PS5 to officially do away with loading screens

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#151 Posted by Steppy_76 (2690 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@tdkmillsy said:

You really expected the next gen consoles to not have SSD.

The marketing team had a field day stating the obvious.

Yes please try to pretend now that SSD was a given for next gen,you a lemming who can't even admit that blu-ray was need it in 2006 when games on xbox 360- were already spamming across multiple disc and now want to act like SSD was a give was the xbox next even confirmed to have an SSD yet?

Still trying to show how a blu ray drive was needed back then? If sony had been able to put in a 4x BR drive it would have been fine, but they went with a 2x drive that was slower than readily available DVD drives. The bluray drive made the PS3 more expensive and caused mandatory installs, worse load times, on FAR more games than needed multiple discs on the 360(which generally(ie typically, so don't list one or two games and pretend that was the rule rather than the exception) were fairly linear RPG's that you worked your way through the discs versus having to swap back and forth). Either way, you do realize that you are literally advocating for the exact same thing in regards to the PS5 that you were so against for the 360(substituting a faster alternative with lower capacity over a slower higher capacity one).

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#152 Posted by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -
@tormentos said:
@ronvalencia said:

Unlike PS4 Pro's low ball 5400 rpm HDD, X1X has 7200 rpm HDD upgrade. Microsoft is factoring non-volatile data storage according to machine's compute power and RAM storage. For CE markets, SSD is the next evolution after 7200 rpm HDD.

SSD has been the evolution since before this gen started doesn't mean anything.

Your

You lemming still to this day downplay the importance of blu-ray on 2006 just to not admit that SONY saw a problem with space and acted by introducing something better,while MS refuse to see it,and now you want to act like SSD is a damn given and that the xbox next will have it some how as well as the PS5?

assertion is BS when Sony low balled their PS4 Pro's storage solution with 5400 rpm HDD while MS upgraded to 7200 rpm HDD for X1X.

Try again.

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#153 Posted by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@rrjim1 said:

@ronvalencia: You try again, not any where close to the same thing! LOL

Read https://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review/6 on Partially Resident Textures (aka Tiled Resource in DX12)

Try again.

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#154 Posted by rzxv04 (573 posts) -

@Gatygun said:
@tormentos said:
@rzxv04 said:

Check this old thread:

Do you think we can have free supplemental SSDs inside next gen consoles mostly to improve load times?

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/poll-do-you-think-we-can-have-free-supplemental-ss-33436296/

Most didn't think so.

Hahahaha thanks.

@ronvalencia said:

Unlike PS4 Pro's low ball 5400 rpm HDD, X1X has 7200 rpm HDD upgrade. Microsoft is factoring non-volatile data storage according to machine's compute power and RAM storage. For CE markets, SSD is the next evolution after 7200 rpm HDD.

SSD has been the evolution since before this gen started doesn't mean anything.

@i_p_daily said:

@tormentos: I made 2 comments in this thread and you responded to both of them with tears.

My comments weren't directed at you and yet you cried over them.

And here we are again replying to another one of my posts, seriously tormy you need to stop with all these tears.

Again the only one running around thread not making a point and just attacking sony gameplay or other stupidity it is you, i get it you are a little hurt my friend.

Hahahhaahaa

@tdkmillsy said:

s

The xbox one X now is $400+ and the Pro $400 as well and they don't have SSD of 10+TF GPU and stronger CPU.

The X and Pro where released 18 months previous when SSD was expensive not in 18 months time when they will be not expensive.

What act do you think I'm playing. Apply logic and those with half a brain would probably had a bet on it being SSD. The evidence is there in front of you.

Its not big news by any means.

What?

SSD still is expensive what the fu** man SSD is more than $200 for a 2TB disc.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100011693%20600038497

You can stop playing stupid now.

SSD has not come down in price even remotely close to how normal HDD have not even CLOSE.

Yes the evidence is there look it up most people did not think SSD was a given in fact a link was posted in this very same thread and i just quoted it lemming.

So yeah keep the damage control up.

Bom for PS4 hdd = 28 bucks.

You can get SSD's today already with 240gb capacity for 24 bucks something they probably aim for or maybe 512gb. With not having resellers and other stuff in between + probably more then a year left to get that thing launched, the prices are going to be absolutely acceptable in that time period.

SSD however 18 months ago where in a bad spot same for memory modules. The reason for this was mining. With the mining craze going down and market getting overrunned by the chips, the prices are tanking hard.

Hell i could even see them go in 12 months from now for a close to 1tb ssd solution if prices keep dropping. It's whatever they can get for ~30 bucks.

Some also mentioned supposed memory price fixing by manufacturers as a factor where CLA in California and China threatened to investigate and sue. Not long after, memory started to steadily drop in price since.

https://www.pcgamer.com/lawsuit-alleges-samsung-micron-and-hynix-colluded-to-drive-up-dram-prices/

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+ram+investigation&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS804US804&oq=china+ram+investigation&aqs=chrome..69i57.5719j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Intel was also recently mentioned as a factor where they're running out of CPUs and directly affecting RAM overstock.

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#155 Posted by JoshRMeyer (10344 posts) -

@ronvalencia: Xbox One X has a 5400rpm hdd not 7200... It's a Seagate model ST1000LM035. Easy to find on any Google search.

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#156 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (25196 posts) -
@BassMan said:

Even playing games with an NVMe SSD and a powerful CPU on PC does not get rid of load times. So, he is full of shit. Assets and data need to be loaded and processed. That shit takes time and will not be eliminated completely.

Yep, that and space is a huge issue. You won't even see the positive effects unless you have the game installed on the SSD portion, which may be small and unlikely to fit all of your games on the PS5.

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#158 Posted by I_P_Daily (11421 posts) -

@tormentos: You make no sense, as why would I be butthurt over someone who's trying to eliminate loading screens lol, even your overlord is not happy with you :(

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#159 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@Steppy_76 said:

Still trying to show how a blu ray drive was needed back then? If sony had been able to put in a 4x BR drive it would have been fine, but they went with a 2x drive that was slower than readily available DVD drives.

The bluray drive made the PS3 more expensive and caused mandatory installs, worse load times, on FAR more games than needed multiple discs on the 360(which generally(ie typically, so don't list one or two games and pretend that was the rule rather than the exception) were fairly linear RPG's that you worked your way through the discs versus having to swap back and forth). Either way, you do realize that you are literally advocating for the exact same thing in regards to the PS5 that you were so against for the 360(substituting a faster alternative with lower capacity over a slower higher capacity one).

1-Your argument is totally MORONIC.

For starters Blu-ray wasn't about speed it was a bout SIZE fitting more data under 1 disc.

All PS3 had HDD which mean unlike on 360 were the market was fracture between core and premium,you could install and use the drive to help,but again while blu-ray was slower in the PS3 it wasn't slower on all stages of game loading,because DVD has speeds are not constant are variable and some parts of the disc are slower than other parts,while Blu-ray has constant speed across all the disc and considering most games didn't even install it wasn't a problem.

No i am not advocating anything dude and the post you quoted is very clear,i just was shutting down the notion that some how this is not news.

@ronvalencia said:

Your

You lemming still to this day downplay the importance of blu-ray on 2006 just to not admit that SONY saw a problem with space and acted by introducing something better,while MS refuse to see it,and now you want to act like SSD is a damn given and that the xbox next will have it some how as well as the PS5?

assertion is BS when Sony low balled their PS4 Pro's storage solution with 5400 rpm HDD while MS upgraded to 7200 rpm HDD for X1X.

