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#1 Xplode_games
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Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



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#2 Chutebox
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Got two things from that.

The guy contradicted himself in the first three sentences.  Sony Devs are better programmers.

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#3 Obviously_Right
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 And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us.


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#4 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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Already brought up in the massive thread in which he talked about the PS4 being 50% faster than X1

http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29445795/former-people-can-fly-dev-quotps4-is-50-fasterother-aaa-devs-agreequot

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#5 Krelian-co
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man this fanboys

xbox 360 and ps3 are pretty even, ps3 has better cpu while xbox has better gpu, plus the fact that ps3 is harder to program. The difference if at all is minimal, very different from this gen, where their architechture is almost identical and the difference in graphics will be basically their raw power, where yes, ps4 is far stronger than xbone.

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#6 Jonwh18
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lul nope. 

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#7 Riverwolf007
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"user in neogaf"

:roll:

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#8 Badosh
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nope
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#9 Xplode_games
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[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

 And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us.


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And it would look even better if it was on the more powerful Xbox 360. 

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#10 ChaltierX
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Post from a random user? Haha. 

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#11 Xplode_games
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Already brought up in the massive thread in which he talked about the PS4 being 50% faster than X1

http://uk.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29445795/former-people-can-fly-dev-quotps4-is-50-fasterother-aaa-devs-agreequot

seanmcloughlin

The massive thread is to discuss the X1 vs PS4, this one is 360 vs PS3. 

Unfortunately this will come as a big revelation to a lot of fanboys on this board. I don't think it should be buried in a massive thread that is about something else anyway. 

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#12 Jonwh18
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Post from a random user? Haha. 

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#13 Xplode_games
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Post from a random user? Haha. 

ChaltierX

No, Adrian Chmielarz actually quoted that post and said it worded better than he can do it himself. See his tweet below. 

https://twitter.com/adrianchm

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Post from a random user? Haha. 

ChaltierX

It's not a random user, it's a dev who used to work for "People can fly". He tweeted something controversial about the PS4 being 50% faster than X1 and NeoGAF went to town on it. So he made an account there to clarify the situation. This is his full post

I think Adrian should jump into the conversation. He does it all the time in his blogs. 

Here I am. So...

1. I am not doing a damage control, but I do want to clarify one thing. But first, yes, devs I know -- and as someone has shown it before in this thread, some other devs already talked about it too -- claim that there's 50% speed difference WHEN DEVELOPING in cross-gen/next-gen PS4/XO games. So there we are, I said it and I stand by it. Notice: WHEN DEVELOPING. It'll become clear in a second.

2. Will this change in the future? WIll devs discover some tricks to narrow the gap? Will stuff like XO cloud computing help? Hell if I know. Uhm, maybe? I know that devs -- well, most of them -- will do whatever they can do get you the best games possible. You're going to see a lot of multiplatform games this next gen, just as you've seen them in this gen, so it's in studios' best interest that there's no clear advantage in one version over the other.

3. Does it mean studios will cripple PS4 versions to match XO ones? Not really, do not underestimate the devs. Even if this happens, you will not know that and that's okay. You've never seen most games in their most powerful form anyway (when we work on them on our ninja dev PCs in 1080p 120fps with all the antialiasings and stuff turned on for shits and giggles). But most of the time devs have a target and they meet this target. If it's a multiplatform game, it's designed with this in mind from the start. So maybe it's not maxing out one console while going 100% on the other. Maybe it's 100% on both, but they take extra time for super-extra optimizations on the weaker hardware to make sure things look the same as on the more powerful platform. Etc. etc.

4. So what is that "one thing" I want to clarify, that some people may consider "damage control", but really is just an explanation. Someone mentioned Titanfall, which looks money and enjoys a great hype. Exactly. A great dev will make a great game no matter what's the hardware. Current gen CoDs looks great and it's 60 fps, on both platforms (well, and PC :). To most devs that is just impossible to achieve. And yet...

Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen.

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#15 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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"user in neogaf"

:roll:

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#16 GravityX
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Got two things from that.

The guy contradicted himself in the first three sentences.  Sony Devs are better programmers.

Chutebox

Some devs are better than others. Some use an art direction that is more appealing. I feel if ND or GG made an Xbox 360 game it would look better than it's PS3 counterpart.

