware... The fight will be EXTRA petty this gen :P

Gue1

 

Sony put money toward the development of games like Journey and Heavy Rain meanwhile M$ uses it to advertise Kinect and milk Halo. They might share 3rd party support but that's where the similarities end. Not to metion their online approch is completely different with one offering it for free and the other one forcing you to pay even to use Netflix (which is another paid service).

So how did the 360 end up with the better library?

You're right, their online approach is different. MS have innovated in that area, Sony have copied.

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#259 Posted by SuddenlySudden (618 posts) -

lol the sad part is that lems don't realize how sad they are. You have no games. Your console has been abandoned You're paying for online to get yelled at by underloved nine year olds You're paying to use what you're already paying for (netflix, hulu, and other video services) Your browser is a fking joke (no flash player support) Your consoles solid titles are only 4 games, two shooters and two racers You're paying and still hacing to see ads on xbl Your console is on life support and hasn't had a goty exclusive for years Your games have zero freaking variety How can any of you idiots say the 360 has a better library??? Really? RESISTANCE, MOTORSTORM, LITTLE BIG PLANET, HEAVY RAIN, MGS4, NI OUN KUNI, JOURNEY, YAKUZA, DEMON'S SOUL, RATCHET AND CLANK, SLY,VALKYRIA CHRONICLES, WHITE KNIGHT CHRON, INFAMOUS, WARHAWK, STARHAWK, MODNATION RACERS, MAG, 3D DOT HEROES, GT5, TWISTED METAL, KATAMARI, and I didn;t even mention Uncharted, Killzone, god of war....Seriously just off the top of my head. Are you kids drunk??

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#260 Posted by TheEroica (17543 posts) -

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Truth be told guys, next gen is gonna be even MORE embarrasingly similar than this past one.... MS and SONY are fighting for the same customer and will continue to package the same experiences for the same people with a different name on the front of the hardware... The fight will be EXTRA petty this gen :P

RR360DD

 

Sony put money toward the development of games like Journey and Heavy Rain meanwhile M$ uses it to advertise Kinect and milk Halo. They might share 3rd party support but that's where the similarities end. Not to metion their online approch is completely different with one offering it for free and the other one forcing you to pay even to use Netflix (which is another paid service).

So how did the 360 end up with the better library?

You're right, their online approach is different. MS have innovated in that area, Sony have copied.

There is truth in what both of you are saying, but the larger point is that we are coming off a generation where the playstation and xbox experience are like 95% the same, and given the ammount of money and investment going in to these new consoles as they continue to pave the industry, it will grow even closer with policies and pricing as well as gaming libraries and initiatives... MS has kinect so sony makes one... Playstation has new exclusive games? watch ms unveil new ip at e3 (you know its gona happen). MS charges for online? watch sony follow suit. The distinct difference between these two consoles is becoming pathetically slim and outside of our ddicate demographic, consumers are buying these consoles based on MANY other factors than simply games and fees... sad but true.
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#261 Posted by clone01 (27148 posts) -

Not really.  It would just be damage control.  The same type of damage control 360 users have been using all gen.

 

Realistically, Sony has to be looking at the XBL Gold Subscription model and salivating.  That service makes truckloads of money for MS.  You can bet that Sony wants in on those profits, too.

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#262 Posted by clone01 (27148 posts) -

Truth be told guys, next gen is gonna be even MORE embarrasingly similar than this past one.... MS and SONY are fighting for the same customer and will continue to package the same experiences for the same people with a different name on the front of the hardware... The fight will be EXTRA petty this gen :P

TheEroica
+1. Two tremendously similar products this gen will be even more similar next gen.
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#263 Posted by clone01 (27148 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

 

Sony put money toward the development of games like Journey and Heavy Rain meanwhile M$ uses it to advertise Kinect and milk Halo. They might share 3rd party support but that's where the similarities end. Not to metion their online approch is completely different with one offering it for free and the other one forcing you to pay even to use Netflix (which is another paid service).

Gue1

So how did the 360 end up with the better library?

You're right, their online approach is different. MS have innovated in that area, Sony have copied.

