Ryan McCaffrey admits Xbox crossgen PR was a load of crap

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#1 BenjaminBanklin
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IGN's biggest Xbox shill admits this was a big L for all the goons who backed MS on this failed PR stunt (that they walked back on). WOO boy, one look at the Halo Infinite demo killed all that noise real quick. Yes, Kool-Aid drinking is an apt metaphor as a certain head of Xbox is a Jim Jones wannabe figure in the industry.

It would have been okay for Xbox to support crossgen to an extent, but don't pretend it was some sort of altruistic act on behalf of gamers when you just didn't have next gen first-party content ready.

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#2 Ant_17
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Even lems are waking up to the lies.

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#3 R4gn4r0k
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PC gamers were right: ancient consoles do hold back high end hardware

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#4 ProtossRushX
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he drunk the Phil koolaid

We called him out and now he finally he changes his mind.

This guy bought an xb1 says he's an xbox guy but then he bought ps4 as well and probably plays that more.

I think xbox let him down this gen he seems of more ps4 guy now, just xbox in name only now.

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#5 lamprey263
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It is what people want to see, it would be MS being given green light to cut XB1 loose, and unleash the beast. At worst they can give XB1 the next gen exclusives via Game Pass Ultimate streaming support.

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#6 ProtossRushX
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He reminds me archangel dude cause he said were all PC's and can scale he was backing Phil Spencer's lies.

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#7 kingtito
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@ProtossRushX: fakeboy fakboying again?? Shhhhhhh go back to sleep

What's your gamertag fakeboy???

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@ProtossRushX said:

He reminds me archangel dude cause he said were all PC's and can scale he was backing Phil Spencer's lies.

You could fill novels with the pages of defense force that came out of this. It's all really embarrassing and archived for our amusement.

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Oh look another cow circle jerk thread! I have never seen a group of such insecure fans in my life!

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Well I thought that cross-gen support was a nice goal to strive for and I didn’t think that it would be as difficult as it apparently seems to be. No shame in being wrong. Like Ryan says it might make sense for some games but not others. If it’s too difficult for a dev to implement in their game then cut the old hardware out. Sometimes sacrifices must be made. 🤷‍♂️

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#11 Zero_epyon
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But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@ProtossRushX said:

He reminds me archangel dude cause he said were all PC's and can scale he was backing Phil Spencer's lies.

You could fill novels with the pages of defense force that came out of this. It's all really embarrassing and archived for our amusement.

Defense force? Embarrassing? Nah, not really. It’s not like I’ve ever tried to hide what I’ve said about cross-gen support. Already pointed that out a number of times and have no problems with my opinion being wrong on the matter but if this is what amuses you then knock yourselves out and archive away. 😅

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@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

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#14 BenjaminBanklin
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@Archangel3371 said:

Defense force? Embarrassing? Nah, not really. It’s not like I’ve ever tried to hide what I’ve said about cross-gen support. Already pointed that out a number of times and have no problems with my opinion being wrong on the matter but if this is what amuses you then knock yourselves out and archive away. 😅

LOL! Simmer down. It's just jokes... like this Xbox PR.

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lol, lems been drinking the kool aid this whole generation. First with the Powah of 12 xb1 by using CLOUDZ, then being able to play HALO INF on xb1x . You would think lems would get tired of being lied to by ms, but nope, they just keep defending MS and their lies.

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@ProtossRushX: fakeboy fakboying again?? Shhhhhhh go back to sleep

What's your gamertag fakeboy???

Out of curiosity, what's behind the current trend of people asking for Protoss's gamertag?

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@BenjaminBanklin: That response of yours would have made much more sense if I in any way appeared stressed by your comment. Just saying. 😅

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#18 deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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Bu...bu....but I was told that old gen tech couldn't possibly hold back new consoles?

Where are those arguments now?

