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Poll PS5 to Cost More Than XSX (49 votes)

Master Chief! 47%
...Craig. 53%
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https://wccftech.com/ps5-to-cost-more-than-xsx-while-struggling-more-with-multiplatform-games-in-performance-says-insider/

[...] from some murmurings I've been hearing, I'll just say I suspect this topic is going to age "interestingly" when a few more details on both platforms are revealed.

I mean this in a few more ways, but to give the broadest idea, I'll just say the Xbox Series X is by far more powerful than the PS5 if we're just talking raw power, multi-platform games will run better there, it is something people are going to have to prepare themselves for. Add to this Microsoft are ready to lowball Sony when it comes to price. They can more easily make a sacrifice and get back profits from Game Pass than console sales than Sony can from that comparatively.

PS5 is easier to develop for overall and Sony has very talented studios behind it that will get the most out of the PS5, that I have no doubts about either, but this topic is about how Microsoft will compete so what I'm focused on. But when it comes to cross-platform games, they will end up performing a lot better on Xbox Series X. Xbox Series X will have the tech advantage over PS5, and it will be more than marginal.

The basic gist of what I've heard is the PS5 is really good to work on for games exclusive to it, but in practice the specs kinda' get weird for multi-platform games. If multi-plat the usage of PS5's SSD systems does help a bit, but not to the fullest, and I've heard some dev friends talk a bit about the struggle PS5 has for 1080p games running 60fps still, while Xbox Series X doesn't have the same problem and can push above that even in most cases. Of course, this is a small selection of people I've talked to, there's more to it, but I hear something that's going to make this generation a bit interesting is the PS5 & Xbox Series X's focus in other areas are going to make multi-platform games "interesting" this generation, to the point we may actually see less of them and far more games coming to one platform or the other (plus PC), as it's actually kinda' hard to make a game optimal for both platforms due to where they're a bit differently focused.

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Okay, so I guess I'll just come clean here... I'm talking about Resident Evil Village. The game's terrible performance at the PS5 reveal event with the terrible frame rate present in the trailer was kinda the current status of the game on PS5 as of a few months ago. The thing is, apparently the game runs perfectly on Xbox Series X, they've been having some troubles getting the frame rate stable on PS5 (which as Sony had a rule to record the PS5 event gameplay on PS5, lead to the weird frame showing in that trailer). But it's running in the RE Engine, and they'll be making more optimizations to take advantage of the game there.

The price stuff is from different sources, I said that earlier but will clarify here.

From what I've anecdotally heard from some other dev friends of mine, Xbox Series X does have the advantage when it comes to multi-platform games on most fronts. But this is still anecdotal from the few people I've talked to on this topic, but I think some people should get ready for that as it was consistent at least with everyone I've talked with making games for PS5 & Xbox Series X.

Revenge of the 12 TFLOP is on Day 1.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/revenge-of-the-12-tflop-when-is-it-gonna-happen-33501168/

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#1 hardwenzen  Online
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If the PS5 costs more than a much more powerful XSX, then the PS5 is the 2013 Xbone in 2020.

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#2 deactivated-60bf765068a74
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PS4 was way more powerful than the xbone and 100 dollars cheaper.

It didn't matter some idiots bought the xbone anyway. Same thing will happen this time.

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@hardwenzen said:

If the PS5 costs more than a much more powerful XSX, then the PS5 is the 2013 Xbone in 2020.

I hope that's the case so that Sony can throw MS some bone.

I'm expecting the same price for Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5 but who knows.

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"dev friends talk a bit about the struggle PS5 has for 1080p games running 60fps still, while Xbox Series X doesn't have the same problem and can push above that even in most cases."

Come on the PS5 struggling with 1080p/60? Any serious person here really believe that? RE7 runs at 1080p/60 on a base PS4.

As for the Series X performing better than PS5. Well, I mean anyone expecting the opposite has been living under a rock lol.

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@Zero_epyon: RE8 ran like garbage in the trailer. In the 15-20fps range.

Not that it matters because the game is 6 months away at a minimum. By the time it comes out, it’ll be 4K/30.

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@Zero_epyon: RE8 ran like garbage in the trailer. In the 15-20fps range.

Not that it matters because the game is 6 months away at a minimum. By the time it comes out, it’ll be 4K/30.

Isn't RE8 like years away (at least a year n a half)? There is no way that game is coming out in around half a year.

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lol wccf

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@i_p_daily said:

While you were absent, i was defending lems.

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@hardwenzen said:
@i_p_daily said:

While you were absent, i was defending lems.

Did a decent job too.

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Dang, them Cows just can’t seem to catch a break.

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#13 Zero_epyon
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@Zero_epyon: RE8 ran like garbage in the trailer. In the 15-20fps range.

Not that it matters because the game is 6 months away at a minimum. By the time it comes out, it’ll be 4K/30.

Not disputing that the trailer was framy. But to say the devs are having trouble with 1080p 60 when their previous game ran at that same res and performance on a base PS4 is strange. Like what are they trying to do at 1080?

