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#1 Link3301
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was the most overrated game not just last year but probably in past few years. I might even go as far to say most overrated of the 7th gen, but that's a bit extreme. Bioshock Infinite was extremely overrated. I finally bought it with the Bioshock Trilogy pack on Amazon during the Christmas sale, where for some reason it was cheaper than the game on its own. After beating it in a mere 8 hours, I can say I enjoyed it, but would never pay 60 dollars for it. Yet somehow it is one of the highest rated games on Metacritic. Frankly, it was very flawed. There was the craptastic tower defense fight, the nonsensical two weapon limit, and the absolute lack of the need for the player to figure out where to navigate to because an arrow on the ground will tell which exact steps to take. However, the worst offense was the story. The story has been praised almost universally by critics. However, the story really has no purpose. Booker and Elizabeth's relationship doesn't even seem to have any significance to it from an artistic perspective. The game is supposedly all about them, but it never really makes much of a point with them. Then there is of course the various themes the game "covers." The game goes hey look, that guys is racist/violent/evil/nationilist/overly-zealous. However, it never actually makes it a point. The game is just using the characters and setting to appear "artsy-fartsy." However, it doesn't really do anything artistic beyond having some pretty graphics and being a tad creative. The game throws in plot twist, emotional moments, and social inequality to convince you that it is the future of art. In reality, it just an average shooter with a lot of fat covering it. Can some explain to me why everyone seems to love this game to death?

TL;DR

Ken Levine force fed his game to many cookies.

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#2 mems_1224
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Nah, Journey and the Souls games are way more overrated. Infinite was incredible.

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#3 Bigboi500
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All threads starting out with "... can we all agree" is insta fail.

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#4 Link3301
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@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

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@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

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#6  Edited By Link3301
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@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

But it didn't really do anyhting better than any other games, and way worse in other departments.

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#7  Edited By mems_1224
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@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

But it didn't really do anyhting better than any other games, and way worse in other departments.

It had a great story, a great setting and great characters. If you go into a Bioshock game expecting good gameplay then you're doing it wrong.

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#8 Link3301
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@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

But it didn't really do anyhting better than any other games, and way worse in other departments.

It had a great story, a great setting and great characters. If you go into a Bioshock game expecting good gameplay then you're doing it wrong.

If you read my post, you would see that I mainly criticized the story, setting, and characters. I thought the game had good gameplay, but it wasn't anyhting amazing. I wasn't really expecting anything amazing for gameplay, but it really fails to live up to the hype in terms of story.

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@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

But it didn't really do anyhting better than any other games, and way worse in other departments.

It had a great story, a great setting and great characters. If you go into a Bioshock game expecting good gameplay then you're doing it wrong.

If you read my post, you would see that I mainly criticized the story, setting, and characters. I thought the game had good gameplay, but it wasn't anyhting amazing. I wasn't really expecting anything amazing for gameplay, but it really fails to live up to the hype in terms of story.

Nah, the story was great.

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#10  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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I think we can, easily one of the worst experiences I've ever had in any medium.

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#11  Edited By lostrib
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"can we all agree..."

Stopped right there. This is system wars, I highly doubt we can all agree

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#12 Link3301
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@ReadingRainbow4 said:

I think we can, easily one of the worst experiences I've ever had in any medium.

That's a tad extreme, it still had many good parts in terms of gameplay, it just could have been way better in the department, but it wasn't bad, just not great. Story was massively stupid though.

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#13  Edited By ReadingRainbow4
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@Link3301 said:

@ReadingRainbow4 said:

I think we can, easily one of the worst experiences I've ever had in any medium.

That's a tad extreme, it still had many good parts in terms of gameplay, it just could have been way better in the department, but it wasn't bad, just not great. Story was massively stupid though.

I really hated the game play and the pacing, it was a straight up linear progression rail shooter which really disappointed me especially considering the series pedigree.

Art design was great, everything else was total shit.

