So xbox one X is just a little more powerful playstation 4 with no games?

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#1 N64DD
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Now that all the info is coming out that most games wont be native 4k...then it's sitting in the same realm of the PS4 pro without solid exclusives like playstation?

Microsoft doesn't really seem to have a market in mind.

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@n64dd Microsoft blew smoke up everyone's behinds. The fanboys are doing 180's like normal. Here is the video from Digital foundry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ouvcowa_E

Here's a quote

"Where's the native 4K games?"

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#4  Edited By Black96Z
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@n64dd: We will not have all the info on the X until it is released and games are finished being optimized for it. And if the Pro and X had exclusives, we would be in a new generation.

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#5 DrLostRib
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On paper it's a fair bit more powerful, but who knows how it will be in practice.

Also, the no games thing

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Pretty much. And it should be more powerful considering it costs $100 more but they lied about it being a true 4K console.

Plus when your lineup is headline by Crackdown 3 and Super Lucky's Tale you know you goofed.

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It's way more powerful. Shitty topic

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@FastRobby said:

It's way more powerful. Shitty topic

Except its not. It does checkerboard 4K just like the Pro. Its a little more powerful and it costs $100 more. At least they didn't make it weaker and charge $100 more this time.

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I swear there's the same topic every day with at least 90% of the content being the same, can we have one "One X slightly more powerful than Ps4 Pro, 100$ more, no exclusives" sticky?

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#10  Edited By Celsius765
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It's only 1.8 tflops more powerful. I'd it were like 9 tflops or more I'd be amazed. That said it's about as powerful as a machine with an i3 processor in it atleast that's what I heard. But it's a custom build that might be exactly accurate. I'd honestly like to see xbx graphics in person and compare to 4k on a high end pc to Gauge whether it's actually 4k. I suspect the ps4, pro,xb1s and xbx are more than likely 2k machines

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@hitmanactual: hi, I have question. As nice as 4k is would you have found 2k graphics acceptable till 4k was mainstream?

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#13  Edited By freedomfreak  Online
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The focus on 4K is lame.

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#14 Legend002
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Yes but I may be biased owning a good PC. X is still weak and with no games to boot.

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#15  Edited By ronvalencia
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@n64dd said:

Now that all the info is coming out that most games wont be native 4k...then it's sitting in the same realm of the PS4 pro without solid exclusives like playstation?

Microsoft doesn't really seem to have a market in mind.

XBO games with 1080p with 1.3 TFLOPS usage would have very high chance for 4K resolution i.e. 1.3 TFLOPS x 4 = 5.2 TFLOPS.

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The numerous amount of Xbox One X threads this past month have been insane...lmao. You guys don't have games to play?

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#17  Edited By Black96Z
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@ryu_silveira: it will only get worse. System War will blow up when it releases.

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@ryu_silveira said:

The numerous amount of Xbox One X threads this past month have been insane...lmao. You guys don't have games to play?

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@ryu_silveira said:

The numerous amount of Xbox One X threads this past month have been insane...lmao. You guys don't have games to play?

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It's my 2nd account...lol. My other account is Kinky-Unikorn from March 17th, 2015.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@FastRobby said:

It's way more powerful. Shitty topic

Except its not. It does checkerboard 4K just like the Pro. Its a little more powerful and it costs $100 more. At least they didn't make it weaker and charge $100 more this time.

Lol, classic cows. Only thinking about the resolution, when there is so much more to do... DF already said that you will see a difference between two versions, the OneX version will be more refined, a "PC on High-Ultra High Settings". PS4 Pro isn't.

That's not a bad thing, we all knew this was going to happen when Microsoft announced project Scorpio. It has much more ram, more powerful CPU, and a more capable GPU. Don't be so insecure.

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#21 HitmanActual
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@Celsius765: Hi, I have an answer to your question. Yes I would have.

Graphics have never been a deal breaker for me. Don't get me wrong I do enjoy a good picture, but all the 4K bullshit is pretty meaningless to me, I play games regardless.

I do have a 4K TV, and I will most probably buy an X1X, same as I bought a PS4 Pro...not because I need to, but because I want to and I can.

Pretty simple really.

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#22  Edited By ronvalencia
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@Celsius765 said:

It's only 1.8 tflops more powerful. I'd it were like 9 tflops or more I'd be amazed. That said it's about as powerful as a machine with an i3 processor in it atleast that's what I heard. But it's a custom build that might be exactly accurate. I'd honestly like to see xbx graphics in person and compare to 4k on a high end pc to Gauge whether it's actually 4k. I suspect the ps4, pro,xb1s and xbx are more than likely 2k machines

Using Vega's 1630 Mhz clock speed with PC GPU cooling solution...