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#17 Xplode_games
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man this fanboys

xbox 360 and ps3 are pretty even, ps3 has better cpu while xbox has better gpu, plus the fact that ps3 is harder to program. The difference if at all is minimal, very different from this gen, where their architechture is almost identical and the difference in graphics will be basically their raw power, where yes, ps4 is far stronger than xbone.

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Actually, you're just flat wrong. As clearly stated in the post I linked, the 360 is not just easier to program on, it's also more powerful. The difference is not small and insignificant as you say. It's similar to the difference between the PS4 and X1 and that is why the programmer brought it up to illustrate that the power difference will amount to nothing. 

The PS4 is stronger than the X1 that is a fact. Just like the 360 being stronger than the PS3 is also a fact. However, we will still get tons of fanboy wars claiming exclusives on the X1 are the graphics king. Even if 90% of multiplats look better on the PS4. Remind you of anything?

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#18 Obviously_Right
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[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

 And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us.


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And it would look even better if it was on the more powerful Xbox 360. 

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#19 ManatuBeard
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"A user from neogaf" is hardly the best source for anything... Since it is just another forum.

Discussions about current gen are a bit worthless now... in 2 months nobody will care about them.

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#20 muffin200
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Is this the gamespot forums playing up again?

You seemed to have made a post in 2006 and it's taken 7 years before it's gone active.

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#21 foxhound_fox
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Oh technical graphics wars.
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#22 BigBoss255
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Sony's first party are so amazing that they produced the better looking games of the generation on a weaker console. Imagine what they can do now they have the stronger hardware.

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#23 wiiutroll
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"A user from neogaf" is hardly the best source for anything... Since it is just another forum.

Discussions about current gen are a bit worthless now... in 2 months nobody will care about them.

ManatuBeard

it's from the  same guy

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#24 Krelian-co
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[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

man this fanboys

xbox 360 and ps3 are pretty even, ps3 has better cpu while xbox has better gpu, plus the fact that ps3 is harder to program. The difference if at all is minimal, very different from this gen, where their architechture is almost identical and the difference in graphics will be basically their raw power, where yes, ps4 is far stronger than xbone.

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Actually, you're just flat wrong. As clearly stated in the post I linked, the 360 is not just easier to program on, it's also more powerful. The difference is not small and insignificant as you say. It's similar to the difference between the PS4 and X1and that is why the programmer brought it up to illustrate that the power difference will amount to nothing. 

The PS4 is stronger than the X1 that is a fact. Just like the 360 being stronger than the PS3 is also a fact. However, we will still get tons of fanboy wars claiming exclusives on the X1 are the graphics king. Even if 90% of multiplats look better on the PS4. Remind you of anything?

go home you are drunk. ps3 and x360 are very close in power, so dream on.

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#25 AM-Gamer
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Most devs have said the PS3 is more powerful it was just far harder to program for.

All devs have said the PS4 is more powerful and that it is also easy to program for. MS has no advantage this time.

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#26 rjdofu
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"full quote from a user in neogaf"
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#27 stayhigh1
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PS3 first party games shows otherwise..We cant find games on the 360 that looks like Heavy Rain, Infamous, Ratchet and Clank, God of War, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Beyond 2 Souls, Gran Turismo , Folk Lore , LittlebigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone, Infamous, and etc...360 was so easy to program yet no third party developers take advantage of it.. 360 version will only score 1 or 2 points higher but that dont make a difference at all..
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#28 Sagemode87
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Cell was massively more powerful than Xenon. That difference is what offset the GPU difference and was Ps3's secret sauce. Funny thing is the GPUs was close to each other. What secret sauce does X1 have?  PS4 has a far better GPU, better and easier to use ram, easier architecture, etc. Why can't you guys just accept PS4 is a more capable machine? So much denial it's ridiculous. 

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#29 Gargus
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Outright speed means very little.

You could face a pentium 4 3.8ghz against a intel 2.3ghz sandy bridge chip and that sandy bridge will tear that p4 to pieces in every single category.

Architecture when it comes to electronics will always trounce overall speed.

Yes clock speed is important but if the tech behind that clock speed is older and a lot less efficient it will lose everytime to something slower yet more efficent. But if you couple like newer tech with higher clock speeds such as with the ps4 and xbox one then you have an even bigger edge.

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#30 PAL360
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Now, close to this gen's end, it's clear that 360 had the best hardware in most situations. PS3 did have some impressive looking exclusives, mostly due to dev talent, but next gen those same devs will have access to the best hardware.

It will be an interesting gen!