 

Where are the unique and innovative tittles like Journey, Heavy Rain, LBP, Valkyria Chronicles or the Goty winner Uncharted? Does the X360 even has an AAAAE? All the X360 has on those spreadsheets you guys always post are the Kinect tittles that somehow scored 8s, some first gen games that scored 8s in 2005 and some crappy indies no one cares about on XBL, so when you compare raw numbres the Xbox seems to have the better library.  :)

On the online front M$ might have copied a thing or 2 but that doesn't change the fact that they are ripping you off and you have no argument against it. And PS+ is very good you know. :cool:

Do you have a 360? If not, you sure do tend to judge things you have no experience with.
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#264 Posted by g0ddyX (3914 posts) -

Charging for online gaming or even cloud gaming for that matter, is expected for next gen.
How else are Sony and Microsoft going to compensate for better hardware and a superior console?
Just hope its not a rip off.

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#265 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

lol the sad part is that lems don't realize how sad they are. You have no games. Your console has been abandoned You're paying for online to get yelled at by underloved nine year olds You're paying to use what you're already paying for (netflix, hulu, and other video services) Your browser is a fking joke (no flash player support) Your consoles solid titles are only 4 games, two shooters and two racers You're paying and still hacing to see ads on xbl Your console is on life support and hasn't had a goty exclusive for years Your games have zero freaking variety How can any of you idiots say the 360 has a better library??? Really? RESISTANCE, MOTORSTORM, LITTLE BIG PLANET, HEAVY RAIN, MGS4, NI OUN KUNI, JOURNEY, YAKUZA, DEMON'S SOUL, RATCHET AND CLANK, SLY,VALKYRIA CHRONICLES, WHITE KNIGHT CHRON, INFAMOUS, WARHAWK, STARHAWK, MODNATION RACERS, MAG, 3D DOT HEROES, GT5, TWISTED METAL, KATAMARI, and I didn;t even mention Uncharted, Killzone, god of war....Seriously just off the top of my head. Are you kids drunk??

SuddenlySudden

You sound angry. :lol:

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#266 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

Truth be told guys, next gen is gonna be even MORE embarrasingly similar than this past one.... MS and SONY are fighting for the same customer and will continue to package the same experiences for the same people with a different name on the front of the hardware... The fight will be EXTRA petty this gen :P

RR360DD

 

Sony put money toward the development of games like Journey and Heavy Rain meanwhile M$ uses it to advertise Kinect and milk Halo. They might share 3rd party support but that's where the similarities end. Not to metion their online approch is completely different with one offering it for free and the other one forcing you to pay even to use Netflix (which is another paid service).

So how did the 360 end up with the better library?

You're right, their online approach is different. MS have innovated in that area, Sony have copied.

The 360 has not a better library you delusional Lem. Any real gamer would rather have the quality +variety of the PS3 library than the rehashes of a couple of franchises +kinect of the 360 library. Stop relying on numbers and look at the actual real world so that you can stop living in delusion.
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#267 Posted by jsmoke03 (13697 posts) -

its a tie between ms always online or ps4 charging online mp. but it would hurt more if ps4 charged because the ps4 is becoming soo much like ms consoles. a lot of the reason why i pick sony consoles first is getting eliminated everytime i hear official news.....controller was the biggest bummer for me....i can take it being bulkier but changing analog sensitivity will kill me with fps and no pressure sensitive buttons means that gt and mlb the show just got that much harder

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#268 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

 

Sony put money toward the development of games like Journey and Heavy Rain meanwhile M$ uses it to advertise Kinect and milk Halo. They might share 3rd party support but that's where the similarities end. Not to metion their online approch is completely different with one offering it for free and the other one forcing you to pay even to use Netflix (which is another paid service).

kuraimen

So how did the 360 end up with the better library?

You're right, their online approach is different. MS have innovated in that area, Sony have copied.

The 360 has not a better library you delusional Lem. Any real gamer would rather have the quality +variety of the PS3 library than the rehashes of a couple of franchises +kinect of the 360 library. Stop relying on numbers and look at the actual real world so that you can stop living in delusion.

"look at the actual real world" Very good piece of advice. I suggest you take it.

The amount of A, AA and AAA games that the 360 has that the PS3 doesn't do not equate to just rehashes and Kinect games. It appears you're the delusional one.

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#269 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

 

Cost of servers

Developer salary

Paying for timed exclusivity deals

Etc etc

 

 

These things cost money to create, maintain and upgrade, they don't just auto magically appear and work. The services are more than just P2P gaming. If you think otherwise then you are the one that sounds ridiculous.