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#14  Edited By AznbkdX
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I liked it. Kind of dumb that they threw all that crap at you at the very end (both the horde fight and the ending), but it was still enjoyable otherwise. A few too many fire fights made it drag a bit near the end, but I genuinely think I might like it more than the original only because the gunplay didn't suck like the first one did.

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It was fun to play, enjoyable to romp around and great to see through to the end. So I'd say we can't all agree.

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#16  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Gameplay wise, it sucked(inconsistent difficulty) but it was fun. Spammed with life and ammo, like the previous Bioshock games. Story, it's subjective. I liked the theory behind it all. The visuals were stunning and the voice acting was fantastic. It was very immersive. Overrated? Yes. Does that mean it sucked? Absolutely not.

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#17 uninspiredcup
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Poor mans Halflife 2.

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#18 Gargus
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LOL at any thread that starts with "Can we all agree"

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#19 the_bi99man
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@Link3301 said:

So can we all agree...

No.

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#20  Edited By AznbkdX
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I guess one way to make it less drab is to use all the powers at your disposal, but I bet most just grabbed the weapon of choice (mine were the shotty and revolver) and one vigor, then cheesed the game with them. This is probably the reason why I thought the game dragged a bit too much on the fire fights.

I can agree story wise that it was awkward, and also feel the theory behind the ending had one too many holes in it. I honestly didn't think too much about it after the fact, but it's obvious to see the parallel universe theory that they were trying to preach was fairly limited. I can argue that cramming it all at the end weakened it, and there was a good amount of backtracking that needed to be done (which is easy to forget about due to the incessant use of shooty bang that covers up main story parts) to really understand it at all. I don't got time for that kind of crap but did put two together for the gist of it all.

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#21 Sushiglutton
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Really fun game and great experience all around with underrated gameplay.

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#22  Edited By NoirLamia777
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I'm playing through it right now, good game but nowhere near as good as the first two.

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#23 beganoo
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Average gameplay.As far as the story goes I can see why people might like it but I hated it.Its paradox filled mess that essentially gave the middle finger to the original bioshck universe.

The game started off so damn good too... what a shame.

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#24  Edited By biggest_loser
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There's a lot of smoke and mirrors with that game. Take away the gorgeous art direction and there's just a simple, underwhelming and sometimes boring shooter that isn't even well crafted. If you look at the shape of those levels and the spaces, its not even designed for the powers properly.

Some parts involving backtracking are poorly done too, like that club you visit.

I wasn't anywhere near as involved with the characters this time either.

There are some magical images, particularly early on, but its pretty disappointing. That ending only serves to distract you from how standard the game play is.

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#25 Evo_nine
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my 2013 game of the year.

So no, I don't agree.

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#26 ShepardCommandr
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Of course not,that titles belongs to the last of us.

Bioshock infinite was an incredible experience.

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#27  Edited By lawlessx
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can we call agree that threads that start with "can we all agree that" are always terrible?

also i enjoyed bioshock infinite even though the ending threw me into a loop

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#28 DarkLink77
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Nah. Loved Infinite. Great story, good characters, excellent world building, and Skylines were ace.

Is it a flawed game? Sure. Most are. Doesn't make it bad, and I don't think it's overrated.

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#29 Basinboy
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No, I vehemently disagree.

Good night.

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#30 Lulu_Lulu
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Yes its Overated. But mobility is much better than its predecessors and real time weapon/vigor switching is much simpler.

Also I really like its Narrative !

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#31 Vaasman
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Infinite was excellent, and critically praised for it.

Deal with it.

No, we can't all agree on shit, anyone who pretends we can is an idiot.

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#32  Edited By WTA2k5
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No. Tomb Raider gets the most overrated game of 2013 title. Infinite definitely doesn't live up to its self-serious posturing or its ridiculous critical reception - Adam Sessler saying its ending is as good as the endings to Chinatown and Waiting For Gadot is one of the more absurd things I've ever seen in a review.

