Seems multiplats will be the same

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#51 Zero_epyon
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@Sagemode87: Is there a source for this?

NVM found it

https://wccftech.com/watch-dog-legion-4k-30fps-ps5-xsx-raytracing/#:~:text=Gaming-,Watch%20Dogs%20Legion%20Runs%20at%204K%4030FPS%20With%20Ray%20Tracing,PS5%20and%20Xbox%20Series%20X&text=Watch%20Dogs%20Legion%20will%20run,resolution%20during%20a%20Reddit%20AMA.

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#52  Edited By Sevenizz
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@Sagemode87: You’re the one making wild claims so you do the work. I have no plans on buying a ps5 so why should I?

Also, to your bullshit claim that the ps4 is 50% more powerful than a base Xbox One is incredibly inaccurate. Of course no link to back that up either.

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#53  Edited By Sagemode87
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I find it funny how Lems are always trying to make a case for Series S by saying it's a good option if you don't have a 4K TV yet act like there will be some big difference from PS5 and Series X outside of possible resolution differences. If there was a graphical difference from PS5 and X, wouldn't there be a huge difference from X and S? Lems forget Series X doesn't do everything better than PS5. Done taking Lems serious.

https://n4g.com/news/2379636/watch-dogs-legion-will-run-at-4k-30fps-on-xsx-and-ps5-ray-tracing-support-confirmed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamesradar.com/amp/black-ops-cold-war-120fps/

https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/mustafa-mahmoud/assassins-creed-valhalla-confirmed-to-also-run-at-4k60-on-ps5/

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#54  Edited By hardwenzen
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@Sagemode87 said:

@hardwenzen: again, if it was 30 percent we'd see a difference in resolution and framerate. Unless you guys actually think the difference is so big there will be different graphical settings, which is laughable considering PS4 and Xbox One had the same graphical settings with a 50 percent difference. Just accept that both machines are similar. The Xbox brand must suck if you guys HAVE to have a big advantage for it to be relevant πŸ˜‚

And we will. We will notice way more and more severe drops in frames as well. Don't worry, its all there. Be ready to damage control DF vids lol. Its coming, and in under a month now.

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#55 clone01
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How does really surprise anyone besides idiot fanboys?

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@Sevenizz: tired of owning you today https://www.digitalspy.com/videogames/xbox-one/a483743/ps4-has-50-more-raw-power-in-graphics-than-xbox-one-says-report/

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@Sagemode87 said:

I find it funny how Lems are always trying to make a case for Series S by saying it's a good option if you don't have a 4K TV yet act like there will be some big difference from PS5 and Series X outside of possible resolution differences. If there was a graphical difference from PS5 and X, wouldn't there be a huge difference from X and S? Lems forget Series X doesn't do everything better than PS5. Done taking Lems serious.

https://n4g.com/news/2379636/watch-dogs-legion-will-run-at-4k-30fps-on-xsx-and-ps5-ray-tracing-support-confirmed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamesradar.com/amp/black-ops-cold-war-120fps/

https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/mustafa-mahmoud/assassins-creed-valhalla-confirmed-to-also-run-at-4k60-on-ps5/

Do those links confirm same settings?

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@lundy86_4: considering PS4 and Xbox One had the same settings on games with bigger power difference, can easily assume it'll be the same setting here with a MUCH smaller difference. Thanks.

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@Sagemode87 said:

@lundy86_4: considering PS4 and Xbox One had the same settings on games with bigger power difference, can easily assume it'll be the same setting here with a MUCH smaller difference. Thanks.

So... No. Thus this thread is worthless. I'd like to thank you, mate.

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#60 Sevenizz
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@Sagemode87: Lolz! That’s an old article before either console released that was based on leaks - it was debunked years ago!

Really dude?

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#61 Sagemode87
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@lundy86_4: you're free to let yourself and your delusions out, thanks.

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#62  Edited By briguyb13
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tc is 12 years old lol!

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#63  Edited By lundy86_4
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@Sagemode87 said:

@lundy86_4: you're free to let yourself and your delusions out, thanks.

You're obligated to provide evidence. You made the claim... Therefore, can you provide some links?