HalcyonScarlet

1. Sony charges developers for every GB you download from the service. (Microsoft doesnt). This means you are also paying for Silver members activities as well as Windows Live PC users.

2. Sony requires an Online Pass for first party games. (Microsoft doesnt)

3. Free online means a bigger incentive for people to actually take their consoles online.

4. More people online means more people buying marketplace goods.

5. More people with online access means more people buying map packs. XBL Silver members are not buying multiplayer season passes or Online Passes.

6. Sony has a premium service. It just doesn't block online access. By giving games away for free that people don't buy anyway, chances are, they are going to buy content for these games. The constant Plus weekly deals which often times rival Steam, have people buying games they would not have otherwise. Plus is a good service however its also a money pit that feeds off of impulses. Its rare that XBL sales even come close. Plus also sells movie sales and rentals that people wouldn't pay attention to otherwise and since Vita games are included as well, having an instant library could very well push the sale of that device too.

7. If Live was free for multiplayer, Microsoft would have probably won the gen by a landslide. Everything is not as cut & dry as you are making it. You have this flawed opinion that Microsoft is making money and Sony isn't. According to Forbes, half of Microsofts money is made on the marketplace. With Sony offering incentives and tricks to use that marketplace, paying for basic multiplayer is pretty much irrelevant. Not to mention they are not making a dime from preowned copies of Halo, Gears or Forza since there is no online pass.

In theory sure, but in practice there doesn't seem to be many advantages to free online with regards to statistics such as player numbers, online sales so on and so forth.

But now where are these statistics? I don't know of anybody who tracks online sales and what not. But what I do know is Netflix is more popular on the PS3 than it is on the 360 so offering this stuff up for free like it should be certainly brings more people online. The number one goal of bringing people online is to get them to spend money. And you can bet that neither Microsoft or Sony are allowing these services like Netflix, Hulu,etc on their platforms to make money off their customer base without taking a cut of the money.
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#270 Posted by ImJESUS-PROam (360 posts) -
I don't get this deal with charging for Live, if you buy games you usually don't have to pay or pay more than $10 at all. Most Platnium games, have a free 3 month membership and at times more if it's a big edition, inside. And when you use that you have gold and there are offers like 4 more months for $5 or you could buy another platnium game, get another 3+ month membership. I mean half the people on this board, even claiming to have 360's probably don't know anything about the 360 or don't own one, or buy games new day one for $60.
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#271 Posted by ImJESUS-PROam (360 posts) -
[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] The 360 has not a better library you delusional Lem. Any real gamer would rather have the quality +variety of the PS3 library than the rehashes of a couple of franchises +kinect of the 360 library. Stop relying on numbers and look at the actual real world so that you can stop living in delusion.Murderstyle75

"look at the actual real world" Very good piece of advice. I suggest you take it.

The amount of A, AA and AAA games that the 360 has that the PS3 doesn't do not equate to just rehashes and Kinect games. It appears you're the delusional one.

And how many of these games are still active? I mean how much would it suck buying a 3 to 7.5 year old critically acclaimed title only to find out there is not enough of community if any at all to still justify that AAA score. And some games don't even have online support anymore. Can we still use any of these titles in 2013 to offset all the Kinect focus if people can no longer play them or if it takes 20 minutes just to start one game?

You are grasping by assuming every game back then had tacked on MP.
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#272 Posted by ImBatman- (1279 posts) -

Lems having to resort to hypothetical threads is pretty big ownage.

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#273 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -
[QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"]I don't get this deal with charging for Live, if you buy games you usually don't have to pay or pay more than $10 at all. Most Platnium games, have a free 3 month membership and at times more if it's a big edition, inside. And when you use that you have gold and there are offers like 4 more months for $5 or you could buy another platnium game, get another 3+ month membership. I mean half the people on this board, even claiming to have 360's probably don't know anything about the 360 or don't own one, or buy games new day one for $60.

I probably know more about both Xbox consoles than anybody here. Most of those offers you speak of only apply to Silver members. Some of those cards only give you access to the game it came with. Now I don't pay for Xbox Live. I found a way not to. But I still don't agree with the fee anymore. And not everybody buys every game brand new at 60.00. Most games are just not that good. And what about people who generally only play a handful of titles or one particular title like Battlefield? Now they certainly already paid for Online when they activated or bought their Online Pass. They might have even rented a server from EA. they are also playing on EA's servers and using EA's stat tracking. Why in the hell should they pay Microsoft?
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#274 Posted by Chutebox (43516 posts) -

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

You're the one who thinks iPhone stands out as the best phone ever and the Xbox 360 being the best console in this generation.