(lol)

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#19 kingtito
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@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:
@kingtito said:

@ProtossRushX: fakeboy fakboying again?? Shhhhhhh go back to sleep

What's your gamertag fakeboy???

Out of curiosity, what's behind the current trend of people asking for Protoss's gamertag?

Just calling him out for lying about owning an Xbox and for being a fakeboy.

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#20 Zero_epyon
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@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

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@Zero_epyon said:
@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

Poor Mr. Pedro is caught in a corner, it seems.

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#22 Pedro
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@Zero_epyon said:

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

My bad, I didn't know you were that oblivious about game development that you think PC gamers moving sliders is equal to game development.

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@Zero_epyon said:
@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

Time is the most expensive currency in the world. Devs have to spend it wisely,

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#24 FinalFighters
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"Bu-Bu-Bu all Developers have to do is lower a few settings and games would work on XB1"

gotta love these basement dwelling arm-chair game dev's

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@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

PC minimum specs have existed forever.

This developer says it all. X-series S might hold back next gen big time.

Maybe sony exclusives will save next gen though

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#26  Edited By GoldenElementXL
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People love to bring up “PC can support older hardware, so what’s the problem?”

How many AAA PC games releasing now support a 7850 or 7770 GPU? Those are the closest equivalent we have to the 2013 consoles in the PC world. Nobody trying to play Cyberpunk on PC is using those GPUs. The min spec for CP2077 is a r9 380. That thing is damn near twice the GPU compared to the base PS4. And in the grand scheme of things, the R9 380 isn’t something I would try to PC game with...

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@goldenelementxl said:

People love to bring up “PC can support older hardware, so what’s the problem?”

How many AAA PC games releasing now support a 7850 or 7770 GPU? Those are the closest equivalent we have to the 2013 consoles in the PC world. Nobody trying to play Cyberpunk on PC is using those GPUs. The min spec for CP2077 is a r9 380. That thing is damn near twice the GPU compared to the base PS4. And in the grand scheme of things, the R9 380 isn’t something I would try to PC game with...

Yea Pedro has been backing this cross-gen ever since Phil said it. I posted a poll on who you agree cross-gen or next-games 40% of this forum agreed with Phil he had. a lot of backers on here.

Me personally I want exclusive x-series x and ps5 games I don't want a game to run series s so if it does im not buying im not being held back ive already made myself clear. If the game is built around the S im out. I hope devs are listening.

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All the biggest cows on Gamespot together I one thread!

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All the biggest cows on Gamespot together I one thread!

Oh, Ducky. You're such a victim.

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#31  Edited By my_user_name
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They're able to get the Witcher and Doom "running" on Switch, so I don't see an issue supporting the OG Xb1 for a couple more years.

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Microsoft is collapsing.

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#33 Zero_epyon
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@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

My bad, I didn't know you were that oblivious about game development that you think PC gamers moving sliders is equal to game development.

Haha went right over your head...

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#34 Zero_epyon
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@ProtossRushX said:
@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But I was told that this is not how development works and it's as easy as turning down some settings. What gives?

What gives is that some devs don't want to put the work into supporting older hardware.

PC minimum specs have existed forever.

This developer says it all. X-series S might hold back next gen big time.

Maybe sony exclusives will save next gen though

Clearly that guy has no idea what he's talking about. Everyone knows that you build a game with the highest specs in mind, then you scale down by adjusting some settings so it runs on weaker spec machines.

/Sarcasm

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Lol. The cross-gen strategy is falling apart before our eyes.

The entire argument of current gen not holding back next gen is equally falling apart.

But then, it was never really an argument. Those that tried to make the argument were simply believing PR bullsh_t.

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#36 Zero_epyon
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In all seriousness. This is a situation where just because you can, it doesn't mean you should.

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#37  Edited By Juub1990
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@my_user_name: They run like shit and needed a dedicated team for the ports. Ain’t no body wanna do that for next-gen.