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#14 Telekill
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I think anything more than $500 for PS5 and Sony will be pushing it.

Microsoft can afford the hit. Sony has the games and can arguably charge more because they deliver. If the gap is too big though... that will turn people off.

Time will tell but I think this is one of those times to take rumor with a grain of salt.

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@hardwenzen said:
@i_p_daily said:

While you were absent, i was defending lems.

Lems don't need defending, cows on the other hand, well that's a whole new story.

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Man, the ps5 is gonna suuuuuuck!

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@i_p_daily said:
@hardwenzen said:
@i_p_daily said:

While you were absent, i was defending lems.

Lems don't need defending, cows on the other hand, well that's a whole new story.

I don't know about that. HAVE YOU SEEN the new 120fps Halo Infinite footage Tormy posted? Its pretty ridiculous when KZ2 from 2008 looks better.

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@hardwenzen: ill be playing killzone 2 @ 120 hz in the near future on the pc thanks to RPCS3.

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Oh boy! Yet another poll thread and with the totally original options of either ‘Master Chief’ or ‘....Craig’. What a treat!

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@filthyn00b said:

@hardwenzen: ill be playing killzone 2 @ 120 hz in the near future on the pc thanks to RPCS3.

Why would you do that? Its a shitty game.

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@Archangel3371 said:

Oh boy! Yet another poll thread and with the totally original options of either ‘Master Chief’ or ‘....Craig’. What a treat!

Wait, was somebody else copying me?

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@hardwenzen: nah it's actually alright.

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Nice.

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Ohmargud stop being mean to Sony!

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I thought it was common knowledge that the serious X shat on the ps5?

One CGI horizon trailer got cows thinking all ps5 games will look like that.....in reality....they will look like god fall.

HaH

Don’t get upset I’m sure one or two games will look nearly as good as hellblade 2

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How many more of these need to come out before fanboys realise there is a bigger issue than people first thought.

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#27  Edited By rzxv04
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@bluestars said:

I thought it was common knowledge that the serious X shat on the ps5?

One CGI horizon trailer got cows thinking all ps5 games will look like that.....in reality....they will look like god fall.

HaH

Don’t get upset I’m sure one or two games will look nearly as good as hellblade 2

Horizon graphics are likely real time. Too many artifacts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvcGTALP6qk

Yes. First party games later and immediate 3rd party games will look better on Series X.

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@hardwenzen said:
@i_p_daily said:
@hardwenzen said:
@i_p_daily said:

While you were absent, i was defending lems.

Lems don't need defending, cows on the other hand, well that's a whole new story.

I don't know about that. HAVE YOU SEEN the new 120fps Halo Infinite footage Tormy posted? Its pretty ridiculous when KZ2 from 2008 looks better.

I don't read anything that alt tormy writes, that's the definition of stupidity.

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#29 Sagemode87
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@bluestars: what clowntalk. Both machines are several times stronger than the current gen norm. So we're not going to get much difference from that but the 15 percent difference from PS5 and Series X will have a monumental difference? Please explain.

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@Sagemode87 said:

@bluestars: what clowntalk. Both machines are several times stronger than the current gen norm. So we're not going to get much difference from that but the 15 percent difference from PS5 and Series X will have a monumental difference? Please explain.

It hurts. I know....but you're asking us to explain what multiple devs are saying. It looks like there will be the same difference as with x1x vs ps4 pro. Ouchy.

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@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

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@Sagemode87 said:

@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

Im guessing you dont have a source for why One x is going to be discontinued.....other than the xss taking its place?

Besides, with games like Resident evil struggling at 1080p on the tumorstation 5, I think theres already plenty of clown talk....

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@rzxv04:

I wonder why that screen show actual CU gap and not Tflop gap..😂

I also wonder why it doesn't show the PS5 bandwidth advantage over 6Gb of ram that are slower on xbox.

I guess people will chose what ever crap that makes their system look better.

Much like MS hyped 150mhz more on 2013 and ESRAM suppose bandwidth.

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That weak piece of shit Series S will be what holds 3rd party games back next gen. Releasing a 1080p console in 2020 and expecting it to last at least 7 years is a joke.

Sony's first party games will continue to outclass everything else visually while Microsoft keeps throwing low budget janky shit at the wall hoping something sticks.

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@i_p_daily said:

I don't read anything that alt tormy writes, that's the definition of stupidity.

That silly considering you have been in tons of thread i have make over the years here and always in the same way,not making a point what so ever and drowning in tears.🤣

@tdkmillsy said:

How many more of these need to come out before fanboys realise there is a bigger issue than people first thought.

Yes because the PS5 will have problem running a game in 1080p 60FPS,yeah that is totally credible.

No one is saying the PS5 would be stronger but this is a click bait article and some of you as always are jumping on it. Time to bookmark this thread.

@sealionact said:

It hurts. I know....but you're asking us to explain what multiple devs are saying. It looks like there will be the same difference as with x1x vs ps4 pro. Ouchy.