The irony.

RR360DD

I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

:roll:

And PS3 and 360 have literally switched.  PS3 has been strong since 2008 while 360 went downhill, fast.

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#275 Posted by ImJESUS-PROam (360 posts) -
[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"]I don't get this deal with charging for Live, if you buy games you usually don't have to pay or pay more than $10 at all. Most Platnium games, have a free 3 month membership and at times more if it's a big edition, inside. And when you use that you have gold and there are offers like 4 more months for $5 or you could buy another platnium game, get another 3+ month membership. I mean half the people on this board, even claiming to have 360's probably don't know anything about the 360 or don't own one, or buy games new day one for $60.

I probably know more about both Xbox consoles than anybody here. Most of those offers you speak of only apply to Silver members. Some of those cards only give you access to the game it came with. Now I don't pay for Xbox Live. I found a way not to. But I still don't agree with the fee anymore. And not everybody buys every game brand new at 60.00. Most games are just not that good. And what about people who generally only play a handful of titles or one particular title like Battlefield? Now they certainly already paid for Online when they activated or bought their Online Pass. They might have even rented a server from EA. they are also playing on EA's servers and using EA's stat tracking. Why in the hell should they pay Microsoft?

Dude the offers in the Box are for GOLD memberships for ANYONE. You have no idea what you are saying. I alsdo never said anything about getting them paying $60 I said Platnium labled games usually have those free gold months in them, not full priced. Again, most people on here either don;t own an Xbox or have no idea what the Xbox has. There is even a rewards program fro your gamerscores and such.
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#276 Posted by Riverwolf007 (26023 posts) -

such a long distinguished line of biggies how can you even judge biggest ownage.

ff13

gt5

lair

haze

ace combat 6 as a 360 exclusive

next gen starts when we say it does

sixaxis

sony executive hubris and insane quotes

selling off property 

dropping marketshare

stock price falling through the floor

the list literally just goes on and on.

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#277 Posted by ImJESUS-PROam (360 posts) -
[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="ImJESUS-PROam"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I probably know more about both Xbox consoles than anybody here. Most of those offers you speak of only apply to Silver members. Some of those cards only give you access to the game it came with. Now I don't pay for Xbox Live. I found a way not to. But I still don't agree with the fee anymore. And not everybody buys every game brand new at 60.00. Most games are just not that good. And what about people who generally only play a handful of titles or one particular title like Battlefield? Now they certainly already paid for Online when they activated or bought their Online Pass. They might have even rented a server from EA. they are also playing on EA's servers and using EA's stat tracking. Why in the hell should they pay Microsoft?

Dude the offers in the Box are for GOLD memberships for ANYONE. You have no idea what you are saying. I alsdo never said anything about getting them paying $60 I said Platnium labled games usually have those free gold months in them, not full priced. Again, most people on here either don;t own an Xbox or have no idea what the Xbox has. There is even a rewards program fro your gamerscores and such.

Which games still have a free Gold month? Any I have seen in years have either been 14 day trials or 48 hour trials. 30 day full trials are very scarce now and are being phased out. And not all these trials unlock the full features nor can they be used on an existing Gold account. The 14 day Halo code only unlocks access to Halo. http://forums.xbox.com/xbox_forums/xbox_support/f/28/p/384457/1998664.aspx And the Rewards program sucks ass. The points are paid out by a company called ePrize located in Plesent Ridge MI and are almost worthless. Its the same company that does MyCokeRewards which people have had many problems with as well. If you don't use them in time, they expire. I just received a whopping 190 points for over $200 in purchases last month. How do I apply these points to a game when the remainder can only be purchased in packs of 400? I would have to spend well over $200 more just to purchase a $5 XBLA game. $500 for $5 back. Such a great deal. Meanwhile Sony has been giving people $10 just for spending $50.

Dude, I just brought another Copy of Gears 2(New 19.99, platnium) Since I accidentally dropped my Disc on something that cut it as a replacement, and inside is 3 months of gold. Free.
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#278 Posted by Cyberdot (3928 posts) -

It appears you're the delusional one.