Try again.

WTF?

The PS3 had blu-ray the xbox 360 didn't the PS4 and xbox one X are irrelevant to this argument you simply can't break from your stupid hate for sony.

My assertion isn't bullshit the xbox 360 didn't have blu-ray buffoon.

@joshrmeyer said:

@ronvalencia: Xbox One X has a 5400rpm hdd not 7200... It's a Seagate model ST1000LM035. Easy to find on any Google search.

Hahahahaa really? So he was again arguing with incorrect facts? Hahahahaa

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#160 Edited by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@joshrmeyer said:

@ronvalencia: Xbox One X has a 5400rpm hdd not 7200... It's a Seagate model ST1000LM035. Easy to find on any Google search.

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16822178875

ST1000LM035 has 128 MB cache with SATA 6.0Gb/s

7200 rpm was reported on-line

VS

https://www.ps4storage.com/ps4-pro-hard-drive-specs/

PS4 PRO Stock HDD Specs

If you pull out the internal hard drive of PS4 PRO, you’re supposed to find an identical hard drive to that in the image on the right side. (click the image to enlarge)

The basic specifications can be easily observed on the front label of the drive, that are:

  • Brand: HGST.
  • Model Name: Travelstar® 5K1000
  • Model #: HTS541010A9E680
  • Storage Capacity (size): 1 TB
  • Interface: SATA 3.0 GB/s
  • Spindle Speed: 5400 RPM
  • Form Factor: 2.5-inch
  • Buffer/Cache Memory: 8 MB
  • Z-Height (mm): 9.5

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#161 Edited by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@Gatygun said:

Bom for PS4 hdd = 28 bucks.

You can get SSD's today already with 240gb capacity for 24 bucks something they probably aim for or maybe 512gb. With not having resellers and other stuff in between + probably more then a year left to get that thing launched, the prices are going to be absolutely acceptable in that time period.

SSD however 18 months ago where in a bad spot same for memory modules. The reason for this was mining. With the mining craze going down and market getting overrunned by the chips, the prices are tanking hard.

Hell i could even see them go in 12 months from now for a close to 1tb ssd solution if prices keep dropping. It's whatever they can get for ~30 bucks.

Yes and 500GB HDD are totally cheap now.

In fact on 2013 the cost of the HDD of the PS4 was $37 dollars not $28.

More bang for the buck

The hard disk drive in the PlayStation 4 is $1 cheaper than the one in the CECH-2001A PlayStation 3, despite a major jump in capacity to 500 gigabytes (GB), up from 120 GB. This cost reduction reflected the major decline in HDD costs during the past four years.

https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/

Hard Drive - SATA - 120GB

  • The hard drives used in both the last version of the PS3 and the new Gen 2 version both seem to feature trailing edge drives, possibly in order to cut better deals with vendors.
  • This new 120GB drive is estimated at $38, which is within $1 ($39) of last years 80GB drive
  • Of course, hard drives can easily be multi-sourced

https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/2223/sony-ps3-cech-2001a-game-console-teardown

But what on gods green earth make you think the PS5 will come with a 500GB HDD?

Dude SSD even in 1TB still considerable more expensive than regular HDD.

You can get a 1TB HDD for $35 dollars in fact a 7200rpm one.

While a

1TB SSD is basically $95 and up.

I don't see 1TB SSD dropping to $30,not even the 500HDD cost sony so little.

@tdkmillsy said:

He wont listen

1tb SSD halved in price in less than a year, Companies opening new factories (Toshiba) for SSD production, others moving to mass production of GLC SSD. Everyone saying 2019 is the year for mass reductions to SSD. Market settling down after the mining crap. PS5 probably not coming for 18 months+.

Odds on it being SSD where low on a next gen console (even if it was the pro/X version only).

But to some it was a big surprise.

1TB SSD are at about $100 now they will not be halved by next year.

And 2TB one are over $200.

The PS5 will not come for another 18 months,but consoles are not manufacture in 1 damn day lemming,by the end of this year probably start of next year the PS5 will be in full productions,is not like sony will buy the damn HDD 2 days before launching, in fact knowing that they are working now on ssd, those prices are probably secured by NOW at right now prices not next year ones.

Just like AMD is making the PS5 chip as well those things to get manufacture in days it take time,specially to avoid shortages.

This contract are made with time not freaking 3 months from launch,sony probably already has the company who will make those drive secure already or close,you can't just blindly make a product and hope some company will appear 3 month before launch with what you want.

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#162 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@joshrmeyer said:

@ronvalencia: Xbox One X has a 5400rpm hdd not 7200... It's a Seagate model ST1000LM035. Easy to find on any Google search.

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16822178875

ST1000LM035 has 128 MB cache with SATA 6.0Gb/s

7200 rpm was reported on-line

VS

https://www.ps4storage.com/ps4-pro-hard-drive-specs/

PS4 PRO Stock HDD Specs

If you pull out the internal hard drive of PS4 PRO, you’re supposed to find an identical hard drive to that in the image on the right side. (click the image to enlarge)

The basic specifications can be easily observed on the front label of the drive, that are:

  • Brand: HGST.
  • Model Name: Travelstar® 5K1000
  • Model #: HTS541010A9E680
  • Storage Capacity (size): 1 TB
  • Interface: SATA 3.0 GB/s
  • Spindle Speed: 5400 RPM
  • Form Factor: 2.5-inch
  • Buffer/Cache Memory: 8 MB
  • Z-Height (mm): 9.5

Where does it say 7200?

Also comparing 5200 vs 7200 as if it was even CLOSE to be the same as DVD vs Blu-ray is a total JOKE.

7200RPM and 5200RPM HDD are still both the same tech they are mechanical drives with just a speed bump one over the other.

Blu-ray was a totally different format from DVD, and it size was several times bigger than DVD and also faster X by X. Example 8X Blu-ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. 8X DVD in size and speed.

In fact a 4XBlu-ray was faster than the xbox 360 12X DVD.

So again much like your shitty argument about the xbox one counting as another xbox 360 sold,this pathetic argument of yours have no point.

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#163 Posted by dantesergei (2197 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:
@BassMan said:

Even playing games with an NVMe SSD and a powerful CPU on PC does not get rid of load times. So, he is full of shit. Assets and data need to be loaded and processed. That shit takes time and will not be eliminated completely.

A lot of casual gamers don't really see the reality, and people can't always be that informed. Think back to when you were a more casual gamer. With less knowledge about these technical details.

So if sony keeps throwing around buzz words like:

- 8K

- 120fps

- SSD

- no load times

Those things just get stuck in people's head and they create hype, eventhough they will all turn out to be lies (and have turned out to be lies so many times in the past) Sony sells consoles this way.

That is how business is done.

Well said.

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#164 Edited by joebones5000 (2109 posts) -

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

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#165 Edited by BassMan (10035 posts) -
@joebones5000 said:

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

Loading Video...

Nope.

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#166 Posted by lundy86_4 (52692 posts) -

@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

Nope.

Fucking deadly lol.

Games have hidden loading screens, but loading exists. At this point, we don't have the ability to eliminate loading.

