If they sold the xbox brand to a company that was better suited and more passionate about gaming, why is that a bad thing? Sony and Nintendo could do it too! Sony could go back to making TV's, e readers, phones and computers nobody buys and Nintendo can go back to making sex toys or whatever they made a hundred years ago and someone else can make video games. Who cares as long as someone focused and in tune with gamers is making our games.
In all fairness, there is some wisdom in doing this. Having someone who is harshly critical of how the business was ran is bound to introduce new ideas to fix it (as long as that is indeed what the new CEO has tasked him to do rather than be an axe-bearer.)
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
Dude, it is not about Xbox or PS4. Its about the Cloud, for both companies. PS4 is nothing but a gateway to Playstation Now and Xbox One is nothing but a gateway to OneCloud. The hardware is really nothing to either of them at this point. All they need is the controller, which is how Sony initially introduced the PS4. Simply, a controller.
A long with the "You sure like to make up stories" comment from microsoft, he is not the CEO, thus everything in this thread is pointless and only ground for stupid cows for bad reading skills to spam. Example one is right above me.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
From 2001 to 2013 (same time period as Xbox), Sony lost $5 billion according to your own article, $2 billion more than Microsoft. Don't blame me, I didn't add the link or write the article - you did; hence the self ownage.
And, it's ONE investor. Not a consensus amongst investors. Big difference.
"Sherlund concludes Xbox is not Microsoft’s lever to the consumer market, and that it would be a “good candidate to spin-off to shareholders”
The Xbone could be the last Xbox we see.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
From 2001 to 2013 (same time period as Xbox), Sony lost $5 billion according to your own article, $2 billion more than Microsoft. Don't blame me, I didn't add the link or write the article - you did; hence the self ownage.
And, it's ONE investor. Not a consensus amongst investors. Big difference.
Lol, I never said Sony never made any losses with the PS brand. So pls do stop with your illusionairy "ownage".
And nice try how you're downplaying one of the most important shareholders of MS. His influence is big.
It's also not only shareholders. Sherlund and other analysts recommend the same, get rid of the Xbox division.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
Dude, it is not about Xbox or PS4. Its about the Cloud, for both companies. PS4 is nothing but a gateway to Playstation Now and Xbox One is nothing but a gateway to OneCloud. The hardware is really nothing to either of them at this point. All they need is the controller, which is how Sony initially introduced the PS4. Simply, a controller.
If they sold the xbox brand to a company that was better suited and more passionate about gaming, why is that a bad thing? Sony and Nintendo could do it too! Sony could go back to making TV's, e readers, phones and computers nobody buys and Nintendo can go back to making sex toys or whatever they made a hundred years ago and someone else can make video games. Who cares as long as someone focused and in tune with gamers is making our games.
Of course, analysts and shareholders want MSFT to sell the Xbox brand, (drumroll), for short-term profits. MSFT stock price will go up at least 10% the day they announce the sale of Xbox assets. And those analysts and shareholders will sell their or their client holdings on that day.
Long term wise, it will be stupid for MS to sell the Xbox brand. The presence of MS is diminishing in the consumer market and their enterprise market is probably near saturation. Any hope for growth will come from the consumer segment where Apple and Google dominate. I see the home TV/entertainment market as largely untapped by big techs (Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc). MS is taking the first step into that territory in hope of taking a piece of the pie from the cable, telecom, and content providers. MS is a diverse company with stable income and plenty of cash reserves. The Xbox business is a big investment for them. They can afford the losses even if the Xbox business continues to be in the red for another 10 years.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
Dude, it is not about Xbox or PS4. Its about the Cloud, for both companies. PS4 is nothing but a gateway to Playstation Now and Xbox One is nothing but a gateway to OneCloud. The hardware is really nothing to either of them at this point. All they need is the controller, which is how Sony initially introduced the PS4. Simply, a controller.
Greatness Awaits.
There's more than "the cloud".
Yea, for now. You think Sony isnt going to go full on Playstation Now? You think Xbox Arcade isnt going to be a full on streaming service eventually?
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
Dude, it is not about Xbox or PS4. Its about the Cloud, for both companies. PS4 is nothing but a gateway to Playstation Now and Xbox One is nothing but a gateway to OneCloud. The hardware is really nothing to either of them at this point. All they need is the controller, which is how Sony initially introduced the PS4. Simply, a controller.
Greatness Awaits.
There's more than "the cloud".
Yea, for now. You think Sony isnt going to go full on Playstation Now? You think Xbox Arcade isnt going to be a full on streaming service eventually?
It could be evolving that way but for now, no. There are just too many problems with a game streaming service. And most people's connection just isn't good enough.
Although this gen will be the start for streaming services, but it won't become big this gen because there are too many issues to be resolved first. The biggest issue being the poor internet connections of most people.
"Sherlund concludes Xbox is not Microsoft’s lever to the consumer market, and that it would be a “good candidate to spin-off to shareholders”
The Xbone could be the last Xbox we see.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
From 2001 to 2013 (same time period as Xbox), Sony lost $5 billion according to your own article, $2 billion more than Microsoft. Don't blame me, I didn't add the link or write the article - you did; hence the self ownage.