RR360DD

You're the one who thinks iPhone stands out as the best phone ever and the Xbox 360 being the best console in this generation.

The irony.

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#279 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

It appears you're the delusional one.

Cyberdot

You're the one who thinks iPhone stands out as the best phone ever and the Xbox 360 being the best console in this generation.

The irony.

I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.
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#280 Posted by tormentos (26789 posts) -

Thats what I think. Oh boy those cow tears would be delicious.

What do you think would be the biggest case of ownage on SW:

  • Sony charging for oniine play with the PS4
  • Microsoft's next console requiring an online connection to work
  • FF Versus going multiplat
  • Wii U takes off and consistently outsells the PS4/720

And any more you can think of ...

RR360DD
charging for online play is bad no matter who does it,i have stated this many times,i just play online on PC there is no double standard from me there. And requiring online connection to play is even worst no matter who does it as well.
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#281 Posted by MarthRingman (1104 posts) -
I think charging for online play would be a mistake on Sony's part. They have already differentiated themselves from Microsoft with PS+ without using the paywall model.
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#282 Posted by SuddenlySudden (618 posts) -
STOP DAMAGE CONTROLLING YOUR OWNAGE THIS GEN.
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#283 Posted by clone01 (27148 posts) -
STOP DAMAGE CONTROLLING YOUR OWNAGE THIS GEN.SuddenlySudden
Inside voice.
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#284 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

$ony are going to have to do something that's for sure.

 

PS+ has been a pretty good idea, renting people games that I would imagine are no longer selling. How does that work at the start of a generation though when there isn't a back catalogue to choose from?

 

To be honest I expect new strategies from both companies.

Murderstyle75
Then they will wait util it will fill in to put something on PSN+, besides they got lot of new features that can be turned to premium :) I don't know why people want Sony to charge for multiplayer, i don't think Cows wants it, no normal person wants it, so i assume it Lems envious of happy Cows that have free multiplayer. Also note that Live is only games unified service that order you to pay to even dream about multiplayer and i don't really know why people on SW want this to spread.... it like wanting always online DRMs to spread.

And like I've said. If Sony wanted to charge for online, they could have already. You don't need a new generation to charge for multiplayer. Sony has a different ecosystem than Microsoft which sticks the bill to the game publisher instead of the user.

Actully you need, "feature" like that needs to be implemented in game, as something needs to block multiplayer in it ;p you can't make this unifiied or else Sony thouth about this possibility.
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#285 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -
Jesus-PROam never came back to show off his butthurt. Too funny. And I spent a lot of time pointing out his lie too.
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#286 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"][QUOTE="HaRmLeSS_RaGe"]

$ony are going to have to do something that's for sure.

 

PS+ has been a pretty good idea, renting people games that I would imagine are no longer selling. How does that work at the start of a generation though when there isn't a back catalogue to choose from?

 

To be honest I expect new strategies from both companies.

HaRmLeSS_RaGe

Then they will wait util it will fill in to put something on PSN+, besides they got lot of new features that can be turned to premium :) I don't know why people want Sony to charge for multiplayer, i don't think Cows wants it, no normal person wants it, so i assume it Lems envious of happy Cows that have free multiplayer. Also note that Live is only games unified service that order you to pay to even dream about multiplayer and i don't really know why people on SW want this to spread.... it like wanting always online DRMs to spread.

 

I don't necessarily agree with charging for multiplayer. However i do realize that both LIVE and PSN offer more than just P2P gaming and these services need to be paid for in some way or another.

 

Like I said I expect different pricing schemes to appear next gen for both systems.

They don't need to be paid by user, it can be payed from diffrent sources, how do you think steam works operates? it has same game unified features and even more and better then what PSN has to offer now, some of those feature operates in nature of website, if you don't know all LBP games for example it uses pure HTTP + P2P for multiplayer, 3rd party servers are not even belong to PSN network and use PSN only for authentication. I even hear Live is no different then that (thru im not sure 100%) yet they greedy enoth to fool you around and order you to pay for accessing websites that cost them absolutely 0.
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#287 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

It appears you're the delusional one.

Murderstyle75

You're the one who thinks iPhone stands out as the best phone ever and the Xbox 360 being the best console in this generation.

The irony.