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#167 Posted by dxmcat (2567 posts) -
@BassMan said:

Even playing games with an NVMe SSD and a powerful CPU on PC does not get rid of load times. So, he is full of shit. Assets and data need to be loaded and processed. That shit takes time and will not be eliminated completely.

not to mention still archaic internet speeds

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#168 Posted by joebones5000 (2109 posts) -

@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

Loading Video...

Nope.

Wait, one at the beginning when you start??? Ahuh.

Yeah, no loading screens when you play. 20 year old game.

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#169 Edited by BassMan (10035 posts) -

@joebones5000 said:
@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

Loading Video...

Nope.

Wait, one at the beginning when you start??? Ahuh.

Yeah, no loading screens when you play. 20 year old game.

You will see a loading screen every time you pop in the game to play. The game doesn't magically load. Devs can try to hide the streaming part in cut-scenes, tunnels, elevators, etc., but the game still has to load on initial startup or when loading a completely different area on demand. That is just the way it works. You can speed it up, but you can not eliminate loading without some fancy alien technology.

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#170 Posted by joebones5000 (2109 posts) -

@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:
@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:

It's 100% possible to do away with loading screens. Plenty of games have done it in the past. I remember playing Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver on the ps1 without loading screens.

Plenty of threads available in new hardware to be loading anything needed in the background.

Loading Video...

Nope.

Wait, one at the beginning when you start??? Ahuh.

Yeah, no loading screens when you play. 20 year old game.

You will see a loading screen every time you pop in the game to play. The game doesn't magically load. Devs can try to hide the streaming part in cut-scenes, tunnels, elevators, etc., but the game still has to load on initial startup or when loading a completely different area. That is just the way it works. You can speed it up, but you can not eliminate loading without some fancy alien technology.

Well, that's obvious. You're always going to have an initial load. Please don't tell me that you think that Sony meant it was going to get rid of initial game loads, which is impossible.

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#171 Edited by BassMan (10035 posts) -

@joebones5000 said:
@BassMan said:
@joebones5000 said:
@BassMan said:
Loading Video...

Nope.

Wait, one at the beginning when you start??? Ahuh.

Yeah, no loading screens when you play. 20 year old game.

You will see a loading screen every time you pop in the game to play. The game doesn't magically load. Devs can try to hide the streaming part in cut-scenes, tunnels, elevators, etc., but the game still has to load on initial startup or when loading a completely different area. That is just the way it works. You can speed it up, but you can not eliminate loading without some fancy alien technology.

Well, that's obvious. You're always going to have an initial load. Please don't tell me that you think that Sony meant it was going to get rid of initial game loads, which is impossible.

It is a bullshit claim from Sony. Any time you have to access data on demand, it will take time to load. So, whether you are loading up the game for the first time, loading up a save, fast travelling to a new area, loading up a new race track, a new fighting arena, etc... That shit has to be loaded at some point.

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#172 Edited by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@ronvalencia said:
@joshrmeyer said:

@ronvalencia: Xbox One X has a 5400rpm hdd not 7200... It's a Seagate model ST1000LM035. Easy to find on any Google search.

https://m.newegg.com/product/N82E16822178875

ST1000LM035 has 128 MB cache with SATA 6.0Gb/s

7200 rpm was reported on-line

VS

https://www.ps4storage.com/ps4-pro-hard-drive-specs/

PS4 PRO Stock HDD Specs

If you pull out the internal hard drive of PS4 PRO, you’re supposed to find an identical hard drive to that in the image on the right side. (click the image to enlarge)

The basic specifications can be easily observed on the front label of the drive, that are:

  • Brand: HGST.
  • Model Name: Travelstar® 5K1000
  • Model #: HTS541010A9E680
  • Storage Capacity (size): 1 TB
  • Interface: SATA 3.0 GB/s
  • Spindle Speed: 5400 RPM
  • Form Factor: 2.5-inch
  • Buffer/Cache Memory: 8 MB
  • Z-Height (mm): 9.5

Where does it say 7200?

Where does it say 5200? It's 5400 rpm.

Also comparing 5200 vs 7200 as if it was even CLOSE to be the same as DVD vs Blu-ray is a total JOKE.

7200RPM and 5200RPM HDD are still both the same tech they are mechanical drives with just a speed bump one over the other.

Blu-ray was a totally different format from DVD, and it size was several times bigger than DVD and also faster X by X. Example 8X Blu-ray >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. 8X DVD in size and speed.

In fact a 4XBlu-ray was faster than the xbox 360 12X DVD.

On the field comparison is between X1X's 5400 RPM with 128 MB cache SATA III 6Gbps vs PS4 Pro's 5400 RPM with 8 MB cache SATA II 3Gbps.

This topic's move towards SSD is purely about performance with less empathise on storage capacity.

The comparison between X1X's 5400 RPM with 128 MB cache SATA III 6Gbps vs PS4 Pro's low ball 5400 RPM with 8 MB cache SATA II 3Gbps is about performance. X1X's 128 MB cache to boost HDD's performance is poor man's Intel Optane.

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8119/intel-optane-memory-matters/index.html

@tormentos said:

So again much like your shitty argument about the xbox one counting as another xbox 360 sold, this pathetic argument of yours have no point.

Xbox One's ability to run major 560 Xbox 360titles still makes Xbox One as another xbox 360 sold.

Without using cracks, Windows X64 killed all Windows games that used 32bit DRM drivers and 16bit DOS/Windows games.

The PC user can workaround BC killing issues by the following

  • Buying upgraded games from sites like GoG
  • Run DosBox-X for 16bit DOS/32bit DOS extenders and Windows 95 games with up to Voodoo 2 3D acceleration.
  • Run VMWare Workstation with DirectX 9/10/11 pass-through 3D acceleration. 32bit DRM drivers should be able to load under 32bit Windows.

This is being consistent from PC argument.

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#173 Edited by Gatygun (1429 posts) -
@tormentos said:
@Gatygun said:

Bom for PS4 hdd = 28 bucks.

You can get SSD's today already with 240gb capacity for 24 bucks something they probably aim for or maybe 512gb. With not having resellers and other stuff in between + probably more then a year left to get that thing launched, the prices are going to be absolutely acceptable in that time period.

SSD however 18 months ago where in a bad spot same for memory modules. The reason for this was mining. With the mining craze going down and market getting overrunned by the chips, the prices are tanking hard.

Hell i could even see them go in 12 months from now for a close to 1tb ssd solution if prices keep dropping. It's whatever they can get for ~30 bucks.

Yes and 500GB HDD are totally cheap now.

In fact on 2013 the cost of the HDD of the PS4 was $37 dollars not $28.

More bang for the buck

The hard disk drive in the PlayStation 4 is $1 cheaper than the one in the CECH-2001A PlayStation 3, despite a major jump in capacity to 500 gigabytes (GB), up from 120 GB. This cost reduction reflected the major decline in HDD costs during the past four years.

https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/

Hard Drive - SATA - 120GB

  • The hard drives used in both the last version of the PS3 and the new Gen 2 version both seem to feature trailing edge drives, possibly in order to cut better deals with vendors.
  • This new 120GB drive is estimated at $38, which is within $1 ($39) of last years 80GB drive
  • Of course, hard drives can easily be multi-sourced

https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/2223/sony-ps3-cech-2001a-game-console-teardown

But what on gods green earth make you think the PS5 will come with a 500GB HDD?