And, it's ONE investor. Not a consensus amongst investors. Big difference.
Lol, I never said Sony never made any losses with the PS brand. So pls do stop with your illusionairy "ownage".
And nice try how you're downplaying one of the most important shareholders of MS. His influence is big.
It's also not only shareholders. Sherlund and other analysts recommend the same, get rid of the Xbox division.
So one of the most important shareholders of MS and big analysts think the same, get rid of the Xbox division.
Stop putting your head in the sand. There's a real chance MS will sell, stop the Xbox brand.
Really? Downplaying? Dude, whatever. That guy is one investor - there have been investors for companies that have made all sorts of outlandish requests - mainly do stroke their own egos when they get mentioned in the news. I mean, in the mid-90s, some Apple investors wanted to dissolve the company - look how that turned out.
The fact is, you said "The Xbone could be the last one we see", and you used an article that paints a worse image of SCE than MS. On top of that, MS is several times more profitable than Sony.
Remember MS are company that made all of it's money from selling the worlds most numerous PC operating system, with a near monopoly, and yet hates the PC platform. It's company that will cut of it's nose to spite it's face.
MS won;t sell their xbox division in the near future.Even though elop runs the division the xbox he does not make the final decision on selling off any of MS products to other companies.
"Sherlund concludes Xbox is not Microsoft’s lever to the consumer market, and that it would be a “good candidate to spin-off to shareholders”
The Xbone could be the last Xbox we see.
From your own article: "Sony's gaming division lost even more money in the same time period, with a lost of almost $5 billion."
Self ownage confirmed...
No sh*t sherlock.
The point is that the Xbox division failed to make MS a net profit in its entire existence.
Playstation 1 and 2 made a nice profit for Sony, but most of that melted away with the PS3.
And it doesn't change the fact that important shareholders,... want to get rid of the Xbox division.
From 2001 to 2013 (same time period as Xbox), Sony lost $5 billion according to your own article, $2 billion more than Microsoft. Don't blame me, I didn't add the link or write the article - you did; hence the self ownage.
And, it's ONE investor. Not a consensus amongst investors. Big difference.
Lol, I never said Sony never made any losses with the PS brand. So pls do stop with your illusionairy "ownage".
And nice try how you're downplaying one of the most important shareholders of MS. His influence is big.
It's also not only shareholders. Sherlund and other analysts recommend the same, get rid of the Xbox division.
So one of the most important shareholders of MS and big analysts think the same, get rid of the Xbox division.
Stop putting your head in the sand. There's a real chance MS will sell, stop the Xbox brand.
Really? Downplaying? Dude, whatever. That guy is one investor - there have been investors for companies that have made all sorts of outlandish requests - mainly do stroke their own egos when they get mentioned in the news. I mean, in the mid-90s, some Apple investors wanted to dissolve the company - look how that turned out.
The fact is, you said "The Xbone could be the last one we see", and you used an article that paints a worse image of SCE than MS. On top of that, MS is several times more profitable than Sony.
- Important shareholder(s) want to get rid of Xbox
- Analysts saying to get rid of Xbox
- Xbox failing to make a net profit for MS in its entire existence
- Xbox failing to sell in Japan and doing bad/ mediocre in Europe
- Constant bad press after Xbone reveal
- A past CEO candidate of MS wanting to get rid of Xbox
-...
Yes there is a very existing chance that it could be MS's last Xbox. And it looks even more grim knowing PS4 is dominating in sales.
@Suppaman100: And a shareholder did the same with Sony even more recently pushing for the company to dump the whole entertainment division. The reason they want to do that is that makes them a whole heap of cash. It happens constantly in business where one or 2 individuals try to push companies to do this.
if you want change in a certain division in your multi-billion $ company you put its biggest critic in charge ,they will shake it to its very foundation until it performs to a higher standard. if anything the xbox brand may become stronger.
If they sold the xbox brand to a company that was better suited and more passionate about gaming, why is that a bad thing? Sony and Nintendo could do it too! Sony could go back to making TV's, e readers, phones and computers nobody buys and Nintendo can go back to making sex toys or whatever they made a hundred years ago and someone else can make video games. Who cares as long as someone focused and in tune with gamers is making our games.
So, you just believe what the fanboys are saying, huh? Can't see the forest for the trees?
The Xbox One's launch exceeded Microsoft's expectations (see 10-k). And, at a bare minimum, it sold 3 million in 5 weeks to consumers (probably closer to the 3.9 million shipped). Is that launch as good as the PS4? No... but it is still a successful launch. Analysts have been saying Microsoft should sell off it's divisions for 20 years now - and yet they are still an incredibly profitable company... unlike Sony.
If you are looking for a video game console manufacturer to start cannibalizing itself, look to the one that is in the red (*cough* Sony *cough*).
If they sold the xbox brand to a company that was better suited and more passionate about gaming, why is that a bad thing? Sony and Nintendo could do it too! Sony could go back to making TV's, e readers, phones and computers nobody buys and Nintendo can go back to making sex toys or whatever they made a hundred years ago and someone else can make video games. Who cares as long as someone focused and in tune with gamers is making our games.
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