I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

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#288 Posted by Phazevariance (12293 posts) -

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]

lol the sad part is that lems don't realize how sad they are. You have no games. Your console has been abandoned You're paying for online to get yelled at by underloved nine year olds You're paying to use what you're already paying for (netflix, hulu, and other video services) Your browser is a fking joke (no flash player support) Your consoles solid titles are only 4 games, two shooters and two racers You're paying and still hacing to see ads on xbl Your console is on life support and hasn't had a goty exclusive for years Your games have zero freaking variety How can any of you idiots say the 360 has a better library??? Really? RESISTANCE, MOTORSTORM, LITTLE BIG PLANET, HEAVY RAIN, MGS4, NI OUN KUNI, JOURNEY, YAKUZA, DEMON'S SOUL, RATCHET AND CLANK, SLY,VALKYRIA CHRONICLES, WHITE KNIGHT CHRON, INFAMOUS, WARHAWK, STARHAWK, MODNATION RACERS, MAG, 3D DOT HEROES, GT5, TWISTED METAL, KATAMARI, and I didn;t even mention Uncharted, Killzone, god of war....Seriously just off the top of my head. Are you kids drunk??

Michael0134567

You sound angry. :lol:

IT MUST BE ALL THE CAPS GAMES HE YELLS ABOUT!!
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#289 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Cyberdot"]

You're the one who thinks iPhone stands out as the best phone ever and the Xbox 360 being the best console in this generation.

The irony.

RR360DD

I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

I get ya. I can only agree with half of it though. Yes. The Playstation did suck until 2009. But at the same time, the 360 has only been good until 2009 with the exception of Alan Wake. Since the departure of Robbie Bach and J Allard, its all been downhill and I don't believe the people in charge now are capable or even care about evolving the accumulated library you are talking about. With all the games the platform has seen since 2001, you would think more than just Forza and Halo would be household series. And you would also think that more than just Gears would be worthy of long term focus from this gen. You would also think that with an audience of 75+ million, they would be thinking of things beyond the predictable popular niches consisting of two shooters and a racing sim. Kinect might have sold 25 million but the hype is wearing off as fast as the Wii and the install base is only one third of the community. And of course I also know many Kinect owners including myself who are just not digging it as anything other than an occasionally used add on.
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#290 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.Murderstyle75

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

I get ya. I can only agree with half of it though. Yes. The Playstation did suck until 2009. But at the same time, the 360 has only been good until 2009 with the exception of Alan Wake. Since the departure of Robbie Bach and J Allard, its all been downhill and I don't believe the people in charge now are capable or even care about evolving the accumulated library you are talking about. With all the games the platform has seen since 2001, you would think more than just Forza and Halo would be household series. And you would also think that more than just Gears would be worthy of long term focus from this gen. You would also think that with an audience of 75+ million, they would be thinking of things beyond the predictable popular niches consisting of two shooters and a racing sim. Kinect might have sold 25 million but the hype is wearing off as fast as the Wii and the install base is only one third of the community. And of course I also know many Kinect owners including myself who are just not digging it as anything other than an occasionally used add on.

Theres a big difference though. The 360 had the foundation of great console from day 1, and has built upon that the entire gen. It may have slowed down in 2010/11 (in one area - exclusives), but that does't negate the fact its a great console. The 360 has continue to appeal. The PS3 was actually missing out on multiplats at the start of the gen, something the 360 has never endured (unless Sony had a deal in place of course).

You're still placing far too much importance on exclusives. If a game being exclusive guaranteed quality then I would see you point. But it doesn't.

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#291 Posted by SuddenlySudden (618 posts) -

[QUOTE="SuddenlySudden"]

lol the sad part is that lems don't realize how sad they are. You have no games. Your console has been abandoned You're paying for online to get yelled at by underloved nine year olds You're paying to use what you're already paying for (netflix, hulu, and other video services) Your browser is a fking joke (no flash player support) Your consoles solid titles are only 4 games, two shooters and two racers You're paying and still hacing to see ads on xbl Your console is on life support and hasn't had a goty exclusive for years Your games have zero freaking variety How can any of you idiots say the 360 has a better library??? Really? RESISTANCE, MOTORSTORM, LITTLE BIG PLANET, HEAVY RAIN, MGS4, NI OUN KUNI, JOURNEY, YAKUZA, DEMON'S SOUL, RATCHET AND CLANK, SLY,VALKYRIA CHRONICLES, WHITE KNIGHT CHRON, INFAMOUS, WARHAWK, STARHAWK, MODNATION RACERS, MAG, 3D DOT HEROES, GT5, TWISTED METAL, KATAMARI, and I didn;t even mention Uncharted, Killzone, god of war....Seriously just off the top of my head. Are you kids drunk??