Dude SSD even in 1TB still considerable more expensive than regular HDD.

You can get a 1TB HDD for $35 dollars in fact a 7200rpm one.

While a

1TB SSD is basically $95 and up.

I don't see 1TB SSD dropping to $30,not even the 500HDD cost sony so little.

@tdkmillsy said:

He wont listen

1tb SSD halved in price in less than a year, Companies opening new factories (Toshiba) for SSD production, others moving to mass production of GLC SSD. Everyone saying 2019 is the year for mass reductions to SSD. Market settling down after the mining crap. PS5 probably not coming for 18 months+.

Odds on it being SSD where low on a next gen console (even if it was the pro/X version only).

But to some it was a big surprise.

1TB SSD are at about $100 now they will not be halved by next year.

And 2TB one are over $200.

The PS5 will not come for another 18 months,but consoles are not manufacture in 1 damn day lemming,by the end of this year probably start of next year the PS5 will be in full productions,is not like sony will buy the damn HDD 2 days before launching, in fact knowing that they are working now on ssd, those prices are probably secured by NOW at right now prices not next year ones.

Just like AMD is making the PS5 chip as well those things to get manufacture in days it take time,specially to avoid shortages.

This contract are made with time not freaking 3 months from launch,sony probably already has the company who will make those drive secure already or close,you can't just blindly make a product and hope some company will appear 3 month before launch with what you want.

I already explained to you why something happens. Your whole 1tb/2tb ssd and costs for you as consumer now have no meaning towards PS5.

And what has 500gb HDD to do with anything i said?

And if the bom is actually higher for the HDD PS4, that isn't helping your point, then a 480gb would already be doable for them at this point in time without much issue's. And that's probably what you get. Unless they get a better deal on 1tb solution. But only they know and if they wanna spend that cash on it is another question.

At the end of the day they only need a small amount of space to get a few games on it and call it a day.

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#174 Posted by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@Gatygun said:

Bom for PS4 hdd = 28 bucks.

You can get SSD's today already with 240gb capacity for 24 bucks something they probably aim for or maybe 512gb. With not having resellers and other stuff in between + probably more then a year left to get that thing launched, the prices are going to be absolutely acceptable in that time period.

SSD however 18 months ago where in a bad spot same for memory modules. The reason for this was mining. With the mining craze going down and market getting overrunned by the chips, the prices are tanking hard.

Hell i could even see them go in 12 months from now for a close to 1tb ssd solution if prices keep dropping. It's whatever they can get for ~30 bucks.

Yes and 500GB HDD are totally cheap now.

In fact on 2013 the cost of the HDD of the PS4 was $37 dollars not $28.

More bang for the buck

The hard disk drive in the PlayStation 4 is $1 cheaper than the one in the CECH-2001A PlayStation 3, despite a major jump in capacity to 500 gigabytes (GB), up from 120 GB. This cost reduction reflected the major decline in HDD costs during the past four years.

https://www.engadget.com/2013/11/19/ps4-costs-381-to-make-according-to-hardware-teardown/

Hard Drive - SATA - 120GB

  • The hard drives used in both the last version of the PS3 and the new Gen 2 version both seem to feature trailing edge drives, possibly in order to cut better deals with vendors.
  • This new 120GB drive is estimated at $38, which is within $1 ($39) of last years 80GB drive
  • Of course, hard drives can easily be multi-sourced

https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/2223/sony-ps3-cech-2001a-game-console-teardown

But what on gods green earth make you think the PS5 will come with a 500GB HDD?

Dude SSD even in 1TB still considerable more expensive than regular HDD.

You can get a 1TB HDD for $35 dollars in fact a 7200rpm one.

While a

1TB SSD is basically $95 and up.

I don't see 1TB SSD dropping to $30,not even the 500HDD cost sony so little.

@tdkmillsy said:

He wont listen

1tb SSD halved in price in less than a year, Companies opening new factories (Toshiba) for SSD production, others moving to mass production of GLC SSD. Everyone saying 2019 is the year for mass reductions to SSD. Market settling down after the mining crap. PS5 probably not coming for 18 months+.

Odds on it being SSD where low on a next gen console (even if it was the pro/X version only).

But to some it was a big surprise.

1TB SSD are at about $100 now they will not be halved by next year.

And 2TB one are over $200.

The PS5 will not come for another 18 months,but consoles are not manufacture in 1 damn day lemming,by the end of this year probably start of next year the PS5 will be in full productions,is not like sony will buy the damn HDD 2 days before launching, in fact knowing that they are working now on ssd, those prices are probably secured by NOW at right now prices not next year ones.

Just like AMD is making the PS5 chip as well those things to get manufacture in days it take time,specially to avoid shortages.

This contract are made with time not freaking 3 months from launch,sony probably already has the company who will make those drive secure already or close,you can't just blindly make a product and hope some company will appear 3 month before launch with what you want.

1tb SSD have already halved in the last 8-9 months and price cuts will accelerate.

You really need some clarity in what you are saying.

Sony have said it will be SSD now your saying they have based that on current $100/$200 pricing, making the console stupidly expensive before we even look at CPU/GPU.

Just stop do some research, learn the development path of consoles and come back so we can have an adult conversation.

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#175 Posted by joebones5000 (2109 posts) -

@BassMan said:

It is a bullshit claim from Sony. Any time you have to access data on demand, it will take time to load. So, whether you are loading up the game for the first time, loading up a save, fast travelling to a new area, loading up a new race track, a new fighting arena, etc... That shit has to be loaded at some point.

Everyone knows this. You're all over the place now. What are you arguing against, loading?

You're not going to have loading screens while in game anymore. Sony is going to set a trend. It's completely That's a great thing. There's no need to tell me that it's all done in the background. I know how it works. I mentioned it in my first reply to this thread.

Good for Sony.

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#176 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@Gatygun said:

I already explained to you why something happens. Your whole 1tb/2tb ssd and costs for you as consumer now have no meaning towards PS5.

And what has 500gb HDD to do with anything i said?

And if the bom is actually higher for the HDD PS4, that isn't helping your point, then a 480gb would already be doable for them at this point in time without much issue's. And that's probably what you get. Unless they get a better deal on 1tb solution. But only they know and if they wanna spend that cash on it is another question.

At the end of the day they only need a small amount of space to get a few games on it and call it a day.

You should stop this bullshit and i am well aware that sony will not pay the same price i do for millions of HDD because they buy in millions and get discounts that doesn't mean they are irrational discounts because after all the company making them need to make money to.

In 2013 you could get a 500GB HDD for like $50 yet sony was paying $37 dollars per drive as you can see on those parts the savings is not a HUGE as you want to make seen,the price most of the time remain the same while the storage capacity is what change.

In this case sony is going for SSD which is not in anyway or form close to how cheap mechanical drives are.

The 500 GB model has allot to do with the argument because it is YOU who claim the PS4 HDD BOM was $28 dollars when in reality is $37 that is a 9 dollar increase in fact those 9 dollars over 10 million units = 90 more millions than sony payed for those.

In this kind of process everything counts and everything eat into your profits.

I don't think the PS5 will come with a 500GB SSD,it is to freaking small for a console that will for SURE aim for 4k assets,hell games are over 100GB long already in some cases,in fact rumors were that sony plan to use BDXL as media which hold more than 100GB per disc.