Please link me to those developers you claim are saying that,no i don't want a link to a shitty site posting bullshit for clicks people quote actual developers.

That in bold is actually funny you know that screen showing 44% gap in GPU is talking about CU numbers not about actual flop performance.

The PS4 had 50% more CU than the xbox one,it only translated into 40% more power,the xbox series X has 44% more CU but actual power difference is 18.3% to 21.3% IF the GPU is run under 2.23ghz.

But i already bookmark this thread for future fun making.😎

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#36  Edited By tormentos
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@sealionact said:
@Sagemode87 said:

@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

Im guessing you dont have a source for why One x is going to be discontinued.....other than the xss taking its place?

Besides, with games like Resident evil struggling at 1080p on the tumorstation 5, I think theres already plenty of clown talk....

Great so you actually believe the PS5 is having problems running a game at 1080p 60FPS thanks for letting me know that detail.

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I actually worry about third party devs taking time to optimize PS5 ports since it is the weaker system, and achieve parity, but not bother as much with Series X since they expect the power to brute force lack of optimization, and sloppy Series X development will show.

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#38  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@NathanDrakeSwag: what makes you think it will be so weak? If the TFLOPs and CPU rumors are true it should be similar to or even better than the X1X

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@lamprey263 said:

I actually worry about third party devs taking time to optimize PS5 ports since it is the weaker system, and achieve parity, but not bother as much with Series X since they expect the power to brute force lack of optimization, and sloppy Series X development will show.

I don't think the Series X has allot more power than the PS5 to brute force optimizations,it simply doesn't.

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I see damage control and meltdowns all because of the variable overclocked system is still not faster than the Craig machine.🤣

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#41  Edited By Bluestars
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@rzxv04:

Not a chance unless your playing as the water...like the screen I have seen on here masquerading as gameplay...where you see HER dive into the water....cinematic I’m afraid

But there may have been actual gameplay and it will look good....guaranteed

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@Sagemode87:

The difference will be so big that when Digital Foundry do their first comparison video,the million cows who tune in hoping to see no difference will not be present on their next comparison video

HaH

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LMAO having problems with 1080p games at 60fps?? WTF

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@Tessellation said:

LMAO having problems with 1080p games at 60fps?? WTF

This rumor is as credible as your Superdae and Kotaku new specs that would turn the xbox one into something else.😂

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@tormentos: "I don't think the Series X has allot more power than the PS5 to brute force optimizations,it simply doesn't."

**brute force through lack of optimization** and I agree, and that's why I worry we'll see some sloppy multiplatform releases on the Series X.

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@tormentos said:
@sealionact said:
@Sagemode87 said:

@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

Im guessing you dont have a source for why One x is going to be discontinued.....other than the xss taking its place?

Besides, with games like Resident evil struggling at 1080p on the tumorstation 5, I think theres already plenty of clown talk....

Great so you actually believe the PS5 is having problems running a game at 1080p 60FPS thanks for letting me know that detail.

Yes it is....thats not me "believing it" .....thats the devs saying that they are struggling to get it to run 60fps. Im sure it will run better at launch.....lol.

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@tormentos: LMAO the news hurt you , well expected from the 9.2 TFLOPS console..only Sony devs will save it and not by much and the games show it🤣

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@Sagemode87 said:

@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

The Xbox One X was discontinued because next gen is coming in a few short months and it will become obsolete. The Xbox Series X won't make it obsolete because the price will be much higher. However, the Xbox series S will be cheaper and more powerful than the X1X. Why would anyone buy an X1X when they can get a XSS that is more powerful and will run all next gen games for the full duration of next gen and be considerably cheaper?

Microsoft can't just make the X1X cheaper than the XSS because the newer hardware will actually be cheaper to manufacture. It makes all the sense in the world for them to discontinue the X1X.

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@Xplode_games said:
@Sagemode87 said:

@sealionact: lmao, I'm sure it hurt more that One X was discontinued for bad sales. Sure it hurts that no one wants a Series X. Keep up the clown talk though.

The Xbox One X was discontinued because next gen is coming in a few short months and it will become obsolete. The Xbox Series X won't make it obsolete because the price will be much higher. However, the Xbox series S will be cheaper and more powerful than the X1X. Why would anyone buy an X1X when they can get a XSS that is more powerful and will run all next gen games for the full duration of next gen and be considerably cheaper?

Microsoft can't just make the X1X cheaper than the XSS because the newer hardware will actually be cheaper to manufacture. It makes all the sense in the world for them to discontinue the X1X.

Shhhh.....youre talking actual sense.....you'll confuse him.

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#50 sealionact
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

That weak piece of shit Series S will be what holds 3rd party games back next gen. Releasing a 1080p console in 2020 and expecting it to last at least 7 years is a joke.

Sony's first party games will continue to outclass everything else visually while Microsoft keeps throwing low budget janky shit at the wall hoping something sticks.

Someone hasn't done their research......