Rumor - PS5 to only have 650GB usable storage

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#1 regnaston
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https://segmentnext.com/2020/08/24/playstation-5-ssd-reserves-175gb-for-os-leaving-650gb-for-games-rumor/

Take this with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully it is not true that the system uses 175GB of the available 825GB and instead it is a 1TB drive that uses 175GB to make it the advertised "825GB"

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#2 hardwenzen
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Why would a console OS take almost 200gb?

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#3 Pedro
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Damn! PS fans are getting the raw end of the deal with almost half the space of its competition. Its like gaming on the Series S 512GB but at full price.🤣

Its rumor, chill.

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#4  Edited By deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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The amount of salt that has to be swallowed on this forum on a daily basis is quite unhealthy. Particularly with threads concerning the PS5.

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#5 lundy86_4  Online
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Not even Windows uses that much space. Might need a mountain of salt to go with that rumour.

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#6 Sagemode87  Online
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@Pedro: Damn, Xbox fans still don't have any games to play. Paid 500 dollars the One X and it's discontinued. Sad.

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#7 regnaston
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@hardwenzen said:

Why would a console OS take almost 200gb?

The PS4 uses 100GB or so .. perhaps 75GB is used for cache purposes??

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#8 PC_Rocks
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People believing that needs to see a doctor. Even Windows doesn't require that much and Whatever OS PS5 have will be based on Linux which can be easily stripped of any non essential parts and is also extremely efficient.

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#9 Pedro
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@Sagemode87 said:

@Pedro: Damn, Xbox fans still don't have any games to play. Paid 500 dollars the One X and it's discontinued. Sad.

You took that obvious bait despite having a disclaimer.

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#10 Ant_17
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Meh. I always upgrade the memory.

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#11  Edited By ProtossRushX
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Does it really matter? I mean the xb1 UI is complete shit show and was universally panned by all critics and many users and there gonna use it again for x-series. Everything is a PC now according to Phil no more generations xb1 ui = x-series x ui.

At least with Sony you get a brand new UI ever generation who cares how much space it uses its new and better xbox ui is still shitty and lags.

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#12 GoldenElementXL
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I brought up a question regarding this months ago, but folks didn’t understand what I meant, or I didn’t phrase it well. Let’s try again.

If the ssd is going to be used as a type of RAM of sorts, and used to aid the hardware in other ways, every console will need the same amount of resources in order for devs to be able to implement these features. Meaning, a chunk of the ssd will need to be reserved for system functions, correct? And this is beyond the OS footprint.

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#13 Sevenizz  Online
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More proof the ps5 will be a terrible machine. Hopefully it plays those third person movie games with ease though.

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#14 Random_Matt  Online
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More made journalism, and clowns like above go with it.

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@ProtossRushX: What's your gamertag fakeboy????

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#16  Edited By ProtossRushX
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@Sevenizz said:

More proof the ps5 will be a terrible machine. Hopefully it plays those third person movie games with ease though.

Yeah dude movie games sucks.

I can't wait to fly an airplane for 16 hours over Pacific Ocean. I've planned out my route and we plan on landing in Yokohama Japan at 3:14 pacific time we will be landing shortly folks. This is your captain speaking /refix my nerd glasses please buckle your safety belts we might have some choppy turbulence. The clouds are looking big. If you uh look out the left window you will see the Pacific Ocean yeah please don't fall asleep here's a movie you can watch on the plane yeah folks this great.

Yeah dude movie games. Yeah this guy hates em.

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#17  Edited By sheep99
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What’s the big deal you delete them or buy more storage

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#18 Juub1990
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@hardwenzen said:

Why would a console OS take almost 200gb?

Not how it works. 825GB isn't really 825GB because that's not how data is calculated. We use decimals instead of binaries to calculate storage. 825GB is really about 750GB. Add the OS and there you go.

Still doesn't explain where a couple of dozens GB went but it's nowhere near 200GB missing.

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#19  Edited By Nonstop-Madness
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175GBs for an OS is pretty enormous. Perhaps that number takes into account over-provisioning as well?

The standard is ~7% so you'd only have ~767.25GB usable without the OS.

~118GB for the OS would be a bit more realistic considering it's supposed to be able to suspend multiple games etc.

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#20 Heil68
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We know that's not enough, for SONY will bless us with an avalanche of world class games.

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#21 Zero_epyon
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That seems unlikely.

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#22 lamprey263
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I think expandable storage is going to be a must for any big gamer regardless of system. I know at least for Series X there will be external HDD support for BC games which should take care of my immediate needs for a while. I think post release, pricing of compatible storage solutions will be something to compare.

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#23  Edited By pyro1245
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@hardwenzen said:

Why would a console OS take almost 200gb?

I'm sure there will be space reserved for the suspend and resume feature. Need extra space for downloads and extracting. Also if games are taking advantage of the bleeding edge speeds the files need to be sequential. So there needs to be room to move things around as the data gets fragmented over time.

It's not crazy to think the OS could reserve at least 100GB if not more.

500GB is plenty for me, but I can see this being an issue for others. Thankfully Sony is allowing off-the-shelf PCIe 4.0, NVMe 1.4, M.2 drives, which are getting pretty cheap, less than $200 for a TB.

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#24 ProtossRushX
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@Heil68 said:

We know that's not enough, for SONY will bless us with an avalanche of world class games.

BARN BUSTING, 8th...gen...console....leader...PS4

Follow there lead.

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@pyro1245: "Thankfully Sony is allowing off-the-shelf PCIe 4.0, NVMe 1.4, M.2 drives, which are getting pretty cheap, less than $200 for a TB."

No they're not. Not one off the shelf drive so far would work on ps5, and Sony have stated they hope to have supported drives by launch.

