Series X vs New GPU and SSD For PC

I was planning on 100% getting a Series X until now I heard AC Valhalla is gonna run at at least 30 fps. This is not the 90's, 30fps is not acceptable anymore.

I still kind of want one but I was wondering if I should just get a SSD since I don't have one yet, and a new GPU for my PC. I don't want to spend anymore than $500 USD, guessing that's how much a Series X will cost.

My GPU now is an RX 480 which isn't bad. I can play most modern games at medium settings at 3200x1800 with 50-60 fps. But now I have a 120hz 4k display and would like to put it to it's best use. I know pretty much no GPU can handle 4k at 120hz with modern games, but I'd like to run them at at least 1440p at 120hz.

If console games are still going to be going the route of "at least 30 fps" I'm not sure I want one though.

Question is should I look at current GPUs/SSDs or wait until holiday season to see what advances have been made?

This entire gen and the one before that were sporting 30FPS and all of that occurred in the 2000s. 30FPS is 2000s thing.

To your question, you have no other choice but to wait. No official announcements for new GPUs have been disclosed.

@chokymcchicken: Asscreed is more of an outlier than the norm I believe. There will be plenty of games running at high resolution and high framerates on both XSX and PS5. To get a top tier SSD like the consoles and a GPU to match Series X is gonna cost much more than $500 as of May 2020. Now if you wait to upgrade to say an RTX 3060 S then it becomes more doable.

Totally believable... No, really. :o

:P

Well, do you mostly game on a PC, or on a console?

If your primary platform is PC, I'd wait till the Black Friday. A lot of stuff will be up for grabs on a bargain.

If you game on a console, get a console for that money.

@SecretPolice: He doesn't seem to unbelievable, most alts or spammers would have a much more click-baity title.

@nfamouslegend:

Coincky dinkly, he just signed up today just to make this thread about an as of yet unknown what fps will be the norm for XSX, eh? Yup, oh I believe, I do. :P

And decided to ask in the System Wars forum instead of the General Game Discussion forum.

Yup..

Guess I'll wait 'til the system actually releases to make a decision... lol at you tinfoil hat guys though.

XBSX got fanboys shitting it

HaH

@chokymcchicken:

funky chicken... lololol :P

Someone should make some post limit to cool down the pathetic altcunts...

What is your CPU? How long do you want to hold on to the upgrade for?

If your objective is to beat the XSX/PS5 by spending 500 bucks on PC parts now then you will be disappointed.

I would hold off for now and save up more for a build next year. by then we will have the RTX 3000 series, RDNA 2 GPUs, Zen 3 CPUs (and intel may surprise), intel are entering the GPU market (though the noise from there isn't good) and faster SSDs to boot (will be useful for games built for next gen).

I would only suggest an upgrade now if you just want to play todays games faster and are not fussed about what comes down the road (maybe you are thinking about upgrading again next year).

I honestly don't understand the hate for 30fps. The only time fps has even mattered to me was with VR where it needs to be closer to 120fps to help against nausea.

@chokymcchicken:

Geometry power superiority remains with NVIDIA.

I'm actually in a somewhat similar situation although I'm probably gonna wait a year before making a decision.

I think you should atleast wait til theres' a better picture of how devs are using the power of the new consoles. For me if most multi plats continue to go for 30fps then pc upgrade it is ... and I'll probably wait for the price to drop on the consoles.

if consoles was made at top of the line stuff and ran as good as pc and pay 500 for. the pc market would crash because why spend over 2000 for top end gpu when you can get the gpu and everything else for 500. think about how that would affect the pc world.

You should def get an SSD. It'll make your system waaaay snappier.

Well you won't come close to PS5/XSX performance using a $500 PC.

If you want a quality, future-proof motherboard, RAM, PSU, CPU etc an RTX 2060 based PC will cost you $2000, that's 4 times the price of an XSX or PS5 (assumptive price) but much less power...

I might make a return to PC gaming, but definitely skipping Turing and Ampere, might build around an RTX 4080 Ti in ≈ 2022.