40 CU x 1630 Mhz yields 8.345 TFLOPS.

The main problem is memory bandwidth i.e. did anyone learn from Fury X's 8.6 TFLOPS with about 387 GB/s effective memory bandwidth?

Most PC games reflects the effective memory bandwidth gap between R9-390X and Fury X.

From PowerVR's PR against certain company with high FLOPS/high triangle per second PR.

Memory bandwidth can bound GPU's performance.

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It's much more powerful. Still has no games.

Hardware doesn't win the race. Never has.

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@Wasdie said:

It's much more powerful. Still has no games.

Hardware doesn't win the race. Never has.

So Crackdown 3, SoT and F7 don't count then.

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@boycie: Crackdown 3 looks terrible. I don't know why you guys keep listing that shovelware.

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@lbjmvp23 said:

@n64dd Microsoft blew smoke up everyone's behinds. The fanboys are doing 180's like normal. Here is the video from Digital foundry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ouvcowa_E

Here's a quote

"Where's the native 4K games?"

https://www.polygon.com/e3/2017/6/11/15779272/playerunknowns-battlegrounds-xbox-one-x-4k Playerunknown’s Battlegrounds on Xbox One X has 4K resolution.

http://gamingbolt.com/f1-2017-already-running-at-4k60fps-with-hdr-on-xbox-one-x-features-numerous-graphical-enhancements F1 2017 on Xbox One X has 4K resolution..

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#27  Edited By Wasdie  Moderator
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@boycie said:
@Wasdie said:

It's much more powerful. Still has no games.

Hardware doesn't win the race. Never has.

So Crackdown 3, SoT and F7 don't count then.

Not really. Crackdown has always been a pretty mediocre series never amounting to any large amount of sales. From what I see Crackdown 3 is no different. I could be wrong, but I'm probably not.

Sea of Thieves is a pretty small scale, co-op game that I'm personally looking forward to playing but is not one that will be a "must-have" for the console. The production values and focus on multiplayer is a turnoff. A must-have has single player and high production values. Very few games have ever broken this mold and I doubt that Sea of Thieves will.

The Forza series, like all sim-light racing games, is a pretty niche experience. Fans of the series will be dying to get their hands on it, but Forza has never been the system seller. I'll be getting it on my PC rather than Xbox One, but I have bought all of the rest of the games in the series. It's a fantastic racing series but never got the brand recognition that Gran Truismo did despite it being a better game from its first installment. Probably because the Xbox has never been as popular in Europe as the Playstation or it just simply missed its window. Who knows.

So no. As of right now I confidently say there are no upcoming games on the Xbox that are must-haves and will turn sales. Hopefully that changes in the future.

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lol

You can see how many people had sense about this last year vs. the dreamers.

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#30 NathanDrakeSwag
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@topramen said:

From everything I can tell the Xbox One X is the equivalent to 3.26 times more powerful than the PlayStation 4 not accounting for extended memory bandwidth, GPU customizations and advanced CPU performance. What this should essentially lead up to is games that are 1080p on the PS4 will render at roughly 3130x2160 (6,759,936 pixels) or what would be in the neighborhood of 900p short of a full native 4K image.

The PlayStation 4 Pro in this same 1080p scenario seems to be capable of about 1920x2160 (4,147,200 pixels) as has been shown by Horizon Zero Dawn, the PlayStation 4's best looking game. So the Xbox One X for example if it could theoretically run Horizon Zero Dawn you could expect it to render at 3130x2160 on the Xbox One X as opposed to 1920x2160 on the PlayStation 4 Pro and 1920x1080 on the PlayStation 4.

That's not "a little more powerful", that's a pretty drastic leap in resolution, 63% to be exact against the Pro and 226% above the PlayStation 4.

Did you really need to make a new account to post this ron?

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#32  Edited By ronvalencia
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@topramen said:

From everything I can tell the Xbox One X is the equivalent to 3.26 times more powerful than the PlayStation 4 not accounting for extended memory bandwidth, GPU customizations and advanced CPU performance. What this should essentially lead up to is games that are 1080p on the PS4 will render at roughly 3130x2160 (6,759,936 pixels) or what would be in the neighborhood of 900p short of a full native 4K image.