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#26 joebones5000
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Don't care. games will be smaller anyway.

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#27  Edited By 2mrw
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Those rumors are hilarious

There is so much gossip in the gaming industry, you would expect it is being dominated by females

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#28  Edited By pyro1245
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@sealionact said:

@pyro1245: "Thankfully Sony is allowing off-the-shelf PCIe 4.0, NVMe 1.4, M.2 drives, which are getting pretty cheap, less than $200 for a TB."

No they're not. Not one off the shelf drive so far would work on ps5, and Sony have stated they hope to have supported drives by launch.

You're right. I forgot NVMe 1.4 drives haven't been commercially launched yet. Supposed to very soon I think. Partners have had demo units since last year.

Also I bet you a normal PCIe gen 3 drive would work just fine at 4+ GB/sec. Maybe I will try it out for funsies. Eh I'm sure someone will. *shrug*

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#29 Scipio8
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Cows can't catch a break, more bad news. By the way, have Sony confirmed if the ps5 can take external drive? I bet it will be proprietary expensive Sony drive.

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#30 Pedro
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@Scipio8 said:

Cows can't catch a break, more bad news. By the way, have Sony confirmed if the ps5 can take external drive? I bet it will be proprietary expensive Sony drive.

Yes! It will take external drives and they are not going to be using proprietary drives for SSD expansion. Series X is the ones with the proprietary drives.

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#31 Ant_17
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@Scipio8: no that's what xbox is doing. Ps5 is whatever you can find.

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#32  Edited By ojmstr
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@Sevenizz: PS5 will be a terrible machine? 😂 All PlayStation consoles the last 25 years exept the ps3 has sold over 100 million units

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#33  Edited By sealionact
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@pyro1245: They won't physically fit either. Sony have released specs and dimensions to 3rd party hardware devs, and have said one should be ready by launch.

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#34 hardwenzen
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So, 3tflops less powerful gpu. 400gb less memory. inferior Ear Audio compared to the XSX. Where does it stop?

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#35 mrbojangles25
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Maybe they made the drive super fast because they know you'll be installing and uninstalling games so fast due to the small storage space, they didn't want you to get upset.

"Guys we know you can only install like three games, but the drive is super fast so it's OK! Y'all have 2 GB/second internet right?"

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#36 JoshRMeyer
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@hardwenzen: You might want to take an adult math class.

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#37 I_P_Daily
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@ProtossRushX said:
@Heil68 said:

We know that's not enough, for SONY will bless us with an avalanche of world class games.

BARN BUSTING, 8th...gen...console....leader...PS4

Follow there lead.

Where to the classroom lol.

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#38 hardwenzen
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@joshrmeyer said:

@hardwenzen: You might want to take an adult math class.

I did. They kicked me in 2 days.

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#39  Edited By PAL360
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Considering the sum of both parts is 1TB, i would say/hope 825GB are usable.

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@sealionact said:

@pyro1245: They won't physically fit either. Sony have released specs and dimensions to 3rd party hardware devs, and have said one should be ready by launch.

Sony said they would support standard M.2 form factor.

They are referring to PCIe gen 4, presumably with NMVe 1.4 controllers. The NVMe 1.4 controller being the part that isn't available yet.

I have a feeling you could put any old M.2 NVMe SSD in there and it would work though. M.2 is electrically the same as PCIe x4. M.2 comes in many lengths.

We'll see how they plan validating SSDs. These are all pre-existing standards though.

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#41 JasonOfA36
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I don't believe it. 175GB for a system reserve for a console?

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#42 BlackShirt20
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PS5 turd

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#43  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator  Online
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@jasonofa36: ssd efficiency drops when full - some of the space needs to be reserved to maintain performance targets, and some is OS

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#44 JasonOfA36
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@xantufrog: Yeah, forgot about that. But still. If it's 875GB, 87GB of free space should still be fine.

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@regnaston said:

https://segmentnext.com/2020/08/24/playstation-5-ssd-reserves-175gb-for-os-leaving-650gb-for-games-rumor/

Take this with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully it is not true that the system uses 175GB of the available 825GB and instead it is a 1TB drive that uses 175GB to make it the advertised "825GB"

If it's using 175GB of 1TB it's actual usable storage would actually be 756GB, not 825GB. 1TB drives always have only 931GB usable anyway.

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Damn 3rd place again,Sony sure love them some bronze medals

HaH

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#47 Tessellation
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The PS4 took about 100 GBS , I don't think their software engineer f***ed up now and made it this big.

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@hardwenzen said:

So, 3tflops less powerful gpu. 400gb less memory. inferior Ear Audio compared to the XSX. Where does it stop?

omg you believe that xbox sound card is better than the tempest lmao. the 3d sounds going to sound just as good as dolby without your pic of your ear. now once they find your sound it will be sound even better. when using surround sound they both will sound the same until sony updates to have 3d sound coming out of the speakers.

400gb less memory now? you think this is real? if any thing if its 175 gigs then they have a 1tb ssd that 175 gigs used = 825 gigs.

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#49 Gifford38
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@Bond007uk said:
@regnaston said:

https://segmentnext.com/2020/08/24/playstation-5-ssd-reserves-175gb-for-os-leaving-650gb-for-games-rumor/

Take this with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully it is not true that the system uses 175GB of the available 825GB and instead it is a 1TB drive that uses 175GB to make it the advertised "825GB"

If it's using 175GB of 1TB it's actual usable storage would actually be 756GB, not 825GB. 1TB drives always have only 931GB usable anyway.

then series x does not have the full 1tb? what are they using for there os? makes you wonder? how can series x have 1tb if they need a os aswell? i bet series x doesn't have that much either.

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#50 Ten_Pints
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If they are using some of the drive as a cache maybe this is correct, storage is not the only use of a disk.