Just spend $500 in SSDs and substitute all you hardware for SSDs.

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Best Buy)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($194.99 @ Best Buy)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ Best Buy)

Case: Antec VSK4000E U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($43.19 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: EVGA 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Best Buy)

Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-2207 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($34.99 @ Amazon)

Total: $1363.12

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Targeting between PS5 and XSX.

Cheaper with AMD B550 motherboard.

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Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Best Buy)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($199.98 @ Amazon)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card ($693.98 @ Newegg)

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@ronvalencia: Mouse, keyboard and windows needs to be added. Also a monitor if its not going to be connected to the TV.

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($289.99 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard ($169.99 @ Best Buy)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($194.99 @ Best Buy)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card ($499.99 @ Best Buy)

Case: Antec VSK4000E U3 ATX Mid Tower Case ($43.19 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: EVGA 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Best Buy)

Optical Drive: Pioneer BDR-2207 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($34.99 @ Amazon)

Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($8.99 @ Target)

Mouse: Logitech B100 Wired Optical Mouse ($8.99 @ Adorama)

Total: $1381.10

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Windows 10 Professional (1PC) at $9.49 (OEM key)

Windows is free, not sure why everyone brings it up.

If you buy a PC buy the following.

1) 10k 6 core series or 8 core series from intel for 170 or 220 bucks, or if amd offers cheaper 4000 series go for that.

2) get 16 GB of memory for 70 bucks

3) whatever motherboard that supports it for 70 bucks

4) 3060 rtx for 300 bucks when it launches.

5) whatever SSD u like for 50-100 bucks

Total cost

~600 bucks

U already got a pc so case powersupply keyboard mouse etc is all already there.

Maybe u need to buy a new windows for 3-4 bucks from a key site and done.

I would also say it is a false argument to say you need to add a monitor to a PC if you are not using a TV, because that assumes everyone has a TV, but I don't own a TV and I have 2 friends that also do not own TV's and I know many people don't. So If you say this about a PC, then you have to say the same thing for a console that you must add the cost of a TV. Anyone that is upgrading from a current desktop PC will have a monitor or TV if they use that instead. Keyboard and Mice can be dirt cheap if you choose. Windows can be fully used for gaming for Free and other stuff with 95% full functionality(Just a watermark and can't change some visual settings) or for $10 or less for a legal key. Consoles are a great value for what you pay though. I much prefer PC for gaming though.

Definitely not a stealth PC bashing thread from a price point.

@ronvalencia: so $1400 and $1800 not including KB/M, or any Windows platform. I just helped my friend build a PC, he wanted a sub-€1000 PC, but I made him spend €1800

A good mouse and a good mechanical keyboard is €150 (not the crap posted later) which is still not the best, but good.

Windows 10 is €100-200 depending on which version. I am not sure if those keys work for each region

I urged him to opt for a 2070 Super (which is still on par at best if not weaker than PS5, and weaker than XSX) but would press the PC cost to €2000, which is more than double what he wanted to pay.

the PC was the following:

• RTX 2060 Super (I wanted to say go for AMD's RX 5700xt, but he wanted nvidia)
• AMD Ryzen 5 six-core CPU
• a fast NVMe.2 with 1TB storage
• Extra 4TB HDD
• 16gb of decent RAM (considered 32gb but 16 should be fine for now)
• A mobo that fit everything, don't remember which
• nice looking case
• a decent wireless mechanical keyboard and wireless gaming mouse for couch gaming this was a must, and going for a decent wired mechanical keyboard and wired gaming mouse didn't save much anyway
• a solid, future-proof PSU. More than you need today, but should have no problem powering an RTX 4070 or even RTX 4080 for many years onward.

Total price ≈ €1800

I am not including the cost of :

• Klipsch speakers (€1000)
• Beyerdynamic headphones (€300)
• 32" 144hz monitor (€800)

So technically the total cost was just under €4000, but the PC itself with mandatory stuff was just shy of €2000.

I wanted to fit a 2070 Super in there, but had to go cheaper on something else if I forced that GPU.