So yeah i don't see how 500 will be use on PS5,the PS3 came with 20GB and 60GB and the jump to PS4 was in the case of 20GB 25 times bigger,in the case of the 60GB one 8 times bigger.

So i don't see the PS5 coming with a 500GB SSD at all,and is funny than on one size you seem so open to think that is was a given that SSD was doable but at the same time you think 500GB SSD is even acceptable for a new PS console with games now getting huge.

In fact RDR2 need 149GB on PS4 to install,after that you get 50GB back but still you need the extra space or the game will not install i know i have a 500GB model and i had to erase games to install it.

@ronvalencia said:

Xbox One's ability to run major 560 Xbox 360titles still makes Xbox One as another xbox 360 sold.

Where does it say that is 7200RPM? So it doesn't say and you are assuming so yeah you have no proof and MS never claimed its disk was 7200RPM by the way.

The xbox 360 had what 2000+ games and only 560 work and not MAJOR since most of those games are indies and arcade games,is a joke 25% of the games are supported,which make BC a joke.

And again if i had 20 games and non are BC on xbox one does the xbox one count as been BC to me?

Dude the xbox one is the xbox one,the xbox 360 is the xbox 360 which play all 360 games no fuss as it was intended,the fact alone that you like a BLIND moron in a pathetic attempt to defend MS and the xbox once again claim that one xbox one sold = another 360 sold is reason enough to brand you as a derange lemming,not even blackace would dare make such blind claim.

You are wrong period.

@tdkmillsy said:

1tb SSD have already halved in the last 8-9 months and price cuts will accelerate.

You really need some clarity in what you are saying.

Sony have said it will be SSD now your saying they have based that on current $100/$200 pricing, making the console stupidly expensive before we even look at CPU/GPU.

Just stop do some research, learn the development path of consoles and come back so we can have an adult conversation.

Just because they halved ONCE doesn't mean they will halve twice even less in damn 9 months,you don't get it by the end of this year the damn PS5 will probably enter production or early next year,there is no way in HELL that the contract is not secure now or close to you can't make a mass product product without securing COMPONENTS SUPPLY FIRST.

So trying to act like the PS5 will benefit on launch from a future slash in prices is a joke,in fact the price drops that SSD will experiment will not even benefit sony,they will probably change models and keep the same price,as i illustrate in the link i posted sony payed $39 dollars for the 60GB HDD on the PS3 launch,when the slim model arrived in 2009, 3 years latter sony was paying $38 dollars for the HDD basically 1 dollar less than on launch 2006,what changed was that the drive was now double in size.

That is what will most likely happen.

Actually i am concern with the price SSD 2TB is $200+ and SSD 1TB still is $100 depending on the model,so even if sony pay half the price that still is a $50 dollar SSD which is $13 dollar more expensive drive,that without taking into account stronger GPU and proper GOOD CPU.

Actually unlike you i know consoles are not manufacture with wishful thinking and wet dreams,they take money and every single thing you add is something that add to the cost,take the PS3 and how it started with a PS2 CPU and GPU inside it,a media card reader, 4 USB ports.

All of those things were gone by the time the Slim arrived.

So yeah you are the one who need to find info dude you are arguing like a 13 year old.

In the real world console take time and parts are secure a good year + in advance so you can have a successful launch,apple doesn't buy chips for their phones 6 months before launching them,no company does that.

Those deals are secure by now,and PS5 dev kist are even out according to rumors.

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#177 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@i_p_daily said:

@tormentos: You make no sense, as why would I be butthurt over someone who's trying to eliminate loading screens lol, even your overlord is not happy with you :(

Because you are a lemming an anything good that happen to sony cause you mental stress.

At least is good to see that your breaking from your usual you,and more into your alt way of posting..Hahahaha

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#178 Posted by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/236260-samsung-plants-to-slash-ssd-prices-to-hard-drive-levels-by-2020

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ssd-prices-drop-2019-prediction,news-59345.html

https://hothardware.com/news/ssd-pricing-forecasted-drops-in-2019

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-storage-predictions,38169.html

This is price to the consumer, the buying power Microsoft/Sony will have will push it well lower for them.

PS5 likely to be out end of 2020. Plenty of time for price reductions. Well below 50% less and even as low as current hdd prices according to SAMSUNG. You now the maker of these bloody things.

Its no surprise to people who actually are aware of the situation.

Its fine if you didn't realise, nobody expected you too.

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#179 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

@tormentos:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/236260-samsung-plants-to-slash-ssd-prices-to-hard-drive-levels-by-2020

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ssd-prices-drop-2019-prediction,news-59345.html

https://hothardware.com/news/ssd-pricing-forecasted-drops-in-2019

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-storage-predictions,38169.html

This is price to the consumer, the buying power Microsoft/Sony will have will push it well lower for them.

PS5 likely to be out end of 2020. Plenty of time for price reductions. Well below 50% less and even as low as current hdd prices according to SAMSUNG. You now the maker of these bloody things.

Its no surprise to people who actually are aware of the situation.

Its fine if you didn't realise, nobody expected you too.

1-Link 1 talk about dropping price of 500GB SSD to the price of a 1TB HDD which is like $40 and up depending on the model.

We are in may almost half a year is gone and SSD 500GB still are over $55 dollars and in most cases over $65.

2-Link 2 yeah prediction not an affirmation.

SSD Prices Could Drop Over 50 Percent In 2019 - Report

The same shit with the rest of the link all predictions and forecast not affirmation that those will be the prices.

You just don't get it do you? Parts for the PS5 are probably already in LOCK.

No manufacturer will buy part few months from launch,sony will not buy those drives on May of next year or close,because those components need to be ready for assembly.

You want to make seen like a next year price drop on components will benefit the PS5 when in reality things don't work that way.

Stop making bullshit arguments console aren't manufacture in just a few days and this deals are close many times years in advance,in the worst case a year before launch.

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#180 Edited by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@tdkmillsy said:

@tormentos:

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/236260-samsung-plants-to-slash-ssd-prices-to-hard-drive-levels-by-2020

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/ssd-prices-drop-2019-prediction,news-59345.html

https://hothardware.com/news/ssd-pricing-forecasted-drops-in-2019

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ssd-storage-predictions,38169.html

This is price to the consumer, the buying power Microsoft/Sony will have will push it well lower for them.

PS5 likely to be out end of 2020. Plenty of time for price reductions. Well below 50% less and even as low as current hdd prices according to SAMSUNG. You now the maker of these bloody things.

Its no surprise to people who actually are aware of the situation.

Its fine if you didn't realise, nobody expected you too.

1-Link 1 talk about dropping price of 500GB SSD to the price of a 1TB HDD which is like $40 and up depending on the model.

We are in may almost half a year is gone and SSD 500GB still are over $55 dollars and in most cases over $65.

2-Link 2 yeah prediction not an affirmation.

SSD Prices Could Drop Over 50 Percent In 2019 - Report

The same shit with the rest of the link all predictions and forecast not affirmation that those will be the prices.

You just don't get it do you? Parts for the PS5 are probably already in LOCK.

No manufacturer will buy part few months from launch,sony will not buy those drives on May of next year or close,because those components need to be ready for assembly.

You want to make seen like a next year price drop on components will benefit the PS5 when in reality things don't work that way.

Stop making bullshit arguments console aren't manufacture in just a few days and this deals are close many times years in advance,in the worst case a year before launch.