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#64  Edited By sheep99
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@hardwenzen: well that’s how it’s usually measured by teraflops. Used to be bits like ps one i believe was 16 bit and N64 = 64 bit and so on

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@sheep99: ps1 was 32-bit

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#66  Edited By tormentos
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@lundy86_4:

So you continue to run damage control for the xbox? Its kind of pathetic at this point

Here we are on a site were virtually all lemmings have claim there would be a difference in resolution between both platforms, were people outside the lemming circle have claim that as well, and now all of the sudden the PS5 is say to run at the same resolution and frames and some how people run and hide on settings? When most consoles have show resolution or frames disparities over settings to show the difference?

I hope there is some disparities between both consoles, because it didnt took the PS4 or Xbox one X 1 much time to show its muscle over the competition in fact it was instantaneous and 4k vs 1800p 720p vs 1080p it was there.

Now i simply dont see the gap.

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#67 Bluestars
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xbox serious x proclaimed β€œthe worlds most powerful console by MS,not countered by Sony and confirmed by tech experts.

at the announcement of the tower of power at e3 MS employees said they listened to what devs wanted and delivered

now use that power advantage you lazy bastards..HaH

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@bluestars:

There is no question about the xbox been more powerful kingtito, the actual argument is by how much 18% is not that big which is probably why the series X and PS5 are at the same resolution in the multiplatforms i have read about until now.

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@BassMan said:

Most developers are just trying to get their games ready for launch. So, you won't see much difference between the 2 and I expect more parity early on. Once we are into the generation, developers will spend more time tweaking for each platform.

Yup. Just like before.

Not saying the difference will ever be big between PS5 and Xbox X.. S. X? XX. S.

But it's gonna be fun seeing fanboys fighting over which console has the slightly better subpar graphics.

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#72 regnaston
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https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

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@regnaston said:

https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

Not sure this is due to the less power on PS5, but more to do with the limits of backward compatibility mode.

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@tdkmillsy said:
@regnaston said:

https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

Not sure this is due to the less power on PS5, but more to do with the limits of backward compatibility mode.

This seems to be the case. It looks like the PS4 Pro version hard limit of 1800p when scaling up so the game won't go beyond that even if it had the extra resources to. It'll need a patch to raise that limit to 4K if it's able.

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#76 kingtito
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@tormentos said:

@bluestars:

There is no question about the xbox been more powerful kingtito, the actual argument is by how much 18% is not that big which is probably why the series X and PS5 are at the same resolution in the multiplatforms i have read about until now.

Are you still upset PS_John oops gifford38 oops I mean el tormented? You had trouble sleeping again?

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#77 regnaston
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@Zero_epyon said:
@tdkmillsy said:
@regnaston said:

https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

Not sure this is due to the less power on PS5, but more to do with the limits of backward compatibility mode.

This seems to be the case. It looks like the PS4 Pro version hard limit of 1800p when scaling up so the game won't go beyond that even if it had the extra resources to. It'll need a patch to raise that limit to 4K if it's able.

The PS4 version is Dynamic resolution, unless Sony is using some weird BC mode where it dummies down the system to match last gen specs, then there would be no reason why it can not go higher if the system is capable. We have seen X1 games that are unoptimized for the XSX run better on the X just because of brute force.

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#78  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Both games are capped at 30FPS because neither console is strong enough to run the games at 60FPS on high resolutions and graphics... Its a Ubisoft game.

You will see the difference in games trying to hit 60FPS, PS5 version will be running at lower settings and resolutions on those games.

EDIT: Also the fact that some of you are using he difference in TFLOP as a way to determine performance is f****ing hilarious, go back to your rooms and as mummy for OLED TV for Christmas so you can actually play these games at 4K/HDR using HDMI2.1.

The CU advantage the XSX has along with memory bandwidth is FAR more suited for higher resolution games with Ray Tracing.

Like I said wait till games use 60FPS and then compare... The PS5 will not keep up, its a 2060 Super vs 2080 if you lock them both at high resolutions at 30FPS it will look like a fair fight but unlock that framerate cap and see what happens.

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#79 Zero_epyon
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@regnaston said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@tdkmillsy said:
@regnaston said:

https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

Not sure this is due to the less power on PS5, but more to do with the limits of backward compatibility mode.

This seems to be the case. It looks like the PS4 Pro version hard limit of 1800p when scaling up so the game won't go beyond that even if it had the extra resources to. It'll need a patch to raise that limit to 4K if it's able.