• Choose a weaker PSU that might not handle a new 4000 series GPU or last very long?
• only go for 8GB ram in the year 2020?
• Choose a non-NVMe SSD as your main storage?
• Start off with less than of storage?
• A weaker CPU than Ryzen 5? Ryzen 3? Core i5? You might be fine today, but that will bottleneck fast.

So in other words, none of those options were viable. Maybe less storage, but to be fair you didn't save that much money switching to a regular 512GB SSD + 2 TB HDD compared to 1 TB NVMe + 4TB HDD

The benefit is that the website builds the PC for you with that €1800. But things are generally more expensive here than US.

I would recommend waiting until the 3000 series release. You will probably be able to get a 3060 for 350 bucks, and that should equal a 2080 if rumored specs are to be believed.

@latech84: PC gamers love talking about master race this and master race that,

...

Then they suggest people use 10 year old monitors and buy $7 keyboards and office-mice from thrift shops.

Nah man, give me a 27"/1440p/144hz (at the very least), good mechanical keyboard, etc.

@Mozelleple112: I don't disagree, I am just saying you can if you want to.

RT performance of 3060 is suppose to rival 2080ti.... so sweet

@ronvalencia: Oh and for reference:

an RTX 2070 Super is €700 and AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is €400 here.

Those two PC parts alone are €1100. (compared to €350 PS4 Pro and €450 X1X, I assume PS5/XSX will be €500)

RTX 2060 Super is €500 and Ryzen 5 3600X is €300. So that's €800 for those two budget parts, not including SSD, case, PSU, mobo, KB, mouse, Windows, etc, etc..

an RTX 2080 Super is €1100 and Ryzen 9 is €550. You could buy a PS5, X1X, a Switch and still have money left :p

I am not saying you are right or wrong, but just to be clear on this: It sounds like you're pricing is a combination of parts costing hundreds of dollars more were you live than in the US and you using very expensive Mouse and Keyboard and a full price copy of Windows. I myself would not want to use anything other than I nice mouse and keyboard but you can game fine without them. I can always find Global Win 10 keys that work in all regions for about $12.50 to $15 tops for reference. Once again though I agree with your point, but am just saying you can get stuff for the price that he mentioned in the US and if you already have a PC, you often already have a Good Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse and don't have to buy them again. Most PC Gamers are just upgrading their PC's, only brand new PC gamers would need to even think about that most of the time. That being said it costs allot more to get a brand new PC with similar specs to the next gen consoles.

Budgeting $500? Just go with the Xbox. An NVMe drive will set you back a decent portion of that, and that doesn't even touch the GPU.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is a console vs. PC price thread in a minor disguise, but I decided to answer you earnestly.

@latech84: Fair point then I guess we agree. Things in general are more expensive than the US, but in return we get five year warranty on everything, so it evens out. I honestly didn't know about those keys, so that's nice if it works all regions/languages (I have all my stuff in English so it doesn't matter for me...) and doesn't void the 5 year warranty in anyway.

Back when I bought my gaming PC in 2009 (Just under €3000, it had an early-gen SSD, dual Radeon HD 5870s, first gen Core i7 etc) I'm pretty sure you had to shell out €200-300 for Windows 7 Pro... but I saved that money but choosing to sail the high seas... I paid for that later lol so many bugs and errors I couldn't fix.

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Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£78.34 @ Ebuyer)

Storage: Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£169.99 @ Amazon UK)

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Case: GameMax Saber ATX Mid Tower Case (£36.80 @ CCL Computers) with full tempered glass

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Keyboard: Microsoft ANB-00006 Wired Slim Keyboard (£9.59 @ Amazon UK)

Mouse: Microsoft 4YH-00001 Wired Optical Mouse (£19.98 @ Amazon UK)

Total: £1292.91

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

I don't live in the UK, I source my parts from the US when it's price competitive.

I dislike wireless keyboard and mouse due to latency issues i.e. I rather add USB wire extensions.

FS2020's idea spec is targeting XSX like performance profile.