OK you are wrong but if you want to believe the PS5 will contain a $150+ SSD drive and still be competitive with Xbox that's your loss.

Nobody else believes that.

If you really believe part costs for the PS5 (or any other console) are locked solid 18+ months (could be more) at today's pricing then you really don't know anything.

Who's to say when PS5 will come out could be more than 18 months but even if it was we don't know what negotiations have been done or need to be done. The change to 8gb came less than 8 months before launch and that's a far bigger change than swapping the hard drive.

We do know prices have come down, everyone says they will come down further (a lot), therefor it wasn't a great surprise to hear them being included in the PS5.

It is you that don't get it, but that's ok.

To summarise.

You where shocked at the SSD announcement, I don't recall anyone else being shocked.

I (and others on this forum) was not.

As the feelings are individual and opposite we will have to just take it as that. I'm not bothered you where shocked, I'm guessing your not bothered that I'm was not.

so that's that.

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#181 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

OK you are wrong but if you want to believe the PS5 will contain a $150+ SSD drive and still be competitive with Xbox that's your loss.

Nobody else believes that.

If you really believe part costs for the PS5 (or any other console) are locked solid 18+ months (could be more) at today's pricing then you really don't know anything.

Who's to say when PS5 will come out could be more than 18 months but even if it was we don't know what negotiations have been done or need to be done. The change to 8gb came less than 8 months before launch and that's a far bigger change than swapping the hard drive.

We do know prices have come down, everyone says they will come down further (a lot), therefor it wasn't a great surprise to hear them being included in the PS5.

It is you that don't get it, but that's ok.

To summarise.

You where shocked at the SSD announcement, I don't recall anyone else being shocked.

I (and others on this forum) was not.

As the feelings are individual and opposite we will have to just take it as that. I'm not bothered you where shocked, I'm guessing your not bothered that I'm was not.

so that's that.

No i don't think that at all what my point was is simple,SSD wasn't a given specially with how expensive SSD is.

Nothing more nothing less.

Components for consoles are lock in with time not just a few months from launch which is another point against cheap SSD.

Just so you know the PS3 GPU was lock since 2004.

https://www.geek.com/games/playstation-3-to-have-nvidia-graphics-554678/

Case in point and sony is building this machine around SSD,reason why the make the no loading claim so yeah i am pretty sure either SSD is on lock or close to.

Yes i know prices have cut down as well,but again you most understand that the way things are done on consoles are not the same as you buying on store,you get an instant saving while sony may have already pay millions of dollars to get millions of drives.

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#182 Posted by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@tdkmillsy said:

OK you are wrong but if you want to believe the PS5 will contain a $150+ SSD drive and still be competitive with Xbox that's your loss.

Nobody else believes that.

If you really believe part costs for the PS5 (or any other console) are locked solid 18+ months (could be more) at today's pricing then you really don't know anything.

Who's to say when PS5 will come out could be more than 18 months but even if it was we don't know what negotiations have been done or need to be done. The change to 8gb came less than 8 months before launch and that's a far bigger change than swapping the hard drive.

We do know prices have come down, everyone says they will come down further (a lot), therefor it wasn't a great surprise to hear them being included in the PS5.

It is you that don't get it, but that's ok.

To summarise.

You where shocked at the SSD announcement, I don't recall anyone else being shocked.

I (and others on this forum) was not.

As the feelings are individual and opposite we will have to just take it as that. I'm not bothered you where shocked, I'm guessing your not bothered that I'm was not.

so that's that.

No i don't think that at all what my point was is simple,SSD wasn't a given specially with how expensive SSD is.

Nothing more nothing less.

Components for consoles are lock in with time not just a few months from launch which is another point against cheap SSD.

Just so you know the PS3 GPU was lock since 2004.

https://www.geek.com/games/playstation-3-to-have-nvidia-graphics-554678/

Case in point and sony is building this machine around SSD,reason why the make the no loading claim so yeah i am pretty sure either SSD is on lock or close to.

Yes i know prices have cut down as well,but again you most understand that the way things are done on consoles are not the same as you buying on store,you get an instant saving while sony may have already pay millions of dollars to get millions of drives.

No i don't think that at all what my point was is simple,SSD wasn't a given specially with how expensive SSD is.

Yet you wasn't shocked or surprised at it being included

So with no knowledge of actually when it will be released you believe they have paid millions of dollars to buy millions of drives. At best you are totally guessing but more likely talking shit.

Explain the GDDR5 change 8 months before launch. Which shocked some game developers.

They wont buy drives, they might agree a price based on estimates both in amount and cost at manufacture, but to actually buy the drive is total tosh.

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#183 Posted by faponte13 (49 posts) -

@tormentos: I don't know either way but you say most contracts are secure now but couldn't you hold off on the sdd till like 6 months before launch. It's not like it's a special custom ssd. It's being made already.

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#184 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@faponte13 said:

@tormentos: I don't know either way but you say most contracts are secure now but couldn't you hold off on the sdd till like 6 months before launch. It's not like it's a special custom ssd. It's being made already.

No because they buy in millions and those drives need to be ready when the company start putting the console together for launch,it takes more than 6 months making several million units,hell the PS4 could only make 4.2 millions in 2013.

@tdkmillsy said:

No i don't think that at all what my point was is simple,SSD wasn't a given specially with how expensive SSD is.

Yet you wasn't shocked or surprised at it being included

So with no knowledge of actually when it will be released you believe they have paid millions of dollars to buy millions of drives. At best you are totally guessing but more likely talking shit.

Explain the GDDR5 change 8 months before launch. Which shocked some game developers.

They wont buy drives, they might agree a price based on estimates both in amount and cost at manufacture, but to actually buy the drive is total tosh.

The PS4 was confirmed to have 8GB on February 2013 but it was at a last meeting that they decided it,the PS4 would have 4GB of GDDR5 what they did was use higher density chips,but the decision was done on their last meeting before revealing the PS4 not on February 2013.

But the decision to use GDDR5 was already there,so what you can argue here is sony getting 1TB or 2TB but not the decision it self.

Oh really so sony goes out and buys millions of fu**ing drives just months before launch are you shitting me?

Yeah i am the one guessing and talking shit,even that i showed how parts were secure some times 2 years in advance.

The developers where shocks were not even close to sony,as sony it sell say they gather feed back from several developers on using 8GB over 4GB,and the idea was there the decision is what was made at the last meeting concern about yields was also a problem.

Yeah they don't buy anything and they build their consoles with Fairy dust,wishful thinking and love.

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#185 Edited by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@ronvalencia said:

Xbox One's ability to run major 560 Xbox 360titles still makes Xbox One as another xbox 360 sold.

Where does it say that is 7200RPM? So it doesn't say and you are assuming so yeah you have no proof and MS never claimed its disk was 7200RPM by the way.

The xbox 360 had what 2000+ games and only 560 work and not MAJOR since most of those games are indies and arcade games,is a joke 25% of the games are supported,which make BC a joke.

And again if i had 20 games and non are BC on xbox one does the xbox one count as been BC to me?

Dude the xbox one is the xbox one,the xbox 360 is the xbox 360 which play all 360 games no fuss as it was intended,the fact alone that you like a BLIND moron in a pathetic attempt to defend MS and the xbox once again claim that one xbox one sold = another 360 sold is reason enough to brand you as a derange lemming,not even blackace would dare make such blind claim.