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Lmao... I don't think I've ever seen cow insecurity so high. It's quite amusing.

You lot can damage control all you like, XsX will have the superior versions of games. Get over it.

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@subspecies_ii said:

Lol. The cross-gen strategy is falling apart before our eyes.

The entire argument of current gen not holding back next gen is equally falling apart.

But then, it was never really an argument. Those that tried to make the argument were simply believing PR bullsh_t.

It was mostly just damage control for the fact that the new Xbox was getting uprezzed last gen games for first party content. Well, it turns out they weren't getting much in the exclusive 1P games department either way.

The new strategy became to attack Sony for doing what video gaming has always done... make new games for new hardware. This was probably the worst goalpost move I've seen in all of gaming.

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#40  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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The biggest problems have always been about speed and level design. The biggest thing holding back this gen of consoles are the HD's. Too many sacrifices need to be made to truly showcase what the consoles are capable of with a much faster SSD. Scaling is one thing, asset loading is an entirely different beast however.

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#41  Edited By ProtossRushX
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Lmao... I don't think I've ever seen cow insecurity so high. It's quite amusing.

You lot can damage control all you like, XsX will have the superior versions of games. Get over it.

What are you talking about Ryan McCaffrey is a huge lem at IGN. He's there biggest Lem.

He always talks about the xbox and hes there "Xbox guy"

He gave i think mcc 9/10 when it was broken and had garbage online this guy is a fanboy

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#42 Pedro
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@Zero_epyon said:
@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

My bad, I didn't know you were that oblivious about game development that you think PC gamers moving sliders is equal to game development.

Haha went right over your head...

My response actually went over your head. 😎

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#43 Zero_epyon
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@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:
@Pedro said:
@Zero_epyon said:

But it should be a simple thing. PC gamers can move sliders why can't they?

My bad, I didn't know you were that oblivious about game development that you think PC gamers moving sliders is equal to game development.

Haha went right over your head...

My response actually went over your head. 😎

ok

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#44 Duckyindiana
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@BenjaminBanklin: No just not pathetic like you man! I don’t have to bash a piece of plastic everyday to make me feel better!

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@BenjaminBanklin: No just not pathetic like you man! I don’t have to bash a piece of plastic everyday to make me feel better!

No one has to defend plastic to make themselves feel better either.

Welcome to System Wars. we do hope you enjoy your stay.

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#46 clone01
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@ProtossRushX said:

he drunk the Phil koolaid

We called him out and now he finally he changes his mind.

This guy bought an xb1 says he's an xbox guy but then he bought ps4 as well and probably plays that more.

I think xbox let him down this gen he seems of more ps4 guy now, just xbox in name only now.

yes, and judging from your posts, you've drunk antifreeze.

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But but but a developer who post here told us it will not hold back newer hardware.

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#48 Pedro
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@tormentos said:

But but but a developer who post here told us it will not hold back newer hardware.

That still remains true. 😎

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@kingtito said:
@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:
@kingtito said:

@ProtossRushX: fakeboy fakboying again?? Shhhhhhh go back to sleep

What's your gamertag fakeboy???

Out of curiosity, what's behind the current trend of people asking for Protoss's gamertag?

Just calling him out for lying about owning an Xbox and for being a fakeboy.

Hmm, interesting. Curious, what is achieved by lying about having an Xbox? I'm quite lost, here.

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#50 kingtito
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@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:
@kingtito said:
@IMAHAPYHIPPO said:
@kingtito said:

@ProtossRushX: fakeboy fakboying again?? Shhhhhhh go back to sleep

What's your gamertag fakeboy???

Out of curiosity, what's behind the current trend of people asking for Protoss's gamertag?

Just calling him out for lying about owning an Xbox and for being a fakeboy.

Hmm, interesting. Curious, what is achieved by lying about having an Xbox? I'm quite lost, here.

Personally I have no idea but people do. I don't expect him to answer but going to continue to call him out regardless.