But it's still a very good game. In fact, it's probably one of the best singleplayer first-person shooters of this gen.

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#33 schu
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I'm a total PC guy and I thought that Infinite was trash in comparison to the first. I just don't get the appeal.

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#34  Edited By Lulu_Lulu
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@ schu

You don't find Elizabeth Apealling ?

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#35 Rage010101
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I concur

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#36  Edited By wis3boi
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@the_bi99man said:

@Link3301 said:

So can we all agree...

No.

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Yes, most overrated of the year and up there for generation. Infinite wastes it's wonderful creation with emptiness. It spends so much time focusing on trying to be a tricky story of dimension jumping. The shooting is ok, but it's just really just a sequence of shooting areas and you move forward to the next. Bioshock 1 and 2 had a real sense of place, in that you'd spend serious time in areas and have to set up traps or go in a different direction then come back to a hub area where it was filled with other splicers. Elizabeth is a good character, but she is not a great one. See Alyx of Ellie for great AI partners.

I think the main reason people love it is because of the setting, those "ooh ahh" moments when you are floating on the cloud in a building. I concede that actually designing the story would have taken some considerable thought and preparation, but it comes at a huge cost to the actual experience imo. Not a bad game, but far from greatness.

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#38 jg4xchamp
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Overrated in what sense?

Metascore? lots of games last year were given more credit than they deserve

Hype train? sure, but GTA 5 had a monster hype train as well

Is the game bad or incapable of entertaining? no, matter of fact it's a pretty solid game. It has a lot of misfires, but that's triple A game design for you.

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#39 PAL360
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No, Bioshock Infinite is amazing.

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#40 R3FURBISHED
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BioShock: Infinite was a very good game, I agree

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#42 Sweenix
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Yes, although trash effect is more overrated

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#43  Edited By Krelian-co
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@Vaasman said:

Infinite was excellent, and critically praised for it.

Deal with it.

No, we can't all agree on shit, anyone who pretends we can is an idiot.

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#44 lunar1122
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it was an okay game, over rated i agree. . Gameplay was garbage and felt really outdated..i pretty much was playing it just for the story which wasn't that great either.

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#45  Edited By KittenNose
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Bioshock is worth sixty dollars easy, but at the end of the day it is proof that in video games the story doesn't really matter if you get to kill enough generic white guys. In fact if you have to choose between a more nuanced story and killing more generic white guys, you really should fire up the anglo-clone-maticman 5000 and focus on increasing the amount of spectacle you can pump into a death animation.

We can and should do better, but we are not exactly spoiled for choice right now are we? I mean if you want to I guess you can pick up Medal of Honor and ice some people from the middle east absent context, but you are not going to find much nuance in a big budget game. Hard to empathize with someone who slaughters by the thousand if the corpses left in their wake were not monstrous in life.

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#46 padaporra
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Not that it wasn't great, but it wasn't that great. A convoluted story and a mediocre gameplay are the reasons for that.

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#47  Edited By Litchie
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Well, it sure was dissapointing playing the game after hearing so much praise for it. I had no idea why it was praised.. Definitely the worst BioShock yet, and not worth buying, imo. BioShock 2, which recieved much hate, was a lot better than Infinite.

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#48  Edited By longtonguecat
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Hating on BioShock Infinite and using double standards is cool.

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@Bigboi500 said:

All threads starting out with "... can we all agree" is insta fail.

Could not agree more ....

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#50  Edited By Bread_or_Decide
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@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Link3301 said:

@mems_1224 said: Infinite was incredible.

Please elaborate.

Whats there to elaborate on? It was a great game, unlike the first Bioshock.

But it didn't really do anyhting better than any other games, and way worse in other departments.

It had a great story, a great setting and great characters. If you go into a Bioshock game expecting good gameplay then you're doing it wrong.

Dafuq? I loved the gameplay. How can a game be good if it has bad gameplay? These aren't movies man. You PLAY it for the majority of the time.