The PS4 version is Dynamic resolution, unless Sony is using some weird BC mode where it dummies down the system to match last gen specs, then there would be no reason why it can not go higher if the system is capable. We have seen X1 games that are unoptimized for the XSX run better on the X just because of brute force.

Well yeah the thing is it's a dynamic scale between a lower bound and an upper bound. The lower bound tells the game how low to drop the game to save performance. The upper bound tells the game how high to go when there's enough power available. The game bounces between the two throughout the game. DICE, not Sony, set these limits and if they don't patch the game these lower and upper bounds will still be in place even if it were running on a 3090.

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@regnaston: You can't be this delusional, it's a last gen game. This has to do with back compat. Cold War is a more demanding game and its native 4k on PS5. Lems are a sad bunch.

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#81 Sagemode87
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: you actually think the small gap is enough for higher settings πŸ€” you guys can't be this desperate...

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@regnaston said:

https://twistedvoxel.com/battlefield-5-native-4k-60-fps-xbox-series-x-1800p-60-fps-ps5/

Battlefield 5 will be 4k/60fps on XSX and 1800p/60fps on PS5

That's 44% improvement with Series X. πŸ˜‚

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@Sagemode87 said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: you actually think the small gap is enough for higher settings πŸ€” you guys can't be this desperate...

Small gap...

36 CU vs 52 CU's and 100MB/s more memory bandwidth.... That's small?...

I suggest you take your insecurity elsewhere son, its just a games console there is no need to get so attached... Maybe find a nice girl or boy and you know occupy your thoughts on other small gaps.

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: on paper stats that doesn't take into account PS5 advantages. Not to mention the CU isn't apples to apples. Why aren't the games showing an advantage for Series X? PS4 showed its advantages right away, what's your excuse. Oh, you're just trolling. Good day sir.

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#85 The6millionLies
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@Sagemode87: PS4 18 CU vs Xbox one 12CU, now we have PS5 36 CU vs XSX 52CU why according to you the first is a big gap and now this new one isn't ?

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There hasn't been any comparisons yet and Cows are in full stampede mode already. Relax guys you will get your DF comparisons.

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf:

So the gap between 1.8GHz and 2.23ghz is nothing right?

So if we reduce the series X speed to 1GHz does it still retain its 12TF?

How about the 6GB which are actually slower?

Those dont count either?

Is funny you are a suposed "PC" gamer yet you ommit on purppose 2 xbox disadvantages.

Performance is not just tied to CU is also tied to speed of those CU which is why the gap is 18% yo 21% that is half of what the PS4 had over the xbox one and less than half the gap between the Xbox one X and PS4 Pro.

I dont know but until now i havent see a difference judging by the announce resolution and target frames, on 2013 and 2017 they were palpable so why not now in the same form if the gap is as big as you pretend it is.

Oh wait now i remember you are that fool who claimed the PS5 would over heat.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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@regnaston:

""While Battlefield 5 won’t get a special update for the Xbox Series X or PS5, it already runs at a dynamic resolution on the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. As a result, the improved hardware performance for the Xbox Series X and PS5 will make it possible for the game to run at its peak resolution that was specified for the game on the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.""

Your desperation at this point is pathetic.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

The game has a 1800p hard limit so it stick to it,this is just BC.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

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@the6millionlies:

Because GPU performance is not just based on number of CU speed is also calculated into that equation.

A 1GHZ 52CU will not reach 12TF, at 1.8GHz it does, the PS5 has less CU but has 400mhz faster speed on each of those CU.

So the actual gap in paper is smaller than the gap between the xbox one and xbox one X and Pro as well.

And some of you simply cant get it.

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#90 Pedro
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That 1800p PS5 is rough. We already have a 1440p Demon Souls. 😎

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#91  Edited By drummerdave9099
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Nah, Series X will have better framerates, shadows, effects, etc

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#92  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@tormentos said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf:

So the gap between 1.8GHz and 2.23ghz is nothing right?

So if we reduce the series X speed to 1GHz does it still retain its 12TF?

How about the 6GB which are actually slower?

Those dont count either?

Is funny you are a suposed "PC" gamer yet you ommit on purppose 2 xbox disadvantages.

Performance is not just tied to CU is also tied to speed of those CU which is why the gap is 18% yo 21% that is half of what the PS4 had over the xbox one and less than half the gap between the Xbox one X and PS4 Pro.

I dont know but until now i havent see a difference judging by the announce resolution and target frames, on 2013 and 2017 they were palpable so why not now in the same form if the gap is as big as you pretend it is.