Michael0134567

You sound angry. :lol:

just confused by how delusional you guys are
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#292 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2607 posts) -

Yea that would be ownage if they charge for online play.

Same thing can be said if the nextbox focuses on tv/movies.

I still would say that TP flopping so hard is the biggest. That was quite funny.

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#293 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

RR360DD

I get ya. I can only agree with half of it though. Yes. The Playstation did suck until 2009. But at the same time, the 360 has only been good until 2009 with the exception of Alan Wake. Since the departure of Robbie Bach and J Allard, its all been downhill and I don't believe the people in charge now are capable or even care about evolving the accumulated library you are talking about. With all the games the platform has seen since 2001, you would think more than just Forza and Halo would be household series. And you would also think that more than just Gears would be worthy of long term focus from this gen. You would also think that with an audience of 75+ million, they would be thinking of things beyond the predictable popular niches consisting of two shooters and a racing sim. Kinect might have sold 25 million but the hype is wearing off as fast as the Wii and the install base is only one third of the community. And of course I also know many Kinect owners including myself who are just not digging it as anything other than an occasionally used add on.

Theres a big difference though. The 360 had the foundation of great console from day 1, and has built upon that the entire gen. It may have slowed down in 2010/11 (in one area - exclusives), but that does't negate the fact its a great console. The 360 has continue to appeal. The PS3 was actually missing out on multiplats at the start of the gen, something the 360 has never endured (unless Sony had a deal in place of course).

You're still placing far too much importance on exclusives. If a game being exclusive guaranteed quality then I would see you point. But it doesn't.

But in the past, exclusives were almost always gaurenteed quality. There is much more focus that can be emphasized on that platform and online service. Without games like Crimson Skies, Unreal Championship, Mech Assault, Amped, Links, Conker, Phantom Dust, etc, I wouldn't have even been interested in a 360. And when the 360 released, Microsoft came out swinging with many great 360 titles. With a change in management, all the emphasis is on Kinect while relying on almost only multiplats for everybody else. If the current management would have been the original management, the small example of games I mentioned, probably never would have happened. Halo could have very well went to the competition even because Steve Ballmer would have seen it as an unproven IP that could be too much of a risk. And the 2010 slowdown is a direct result of the new management and new focus after looking at the success of the Wii. If they are not interested in these kinds of games now, what's going to make them interested in them next generation? Microsoft didnt stop securing games in 2010. They just stopped securing traditional games. Now if the majority of everything non Kinect is multiplatform next gen, why should I choose an Xbox over a playstation?
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#294 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I actually love my iPhone over the Androids I have owned however I wouldn't call the 360 the best console. I'm kind of surprised though that with being such a huge Xbox fan, he didnt favor Windows Phone. Most Xbox fans perfer Windows Phone even if they have never owned one.Chutebox

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

:roll:

And PS3 and 360 have literally switched.  PS3 has been strong since 2008 while 360 went downhill, fast.

Oh the 360s online has suddenly been reduced to the level PSN was at pre-2009? Nope.

Since 2008?LOLno. Last year the 360 has a much better offering than the PS3.

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#295 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

RR360DD

:roll:

And PS3 and 360 have literally switched.  PS3 has been strong since 2008 while 360 went downhill, fast.

Oh the 360s online has suddenly been reduced to the level PSN was at pre-2009? Nope.

Since 2008?LOLno. Last year the 360 has a much better offering than the PS3.