You are wrong period.

From https://boxden.com/showthread.php?p=44059177

Walmart's X1X's pre-order sales context

Correct.

It's just a system for the hardcore gamer. If you own an Xbox One right now with a 4KTV then I suggest upgrading but at the end of the day it all depends on what you wanna spend your money on and if you play enough Xbox to even upgrade to begin with.

RAM got upgraded from 8 GB GDDR3 to 12 GB GDDR5, so system tasks will be much faster.

The included internal hard drive was upgraded from 5400 RPM to 7200 RPM so games will transfer/read/write faster than the other Xbox systems.

There's also 100+ current games getting an Xbox One X patch to somehow improve the games. Some are seeing strictly 4K/HDR a*sets added, others are seeing that alongside a FPS upgrade.

X1X's 5400 rpm HDD has 128 MB cache SATA III 6.0Gbs instead which is still above XBO and PS4 Pro's default HDD storage solutions.

Facts, Xbox One's ability to run major 560 Xbox 360 titles still makes Xbox One as another Xbox 360 variant sold

http://thisgengaming.com/2015/11/12/could-xbox-ones-backwards-compatibility-create-a-major-resurgence-in-xbox-360-game-sales/

https://gamerant.com/grand-theft-auto-4-sales-increase-8000-xbox-backward-compatible/

GTA 4 Sales Increase Almost 8000% After Xbox Backward Compatibility, Xbox One's BC feature is keeping Xbox 360 game sales and software run-time ecosystem alive just like a real Xbox 360 hardware.

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#186 Posted by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@faponte13 said:

@tormentos: I don't know either way but you say most contracts are secure now but couldn't you hold off on the sdd till like 6 months before launch. It's not like it's a special custom ssd. It's being made already.

No because they buy in millions and those drives need to be ready when the company start putting the console together for launch,it takes more than 6 months making several million units,hell the PS4 could only make 4.2 millions in 2013.

@tdkmillsy said:

No i don't think that at all what my point was is simple,SSD wasn't a given specially with how expensive SSD is.

Yet you wasn't shocked or surprised at it being included

So with no knowledge of actually when it will be released you believe they have paid millions of dollars to buy millions of drives. At best you are totally guessing but more likely talking shit.

Explain the GDDR5 change 8 months before launch. Which shocked some game developers.

They wont buy drives, they might agree a price based on estimates both in amount and cost at manufacture, but to actually buy the drive is total tosh.

The PS4 was confirmed to have 8GB on February 2013 but it was at a last meeting that they decided it,the PS4 would have 4GB of GDDR5 what they did was use higher density chips,but the decision was done on their last meeting before revealing the PS4 not on February 2013.

But the decision to use GDDR5 was already there,so what you can argue here is sony getting 1TB or 2TB but not the decision it self.

Oh really so sony goes out and buys millions of fu**ing drives just months before launch are you shitting me?

Yeah i am the one guessing and talking shit,even that i showed how parts were secure some times 2 years in advance.

The developers where shocks were not even close to sony,as sony it sell say they gather feed back from several developers on using 8GB over 4GB,and the idea was there the decision is what was made at the last meeting concern about yields was also a problem.

Yeah they don't buy anything and they build their consoles with Fairy dust,wishful thinking and love.

Your off you trolly

Can just imagine it now based on what you are saying.

Sony to SSD supplier - I'd like to buy 10 million SSD drives please for something I'm putting out in 20 months time (we don't actually know the date but we do know its at least 12 months)

SSD supplier - certainly we have 10 million 2Tb (example size) drives ready on the shelf ready for you, but current prices is $150 per SSD (prices for principle example), we are building new factories and drastically increasing mass production in 2019 but you have to pay todays price.

Sony to SSD supplier - no problem I'll buy them at todays prices

Sony internal meeting - We have to set the PS5 price to $600+ due to SSD price

12 months later

Sony to SSD supplier - your prices have reduced by more than 50%

SSD supplier - if only we had had a conversation early about what the prices will be based apon your order and our plans.

Not gong to happen, good job your not in the market to produce anything never mind a console.

Just stop and think for a moment please man it just doesn't make sense.

90+ million consoles in 5 years produced and they have to start making them 18+ months than release date. There is all sorts of preparation, contracts, agreements etc that have been done and probably some that still need to be done. SSD is an off the self product far easier to sauce than other parts of the console.

I've tried to summaries this conversation and you simply want to arque with no take on what others (not just me) are saying.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

cant we just end with that.

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#187 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

Your off you trolly

Can just imagine it now based on what you are saying.

Sony to SSD supplier - I'd like to buy 10 million SSD drives please for something I'm putting out in 20 months time (we don't actually know the date but we do know its at least 12 months)

SSD supplier - certainly we have 10 million 2Tb (example size) drives ready on the shelf ready for you, but current prices is $150 per SSD (prices for principle example), we are building new factories and drastically increasing mass production in 2019 but you have to pay todays price.

Sony to SSD supplier - no problem I'll buy them at todays prices

Sony internal meeting - We have to set the PS5 price to $600+ due to SSD price

12 months later

Sony to SSD supplier - your prices have reduced by more than 50%

SSD supplier - if only we had had a conversation early about what the prices will be based apon your order and our plans.

Not gong to happen, good job your not in the market to produce anything never mind a console.

Just stop and think for a moment please man it just doesn't make sense.

90+ million consoles in 5 years produced and they have to start making them 18+ months than release date. There is all sorts of preparation, contracts, agreements etc that have been done and probably some that still need to be done. SSD is an off the self product far easier to sauce than other parts of the console.

I've tried to summaries this conversation and you simply want to arque with no take on what others (not just me) are saying.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

cant we just end with that.

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,your argument about the machine not coming for another 18 months as if sony would buy SSD 18 months from now is laughable.

It doesn't work that way and never has.

The decision to use GDDR5 on PS4 was make years in advance what change was the density of the chips but the machine would have GDDR5 one way or the other the decision was already made years in advance.

And in fact sony was lucky that the company they had was able to produce higher density chips just in time,by the time sony announce 8GB the decision was already made.

No you try to downplay the news,sony claim is seeking to end loading with SSD and you some how think is not news YOU a blind biased sony hater.

What a shock...

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#188 Posted by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@tdkmillsy said:

Your off you trolly

Can just imagine it now based on what you are saying.

Sony to SSD supplier - I'd like to buy 10 million SSD drives please for something I'm putting out in 20 months time (we don't actually know the date but we do know its at least 12 months)

SSD supplier - certainly we have 10 million 2Tb (example size) drives ready on the shelf ready for you, but current prices is $150 per SSD (prices for principle example), we are building new factories and drastically increasing mass production in 2019 but you have to pay todays price.

Sony to SSD supplier - no problem I'll buy them at todays prices

Sony internal meeting - We have to set the PS5 price to $600+ due to SSD price

12 months later

Sony to SSD supplier - your prices have reduced by more than 50%

SSD supplier - if only we had had a conversation early about what the prices will be based apon your order and our plans.

Not gong to happen, good job your not in the market to produce anything never mind a console.

Just stop and think for a moment please man it just doesn't make sense.

90+ million consoles in 5 years produced and they have to start making them 18+ months than release date. There is all sorts of preparation, contracts, agreements etc that have been done and probably some that still need to be done. SSD is an off the self product far easier to sauce than other parts of the console.