Oh wait now i remember you are that fool who claimed the PS5 would over heat.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

6GB which are slower?... Buddy 10GB is no where near close to being utilized at 4K, so yes the other 6GB being slower means nothing.

GHz mean nothing for a GPU when the gap in CU count is that high, just look at a 5700 with 36 CUs vs a 40 CU 5700XT it takes 300MHz overclock just to bridge the gap and in some games the CU count means more, and that is a 4 CU difference... A 16 CU difference, it doesn't matter what frequency you run it at it wont come close to bridging the gap.

Look into your hardware before post, google and see what happened to the same GPU GTX 1660 when they added faster VRAM and callled it the Super with the SAME TFLOP count and it beat a 1660 Ti with more cores to boot:

Combine the faster VRAM and more CU's... I don't even know why I'm talking to you if your that dumb to understand there's clear performance gap between the two with the already clear resolution difference in games then what can I tell you.

As for me saying PS5 will overheat?... Bring up the link. Stop throwing out claims that you stretch it wont work with me.

I said and I am write the PS5 will be hotter and louder than the XSX because of its inferior cooling design in terms of airflow and I was right.

I will make this claim... Quote me and save it, The PS5 will struggle to maintain its rated frequencies that bring it to 10.2 TFLOPS, it will fluctuate in frequencies all the time. There's no vapour chamber and the fan has horrible direct airflow It will struggle to maintain 2GHz and over after 10-20 minutes of gameplay, it will drop to 1.9GHz. Quote me.... Instead of talking out your butt like the OP have a link of reference to what the f*** you talk about.

Insecure little men.

Its the biggest console ever made and still can't cool the PS5 without ramping up fans... Because Sony chose style of performance with the case design, no Vapour chamber = big case, no direct airflow to fan other than horrible slits on sides of the front panel = Fan RPM will increase when it gets hot to get more air which it desperately needs.

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@tormentos: But is it going to be always at same clock speeds to feed those CUs? What if MS increases their GPU speeds to PS5 similar speeds ?

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#94 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@the6millionlies said:

@tormentos: But is it going to be always at same clock speeds to feed those CUs? What if MS increases their GPU speeds to PS5 similar speeds ?

You don't need to ask him, PS5 has variable frequencies for both CPU and GPU so the answer is absolutely not and the fact that they are using heat pipes with no vapour chamber... Its Absolutely f***ing not.

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@Sagemode87 said:

@hardwenzen: the 9.2 is made up by fanboys. 10.3 is straight from Sony and Cerny. Who's the one having a hard time accepting?

Where did Sony or Cerny confirmed it's 10.3 or 9.2?

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#96  Edited By hrt_rulz01
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@BassMan said:

Most developers are just trying to get their games ready for launch. So, you won't see much difference between the 2 and I expect more parity early on. Once we are into the generation, developers will spend more time tweaking for each platform.

This. The power difference will start to become more noticeable the further into the gen we get.

Look at the difference between the XB1X & PS4 Pro versions of RDR 2 for example. X had the waaaay better version.

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#97  Edited By tormentos
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf:

Please stop your are making a fool of your self.

Yeah the series X and PS5 have 16GB because it will never be fully use, didnt you buffoons claim the same shit with the PS4 and xbox one when both had more ram than the 7970 in 2013? How well did that hold up?

You are been intetionally dishonest oh a comparison were you should have no horse in the race, the PS5 has 6GB of faster ram and speed of the GPU is crucial to its final power.

The problem here is that you think ram is equivalent to the power you have when that is not even close to be true, and this gen proved that.

Now fake PC gamer the gap is 18 to 21% if you have any other information we dont share it, fact is you still believe the PS5 will over heat and sound like a jet engine. πŸ˜‚

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#98  Edited By tormentos
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@the6millionlies: @Grey_Eyed_Elf:

Yeah they will rise the GPU speed by 400mhz on a console that already is at 61 degrees you sound just as silly as Gray, dont expect speed increase in xbox is not a PC and is not something you will do without problems, the xbox one was just OC 53mhz not 400mhz.

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@pc_rocks:

https://wccftech.com/sony-ps5-vs-xbox-series-x-analysis/

Several sites reported it like that, but i think they were rounding the number.

Not that you will gain anything from 10.28 to 10.30 TF.πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