The PlayStation 4 Pro in this same 1080p scenario seems to be capable of about 1920x2160 (4,147,200 pixels) as has been shown by Horizon Zero Dawn, the PlayStation 4's best looking game. So the Xbox One X for example if it could theoretically run Horizon Zero Dawn you could expect it to render at 3130x2160 on the Xbox One X as opposed to 1920x2160 on the PlayStation 4 Pro and 1920x1080 on the PlayStation 4.

That's not "a little more powerful", that's a pretty drastic leap in resolution, 63% to be exact against the Pro and 226% above the PlayStation 4.

Did you really need to make a new account to post this ron?

Try again.

If PS4 has 1080p and XBO has 900p, there's a high chance for native 4K on X1X. The reason, my old R9-390X.

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#33  Edited By GameboyTroy
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Microsoft needs to put more effort into making more 1st party games that are good.

https://youtu.be/52830TsSkN4?t=61

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#34  Edited By QuadKnight
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You've got it covered OP, that's the XboneX in a nutshell. It's going to get decimated this holiday.

@ConanTheStoner said:

lol

You can see how many people had sense about this last year vs. the dreamers.

lol, that thread is hilarious. So many delusional lemmings flipping their shit over BS lies and marketing.

"Holy shit!! It's 4K 60fps across the board!!" LOL

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I swear there's the same topic every day with at least 90% of the content being the same, can we have one "One X slightly more powerful than Ps4 Pro, 100$ more, no exclusives" sticky?

Yeah it's the same shit, just a different day. Normal people call these threads damage control lol.

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#36  Edited By Primorandomguy
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I guess cows are grasping to the hope that multiplats on X1X will only be marginally better than PS Pro's version. And the false fact that the X1X is only slightly more powerful than the pro. Lol.

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Bottom line: lems hyped the X1X to be a super-4k-console. Turns out, it's a maybe-sometime-4k-but-probably-not-console.

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The XboneX is solid hardware, but kind of pointless without must have games.

Microsoft Studios couldnt put a non mediocre game, outside of Forza, if they wanted to.

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#39  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Xbox One X powerful.

@i_p_daily said:
@howmakewood said:

I swear there's the same topic every day with at least 90% of the content being the same, can we have one "One X slightly more powerful than Ps4 Pro, 100$ more, no exclusives" sticky?

Yeah it's the same shit, just a different day. Normal people call these threads damage control lol.

Of course I got games to play. (see sig below what current games I'm playing now)

@i_p_daily said:
@howmakewood said:

I swear there's the same topic every day with at least 90% of the content being the same, can we have one "One X slightly more powerful than Ps4 Pro, 100$ more, no exclusives" sticky?

Yeah it's the same shit, just a different day. Normal people call these threads damage control lol.

What else you guys wanna talk about here in SW? I would't say it's the same X1X threads but they do have there own different points of views.

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@n64dd:

Microsoft does have a market in mind. The elite gamers. I dunno if they meant people who want to play on the best quality or just pc gamers but that's where we're at. Another Pro.

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Well not that it matters much for me, because at the end of the day I'll be getting the XOneX regardless of how it compares to the PS-Pro, but I've read numerous articles that suggest the XOneX is significantly more powerful ....faster CPU, faster GPU(4.2 TF vs 6TF) and significantly more RAM as well(12GB vs 8GB).

But I think the PS-Pro is a nice console and if I had a library of PS4 games, I would have absolutely purchased it and may still do so next year now that I have a 4K TV which was the most expensive item in this whole scenario. I've seen how games look on Ps-Pro and I'm looking forward to getting a taste of this 4K goodness in a few months. I have a huge library of XOne games so the "no games comment" I will not even address that, if you want to make exaggerated statements to get your point across in System Wars, that's fine I won't get involved with that.

Sure it is nice that the XOneX will be the most powerful console when it releases, it is a nice bonus knowing I'm getting that value for my money but the fact that it outperforms the PS4-Pro is not my motivation for getting it whatsoever. Even if the PS-Pro released at the same time and was more powerful, I would still get the XOneX because I already have such a big library of games I really enjoy and play regularly.

The thing is that games like FH3 and Gears already look amazing on the X1S on my 4K TV at 1080P res. with HDR nicely calibrated, so I'm just stoked to see how significantly better they will look on XOneX. I'm paying a premium for a luxurious purchase and it's all in good fun. 10 years ago I probably would not have bothered, but I can afford it and gaming is my main hobby, so I'm onboard for this ride.

