PS3/360 without HD graphics - still Next Gen?

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#1 Number_1_Gamer
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I don't think so.

If you took out the graphics to the 360/PS3 how is it next gen?

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#2 -GeordiLaForge-
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The reality is that both consoles DO have HD graphics... and great exclusives..
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#3 CPM_basic
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Yes they would sitll be next gen because they have much bigger environments and way better physics than last gen consoles.
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#4 alienhunter187
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The Xbox 360 and PS3 aren't "next-gen" anymore, they're current-gen. And yes, they are better than their predecessors. With more power, they can have larger environments, better physics, better A.I., etc.
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#5 Kayrod29
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Yeah, you are right, if you take out the Wiimote from the Wii, it is last gen, I agree 100%.
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#6 hellzhitman
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    Um, lets see now... Xbox Live is the most amazing console online system to date.  You can stream your music in and out of a game, you ahve the ability for patches, demos etc. Still pretty next gen if you ask me.  PS3 is the same too,  just not as high calibur as XBL, but it still aplies.
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#7 blurb1324
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Even if you play in SD, there's still a marked improvement over PS2/Xbox graphics.
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#8 Number_1_Gamer
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LOL. You all missed the entire point of the thread.
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#9 SyluxElite
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LOL. You all missed the entire point of the thread.Number_1_Gamer
Agreed. :(
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#10 justforlotr2004
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I don't think so.

If you took out the graphics to the 360/PS3 how is it next gen?

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Without HD the games would still have the same poly's, same textures, same physics, same AI.  HD only makes it look more clear, nothing more.

Xbox-> Xbox 360
PS2->PS3
GC->Wii

All systems are next gen, not because they have new gadgets but because they are the next system, hince next generation. 

Anyway there are plenty things each system has new and that is an improvement over its last, wheither its a controller or a seemless user interface that has a lot of features.


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#11 bman000
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Next gen usually refers to better graphics, and in other cases new controls (Wiimote). Take out either....
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#12 akif22
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even without HD, games still look great
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#13 Tony_aaaa
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Without HD, PS3 and 360 would be rendering @ 480I or P right? That means even MORE detailed texturing, higher FSAA rates, more shader effects, etc. Lowering the resolution makes everything even easier to do. They'd look FAR better than last gen, lowering the res to 480 makes no difference, in fact NATIVE 480 games (on a SD screen) would look even better than current 720/1080 do (on a SD screen.)
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#14 topgunmv
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Textures can only look so detailed at 480p before you literally can't see a difference. No real point in making a texture sharper than what the tv can display right? You'd need more fsaa because the resolution is so low too, kind of self defeating any benifit from a lower resolution. Not to mention small objects look like crap in non hd.

Without HD, PS3 and 360 would be rendering @ 480I or P right? That means even MORE detailed texturing, higher FSAA rates, more shader effects, etc. Lowering the resolution makes everything even easier to do. They'd look FAR better than last gen, lowering the res to 480 makes no difference, in fact NATIVE 480 games (on a SD screen) would look even better than current 720/1080 do (on a SD screen.)Tony_aaaa

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#15 Tony_aaaa
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Textures can only look so detailed at 480p before you literally can't see a difference. No real point in making a texture sharper than what the tv can display right? You'd need more fsaa because the resolution is so low too, kind of self defeating any benifit from a lower resolution. Not to mention small objects look like crap in non hd.

[QUOTE="Tony_aaaa"]Without HD, PS3 and 360 would be rendering @ 480I or P right? That means even MORE detailed texturing, higher FSAA rates, more shader effects, etc. Lowering the resolution makes everything even easier to do. They'd look FAR better than last gen, lowering the res to 480 makes no difference, in fact NATIVE 480 games (on a SD screen) would look even better than current 720/1080 do (on a SD screen.)topgunmv

Exactly, when displayed on a SD TV well over 1/2 of the texture detail is lost (on a designed for 720p 360 game that gets downscaled to SD) so a NATIVE 480p 360 game would use smaller textures to begin with. This would free up memory and GPU resorces that would be used to add more (texure layers, shader effects, filtering, whatever.) Thus on SD, a native 480 (360/PS3) game would always look better than a native 720p (360/PS3) version downscaled to SD. Note, my point was about (the original topic:) why next gen systems in SD only, would still look much better than last gen.
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#16 t2wave
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I'm basically seing a yes here so we winnzors.
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#17 topgunmv
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Oh ok, I thought you were saying that next gen games would look better if designed for 480p instead of 720p.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Textures can only look so detailed at 480p before you literally can't see a difference. No real point in making a texture sharper than what the tv can display right? You'd need more fsaa because the resolution is so low too, kind of self defeating any benifit from a lower resolution. Not to mention small objects look like crap in non hd.

[QUOTE="Tony_aaaa"]Without HD, PS3 and 360 would be rendering @ 480I or P right? That means even MORE detailed texturing, higher FSAA rates, more shader effects, etc. Lowering the resolution makes everything even easier to do. They'd look FAR better than last gen, lowering the res to 480 makes no difference, in fact NATIVE 480 games (on a SD screen) would look even better than current 720/1080 do (on a SD screen.)Tony_aaaa

Exactly, when displayed on a SD TV well over 1/2 of the texture detail is lost (on a designed for 720p 360 game that gets downscaled to SD) so a NATIVE 480p 360 game would use smaller textures to begin with. This would free up memory and GPU resorces that would be used to add more (texure layers, shader effects, filtering, whatever.) Thus on SD, a native 480 (360/PS3) game would always look better than a native 720p (360/PS3) version downscaled to SD. Note, my point was about (the original topic:) why next gen systems in SD only, would still look much better than last gen.

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#18 trasherhead
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it would still be "next gen" since its the next gen of consoles...
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#19 VladTheImpaler
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I don't think so.

If you took out the graphics to the 360/PS3 how is it next gen?

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They do have HD graphics. you know that right.

Someone else takes this away I do not have time to ponit out everything wrong with this thread.

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#20 borgmaster
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they would still be "next-gen" because they would be predecessors to the PS2 and xbox. even if they had atari graphics.
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#21 Tony_aaaa
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"Oh ok, I thought you were saying that next gen games would look better if designed for 480p instead of 720p."

I COMPLETLY agree with you that current gen games should be rendered at mainly 720p. Just trying to show why this gen is far more powerful, even if it wasn't capable of HD output.

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#22 ish_gibbor
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I don't think so.

If you took out the graphics to the 360/PS3 how is it next gen?

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I have only played my 360 on a standard TV. The graphics look amazing. Totally next generation. Have you ever seen the video clips in some of the PS2 video games on SDTV? LIke final fantasy? See how much better those CGI cut scenes look on the standard TV than the regular graphics? How much better does the CGI movie ANTS look on the SDTV compared to PS2 graphics?

When viewing a dvd on a standard tv verses an HD tv, does not change to much, neither does gears change much on a SD to HD tv. I have seen both.

Next: The physics in 360 games are WAY better than xbox and ps2. This totally changes the way the game feels and plays.

and more: The AI is much smarter, which totally changes the way a game feels and makes the fun factor and reply value greater.

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#23 rarsi123
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Up until this generation we haven't normally paid much attention to what 'next generation' means. At its simplest, it is used to denote a new generation of consoles. However, in the past, this has always been accompanied by an advance in hardware/graphics/a.i, the two have always gone hand in hand, so much so, that the term 'next generation' is now synonymous with a new improved piece of hardware. Many feel that Nintendo has not made this jump, so can not be referred to as 'next gen'.