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Different architecture unlike now where they are almost the same....
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#32 Eddie-Vedder
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So Sony makes better looking games then M$ with weaker hardware, that means Sony will make M$ look like gameboy advance this gen cause it has stronger hardware.

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#33 Senor_Kami
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Neogaf is just a forum. Just like this one. Random s**t they say there holds no more weight than random s**t said here. Plus, who cares. The gen is over. Both consoles are in the old folks home. Too late to be arguing specs.
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#34 KillzoneSnake
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Hell no, PS3 was stronger than 360 but harder to program for.

Now looking at the future how the hell is X1 gonna compete against the 50% stronger PS4 (no longer difficult to develop) and the gods at Naughty Dog, Santa Monica and Guerrilla. lol good luck

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is this 2013 still ? 

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So Sony makes better looking games then M$ with weaker hardware, that means Sony will make M$ look like gameboy advance this gen cause it has stronger hardware.

Eddie-Vedder

Just because Sony makes a great looking game on PS4 doesn't mean the XB1 games will suddenly revert to GBA graphics. There will be no discernible differences that you would actually notice if DigitalFoundry didn't tell you about it.

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Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



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360 never had more powerful hardware; just easier to program for; sorry Lems! This has already been proven multiple times. PS3 exclusives have already shown to be superior to any and every multiplat and exclusives 360 could dish out... Better luck next gen, though, not likely!!!
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#38 GravityX
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[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



MoneySha

360 never had more powerful hardware; just easier to program for; sorry Lems! This has already been proven multiple times. PS3 exclusives have already shown to be superior to any and every multiplat and exclusives 360 could dish out... Better luck next gen, though, not likely!!!

No.

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Last of us looks like puke, but Xbox 360 was the stronger console.  

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#40 Supabul
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Plus PS3 had only 256MB of RAM

GTA V is going to look worst than Saints Row 4 on PS3

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#41 psymon100
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In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars

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I need the gif. The gif of the Dawson's creek guy crying. 

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#42 kinectthedots
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Plus PS3 had only 256MB of RAM

GTA V is going to look worst than Saints Row 4 on PS3

Supabul

lol yet all videos of GTA V have been shown from PS3 version...go to sleep

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#43 clone01
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Okay.

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#44 ReadingRainbow4
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Got two things from that.

The guy contradicted himself in the first three sentences.  Sony Devs are better programmers.

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[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



MoneySha
360 never had more powerful hardware; just easier to program for; sorry Lems! This has already been proven multiple times. PS3 exclusives have already shown to be superior to any and every multiplat and exclusives 360 could dish out... Better luck next gen, though, not likely!!!

360 has a better gpu and ram
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#46 Shewgenja
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Most devs have said the PS3 is more powerful it was just far harder to program for.

All devs have said the PS4 is more powerful and that it is also easy to program for. MS has no advantage this time.

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#47 freedomfreak
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This shit is still being discussed? They were both pretty much the same.
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#48 tormentos
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Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



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The PS3 had a stronger GPU the PS3 a stronger CPU who doesn't know this already.

 

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#49 Rattlesnake_8
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Got two things from that.

The guy contradicted himself in the first three sentences.  Sony Devs are better programmers.

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#50 kinectthedots
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[QUOTE="Xplode_games"]

Here is the full quote from a user in neogaf. - "Think about it this way. X360 is faster than PS3. Not just easier to program on, it's faster overall (although PS is faster/better in SOME areas). And yet no exclusive on X360 looks like The Last of Us. Halo 4 looks great. Gears blew my mind in 2006. And still, the best looking AAA game of this generation belongs to the supposedly weaker platform.

So if you think that the war is over because PS4 is 50% faster TODAY, then you're delusional. This is far from over, and will probably never be over, at least not this upcoming gen."

 

What this means is that all the fanboy arguments this gen were really dumb. 90% of multiplats looked better on 360 because it has always been the more powerful hardware. 

The PS4 is more powerful than the X1 but in the end it will not matter because when you see a game's graphics you don't see the technical back end. You only see the pretty colors and such and all of that is subjective. 

In conclusion, expect another 10 years of fanboy wars even though it's clear as day that PS4 is more powerful than X1 just as the 360 has always been significantly more powerful than the PS3. 

Link - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=80542977&postcount=399



tormentos

 

The xbox360 had a stronger GPU the PS3 a stronger CPU who doesn't know this already.

 

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