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@n64dd: where's this info? Or are you trying to base this assumption on the speculation of DF and targets Devs are wanting to hit?

As for your thread title X1X is way more powerful than a PS4. As an owner of Xbox One, I expect to see a significant jump in visuals, if that doesn't happen when comparison videos start dropping, I'll be passing on the X1X. It's safe to say you can see a difference but the only thing I can gauge that on is comparing Forza 6 on X1S to Forza 7 on X1X. I don't know if that's a good comparison so I continue to wait.

4 months at the most probably less when we start to see actual comparison videos. Keep your insecurities in check and just wait, it will happen soon. Then we can see who can gloat and pound their chests.

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It's about 1 year and $100 (actually higher value proposition counting the features missing from the pro) dollars more powerful than a ps4 pro whats wrong with that? Though truth be told i was hoping for a year delay and new gen system but for a premium iteration of an xbox one; its true real competitor, it smokes it. Original xb1 owners making the switch are going to witness a bigger jump (devs willing) than ps4 to pro adopters.

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@FastRobby said:

It's way more powerful. Shitty topic

Is 43% more power,the PS4 was 40% more powerful than the xbox one and you didn't care and dismiss the difference all gen long.

But on a generation that lemmings dismiss 40% more GPU power but hyped 10% more CPU speed anything could be expected.

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#46  Edited By _SKatEDiRt_
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I love being a pc gamer and not paying monthly subscription fees to steam :)

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@FastRobby said:

Lol, classic cows. Only thinking about the resolution, when there is so much more to do... DF already said that you will see a difference between two versions, the OneX version will be more refined, a "PC on High-Ultra High Settings". PS4 Pro isn't.

That's not a bad thing, we all knew this was going to happen when Microsoft announced project Scorpio. It has much more ram, more powerful CPU, and a more capable GPU. Don't be so insecure.

lol classic lemming denial.

Is 43% more power read it again 43%,and that is without taking FP16 into account on Pro,that difference has already been observed this gen,the PS4 in many games not only had higher resolution in many games also have better effects or sharper textures.

It has to much ram in fact for a 6TF GPU,the Fury with 4GB can reach 4k easier than the XBO X would,the main problem of the PS4 and XBO wasn't ram it was power.

It has a 10% faster CPU with 43% more GPU power that is a bottleneck which now DF recognize as well,if 2.1ghz bottleneck a 4.2TF GPU 2.3ghz will bottleneck a 6TF one even more the performance delta between CPU and GPU power is even bigger.

And is funny to see you lemming so confident now,calling people insecure when you lemms believed that a damn API would double power on the XBO and that the cloud would rise the power as well...

I surely can't wait for the XBO X to hit will have a blast quoting you people damage controlling 720p and 900p as been great only now to pretend that resolution matter again..lol

@Alucard_Prime said:

Well not that it matters much for me, because at the end of the day I'll be getting the XOneX regardless of how it compares to the PS-Pro, but I've read numerous articles that suggest the XOneX is significantly more powerful ....faster CPU, faster GPU(4.2 TF vs 6TF) and significantly more RAM as well(12GB vs 8GB).

Is 43% more powerful and has a bigger GPU to CPU disparity than pro.

Ram isn't the problem on Pro,5 GB is more than enough for 4k even more if we take into account the Pro isn't shooting for high or ultra.

The PS4 is 40% more powerful and you people have close to 4 years minimizing the gap,now want to pretend 3% more is a whole lot more..lol

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#48 Howmakewood
Member since 2015 • 7426 Posts

@davillain- said:

@howmakewood said:

I swear there's the same topic every day with at least 90% of the content being the same, can we have one "One X slightly more powerful than Ps4 Pro, 100$ more, no exclusives" sticky?

Yeah it's the same shit, just a different day. Normal people call these threads damage control lol.

What else you guys wanna talk about here in SW? I would't say it's the same X1X threads but they do have there own different points of views.

It is literally the same topic being created over and over again, nothing against speaking about it, but why do we need to recreate the same topic n+1 times where the topic is literally the same every time?

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#49 kingtito
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The same shitty topic, with the same shitty posters claiming the same shitty "no games" argument. We rational people call this damage control. I've never seen a product cause this much fear in a fanbase. X1X has you cows shook.

You cows and certain mods continue to be the clowns of SWs.

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#50 JtoThaMtoThaP
Member since 2016 • 1016 Posts

Shut up already.....you don't have to buy the thing. All I see is fanboys that wouldn't buy it anyway, complaining about it.