I've tried to summaries this conversation and you simply want to arque with no take on what others (not just me) are saying.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

cant we just end with that.

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,your argument about the machine not coming for another 18 months as if sony would buy SSD 18 months from now is laughable.

It doesn't work that way and never has.

The decision to use GDDR5 on PS4 was make years in advance what change was the density of the chips but the machine would have GDDR5 one way or the other the decision was already made years in advance.

And in fact sony was lucky that the company they had was able to produce higher density chips just in time,by the time sony announce 8GB the decision was already made.

No you try to downplay the news,sony claim is seeking to end loading with SSD and you some how think is not news YOU a blind biased sony hater.

What a shock...

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,

This is why you cannot be taken serious on these forums.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

I have nothing against Sony, all companies big up and exaggerate.

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#189 Posted by tormentos (28740 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,

This is why you cannot be taken serious on these forums.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

I have nothing against Sony, all companies big up and exaggerate.

No it is you who can't be taken seriously even if SSD was a damn given which wasn't and even a thread with a poll was make here about it,still would be BIG ass NEWS.

Because is a confirmation that sony will using faster devices this gen contrary to last gen and who knows if MS as well.

So yeah it is big news but because MS wasn't the one breaking it in it was sony,some how the news is not really news,you lemmings are too bitter.

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#190 Edited by tdkmillsy (3018 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@tdkmillsy said:

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,

This is why you cannot be taken serious on these forums.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

I have nothing against Sony, all companies big up and exaggerate.

No it is you who can't be taken seriously even if SSD was a damn given which wasn't and even a thread with a poll was make here about it,still would be BIG ass NEWS.

Because is a confirmation that sony will using faster devices this gen contrary to last gen and who knows if MS as well.

So yeah it is big news but because MS wasn't the one breaking it in it was sony,some how the news is not really news,you lemmings are too bitter.

It wasn't given but it was highly likely, which meant the news wasn't as big as Sony exaggerated it to be.

Its fine you don't need to carry on trying to justify yourself.

You where surprised

I was not

simple as that.

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#191 Edited by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@tormentos said:

Is no use you actually believe that shopping for parts for products can be done in 3 days,your argument about the machine not coming for another 18 months as if sony would buy SSD 18 months from now is laughable.

It doesn't work that way and never has.

The decision to use GDDR5 on PS4 was make years in advance what change was the density of the chips but the machine would have GDDR5 one way or the other the decision was already made years in advance.

And in fact sony was lucky that the company they had was able to produce higher density chips just in time,by the time sony announce 8GB the decision was already made.

No you try to downplay the news,sony claim is seeking to end loading with SSD and you some how think is not news YOU a blind biased sony hater.

What a shock...

Early PS4 used "clamshell" 16 chip config for 8GB GDDR5 with 256 bit bus e.g. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MAINBOARD-MOTHERBOARD-for-SONY-Play-station_60643469152.html

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https://pcper.com/2013/10/amd-radeon-r9-280x-r9-270x-and-r7-260x-review/

Oct 8, 2013 has R9-270X 4GB VRAM 8 chip was mentioned.

https://techreport.com/review/25466/amd-radeon-r9-280x-and-270x-graphics-cards

R9-270X's confirmed 8 chip with 4GB.

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#192 Posted by michaelmikado (271 posts) -

Since this debate is still going on I’ll just plug this in again. I predict PS5 will use UFS 3.0 as the storage.

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#193 Posted by rzxv04 (573 posts) -

@michaelmikado said:

Since this debate is still going on I’ll just plug this in again. I predict PS5 will use UFS 3.0 as the storage.

Maybe for the slower part of the storage is a more hybrid type? I thought UFS 3 was meant to replace the slow eMMCs of androids/cheap windows tablets?

Isn't NVME faster and already have been available since the iPhone 6s?

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#194 Edited by michaelmikado (271 posts) -

@rzxv04: apples nvme isn’t faster than UFS 3.0. NVMe has higher theoretical bandwidth but in the real world UFS 3.0 transfer rates at are around 2.4GBps vs apples 1.8GBps. UFS 3.0 is also smaller, cheaper, and consumes less power. And in theory could sit directly on the interposer acting as an L4 cache. That said I’m also expecting DDR5 not 4 in these machines with a LP variant in later slim models.

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#195 Posted by foxhound_fox (97853 posts) -

Metroid Prime did this in 2002.

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#196 Edited by I_P_Daily (11421 posts) -

@tormentos said:
@i_p_daily said:

@tormentos: You make no sense, as why would I be butthurt over someone who's trying to eliminate loading screens lol, even your overlord is not happy with you :(

Because you are a lemming an anything good that happen to sony cause you mental stress.

At least is good to see that your breaking from your usual you,and more into your alt way of posting..Hahahaha

See you trying to figure out who my alt is when i'm on my original account is what causes mental stress to you. The reason you can't figure out who i'm an alt of is because i'm not one, but the more I tell you this the less you believe it and that causes you such stress and me much happiness :)

And I also love how you take my memes/gifs out when you quote me, which means it must stress you out, so here again is a pic of your overlord not happy with you, enjoy because you know I will enjoy it lol

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#197 Posted by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@michaelmikado said:

@rzxv04: apples nvme isn’t faster than UFS 3.0. NVMe has higher theoretical bandwidth but in the real world UFS 3.0 transfer rates at are around 2.4GBps vs apples 1.8GBps. UFS 3.0 is also smaller, cheaper, and consumes less power. And in theory could sit directly on the interposer acting as an L4 cache. That said I’m also expecting DDR5 not 4 in these machines with a LP variant in later slim models.

L4 cache should be DDR4 or GDDR6 memory which is faster than both NVMe and UFS 3.0.

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#198 Posted by michaelmikado (271 posts) -

@ronvalencia:

I said theoretically as in it’s possible, not specifically for PS5 but for low end phones as UFS 3.0 is approaching LPDDR1 speeds. A 3.1 variant could likely allow low end phones to combine RAM and storage as a single unit. The point was to show how fast it is.

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#199 Posted by henrythefifth (2219 posts) -

Load screens are result of poor programming, not poor hardware.

So, they will still exist on PS5. Especially on Bethesda games..

I mean take Skyrim. On last gen, you could excuse the long loads due to memory restrictions.

But on PS4? Oh no! With little reprogramming, the game could've pre-loaded every interior in the players vicinity at all times, thus removing load screens from the PS4 version. But did Bethesda bother? Nope.

Poor, lazy programming. And it will not change on next gen. Lazy programmers still allow load screens instead of writing systems that pre-loads everything to a degree on the backround to negate long loads.

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#200 Edited by ronvalencia (27447 posts) -

@michaelmikado said:

@ronvalencia:

I said theoretically as in it’s possible, not specifically for PS5 but for low end phones as UFS 3.0 is approaching LPDDR1 speeds. A 3.1 variant could likely allow low end phones to combine RAM and storage as a single unit. The point was to show how fast it is.

From Ryzen CPU's POV, RAM would be L4 while Intel Optane (8 GB/s to 33 GB/s) would be L5. https://www.zdnet.com/article/first-optane-performance-tests-show-benefits-and-limits-of-intels-nvdimms/

LPDDR defined by 16 bit or 32 bit bus.