Halo 4? Forza Horizion? Even die hard Xbox fans are critizing Halo now. The multiplayer was ok if you ignore the COD additions but the single player was extremely boring.
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#296 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] I get ya. I can only agree with half of it though. Yes. The Playstation did suck until 2009. But at the same time, the 360 has only been good until 2009 with the exception of Alan Wake. Since the departure of Robbie Bach and J Allard, its all been downhill and I don't believe the people in charge now are capable or even care about evolving the accumulated library you are talking about. With all the games the platform has seen since 2001, you would think more than just Forza and Halo would be household series. And you would also think that more than just Gears would be worthy of long term focus from this gen. You would also think that with an audience of 75+ million, they would be thinking of things beyond the predictable popular niches consisting of two shooters and a racing sim. Kinect might have sold 25 million but the hype is wearing off as fast as the Wii and the install base is only one third of the community. And of course I also know many Kinect owners including myself who are just not digging it as anything other than an occasionally used add on.Murderstyle75

Theres a big difference though. The 360 had the foundation of great console from day 1, and has built upon that the entire gen. It may have slowed down in 2010/11 (in one area - exclusives), but that does't negate the fact its a great console. The 360 has continue to appeal. The PS3 was actually missing out on multiplats at the start of the gen, something the 360 has never endured (unless Sony had a deal in place of course).

You're still placing far too much importance on exclusives. If a game being exclusive guaranteed quality then I would see you point. But it doesn't.

But in the past, exclusives were almost always gaurenteed quality. There is much more focus that can be emphasized on that platform and online service. Without games like Crimson Skies, Unreal Championship, Mech Assault, Amped, Links, Conker, Phantom Dust, etc, I wouldn't have even been interested in a 360. And when the 360 released, Microsoft came out swinging with many great 360 titles. With a change in management, all the emphasis is on Kinect while relying on almost only multiplats for everybody else. If the current management would have been the original management, the small example of games I mentioned, probably never would have happened. Halo could have very well went to the competition even because Steve Ballmer would have seen it as an unproven IP that could be too much of a risk. And the 2010 slowdown is a direct result of the new management and new focus after looking at the success of the Wii. If they are not interested in these kinds of games now, what's going to make them interested in them next generation? Microsoft didnt stop securing games in 2010. They just stopped securing traditional games. Now if the majority of everything non Kinect is multiplatform next gen, why should I choose an Xbox over a playstation?

Well I don't know why, the new Xbox hasn't ben revealed has it. I personally won't base which console I go with just on exclusives, because to me that just doesn't make sense. I play maybe one or two exclusives a year. Compare that to mabybe 20+ multiplats and its so insignificant I don't care. My favourite games this gen are multiplats, so that tells me exclusives mean nothing.

I'm going to make my choice based on online service. Controller. Features that will benefit every game that I play on the console. I thought I was going PS3 last gen until I saw the 360. It offered me a great online service, features such as achievements, a more ergonimically designed controller etc. that benefited every game from day 1. If Microsoft innovate in that area again this gen, giving me features that again will benefit every game Ill go with it, because I know the new Xbox will be getting all of the best games. If it doesn't, then Ill go PS4. Its online service is already looking impressive.

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#297 Posted by HaRmLeSS_RaGe (1330 posts) -

$ony are going to have to do something that's for sure.

 

PS+ has been a pretty good idea, renting people games that I would imagine are no longer selling. How does that work at the start of a generation though when there isn't a back catalogue to choose from?

 

To be honest I expect new strategies from both companies.

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#298 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -
But the only reason you are playing one to two exclusives a year is because they are only making one to two exclusives a year. You can't really play what they are not making.
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#299 Posted by Chutebox (43516 posts) -

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Uh no that would be a Microsoft fanboy. I don't use Windows or the Windows phone.

The reason I say the 360 is the best console is because it is. PS3 started this gen pathetically, which is why cows are so adament at changing rules to suti their failing agenda. Right now, the PS3 is a very attractive console due to the software if offers, as is the 360 but its not always been that way.

The 360 has offered a great online service the entire gen, and accumulated a library that has far more quality titles than any other console this gen.

The PS3 only offered a great online service from 2009 onwards (PSN+didn't even exist until 2011). Its accumated up a great library, but still falls short compared.

So if someone asks which was the best console this gen, the asnwer is pretty easy.

RR360DD

:roll:

And PS3 and 360 have literally switched.  PS3 has been strong since 2008 while 360 went downhill, fast.

Oh the 360s online has suddenly been reduced to the level PSN was at pre-2009? Nope.

Since 2008?LOLno. Last year the 360 has a much better offering than the PS3.

Talking about console as a whole, not just online.
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#300 Posted by RR360DD (13884 posts) -
But the only reason you are playing one to two exclusives a year is because they are only making one to two exclusives a year. You can't really play what they are not making.Murderstyle75
Its nothing to do with that. I own a PS3. Have done since launch.