Project O Wii details

This game sounds quite amazing.

Yasunaga described the game's "life simulation" component, which shares some similarities to his previous project, World Neverland. In Project O, NPC characters move according to AI routines, following their own schedules, making friends, and appearing to carry about their lives. Yasunaga is working on this area of the game with a programmer, and is currently considering the details of the various life patterns.

The life simulation has three parts to it. NPC characters will have their own life, doing things like going to work and coming home to sleep. They'll have reactions to other characters, saluting their superior officers during encounters, for instance.

The third area is memory. Each NPC character will retain a record of things that happened in the past. Yasunaga gave the example of characters walking down a street that they used to traverse with a girlfriend who has died. The NPCs will also remember things that happened during gameplay. For instance, if a character kills a monster, he'll boast about it in town.

Characters will have their own set of AI rules. Unlike World Neverland where, according to Yasunaga, 120 people behaved according to the same AI, Project O's characters behave in accordance with their professions. The game will have scores of different AI routines.

As discussed in previous interviews, in addition to this life simulation area, the game will also feature a growing city. Your city might actually start off as a village, growing in scale as the game progresses. The developers are hoping that players will boast about the state of their town to their friends.

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/809/809780p1.html

It's all a lie, we all know that advanced AI can only exist on the "true" next-gen systems!

On a more serious note, been waiting for a game to come along to take this path of detail when it comes to AI. 3D environments have been immersive for a long time, but the AI's reactionsis still the same from games like Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy. Meaning they don't have anything important to say or do unless it directly relates to what you're doing.

*INB4 "teh kiddy" comments*magiciandude

Unless you just hang out in a sandbox with rugrats :o

sounds cool

So it's like Home and the Sims...?nintendofreak_2

It sound like it has monsters in it so it's probably not like Sims.

The third area is memory. Each NPC character will retain a record of things that happened in the past. Yasunaga gave the example of characters walking down a street that they used to traverse with a girlfriend who has died. The NPCs will also remember things that happened during gameplay. For instance, if a character kills a monster, he'll boast about it in town.

That paragraph just seems amazing to me. The fact that every NPC has it's own memory of what has happened to it.

Oblivion already tried this. Quite frankly, the idealistic AI is still impossible. This AI build will end up being shallow.NobuoMusicMaker

Oblivion already tried this. Quite frankly, the idealistic AI is still impossible. This AI build will end up being shallow.NobuoMusicMaker

Have you ever said one positive thing about the Wii?

Oblivion already tried this. Quite frankly, the idealistic AI is still impossible. This AI build will end up being shallow.NobuoMusicMaker

I'm sure it largely depends on how integral it is to the actual game. In Oblivion it was not really a large part of the game so they didn't spend a lot of time working on it.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Oblivion already tried this. Quite frankly, the idealistic AI is still impossible. This AI build will end up being shallow.Firelore29

I'm sure it largely depends on how integral it is to the actual game. In Oblivion it was not really a large part of the game so they didn't spend a lot of time working on it.

Oh, they spent a loooott of time on it. They spent 3 events just touting the AI routines. How their AI will live life like normal people and act based on your actions.

This reminds me of Majora's Mask's NPCs.

And MM's NPCs were awesome.

:D I think I'll be getting this.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]Oblivion already tried this. Quite frankly, the idealistic AI is still impossible. This AI build will end up being shallow.NobuoMusicMaker

I'm sure it largely depends on how integral it is to the actual game. In Oblivion it was not really a large part of the game so they didn't spend a lot of time working on it.

Oh, they spent a loooott of time on it. They spent 3 events just touting the AI routines. How their AI will live life like normal people and act based on your actions.

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

[QUOTE="nintendofreak_2"]So it's like Home and the Sims...?Firelore29

It sound like it has monsters in it so it's probably not like Sims.

The third area is memory. Each NPC character will retain a record of things that happened in the past. Yasunaga gave the example of characters walking down a street that they used to traverse with a girlfriend who has died. The NPCs will also remember things that happened during gameplay. For instance, if a character kills a monster, he'll boast about it in town.

That paragraph just seems amazing to me. The fact that every NPC has it's own memory of what has happened to it.

The part about the NPC killing a monster then boasting about it is what got my attention. Seldom, if ever, do you see an NPC actually do things that effect the world around you. Most of the time they are passive participants, who only do things when you're around and thusly scripted to do so.

It would be somewhat amusing if there was some sorta great evil plauging a village, and if you didn't go and kill the monster yourself after awhile an NPC would do it instead. Would be pretty funny, especially if the NPC started to rub it in your face.

Despite all the talk of the life simulation and town growth, Kawaguchi closed off the interview with the revelation that the main game is something different. This mysterious area is where the player's direct action will come into play.

Specifics will be detailed at the Tokyo Game Show. We're hopeful that actual screenshots will follow.

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That part was important!! I thought people said 3rd Parties aren't allowed to show their stuff for Nintendo consoles at Tokyo Game Show :?

So its...The Sims?

Yeah....way cooler than Uncharted or heavenly sword.....

So its...The Sims?

Yeah....way cooler than Uncharted or heavenly sword.....

Bread_or_Decide

You didn't read it did you?

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Despite all the talk of the life simulation and town growth, Kawaguchi closed off the interview with the revelation that the main game is something different. This mysterious area is where the player's direct action will come into play.

Specifics will be detailed at the Tokyo Game Show. We're hopeful that actual screenshots will follow.

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That part was important!! I thought people said 3rd Parties aren't allowed to show their stuff for Nintendo consoles at Tokyo Game Show :?

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

Firelore29

Well either you're lying, you never saw a single preview or review, or they just plainly failed to have an outstanding AI.

The AI go about their routines but they stop by to talk and converse with people on their way, sometimes they ignore the other people, it depends on static numbers. You punch an NPC in the face enough times, they'll try to kill you. You punch the NPC in the face once, they'll remember it and another shot would make them go and kill you. This was an attempt to bring some community realism to the game with AI that actually act like people, but they don't really.

This game is sounding more like The Sims with concept heading towards what Oblivion was trying to do. Oblivion without the medieval fighting and adventuring. Sounds pretty bad to me.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

NobuoMusicMaker

Well either you're lying, you never saw a single preview or review, or they just plainly failed to have an outstanding AI.

The AI go about their routines but they stop by to talk and converse with people on their way, sometimes they ignore the other people, it depends on static numbers. You punch an NPC in the face enough times, they'll try to kill you. You punch the NPC in the face once, they'll remember it and another shot would make them go and kill you. This was an attempt to bring some community realism to the game with AI that actually act like people, but they don't really.

This game is sounding more like The Sims with concept heading towards what Oblivion was trying to do. Oblivion without the medieval fighting and adventuring. Sounds pretty bad to me.

I loved Oblivion yes it's a great game but I guess I simply didn't realize that was in the game. Of course I knew that if you hit a guy a few times he would try and kill me but that's basically the same way it is withmost other games.

Honestly it's way to early to say what this game is. There are not even any screens released for it. The only thing that can be said right now is that it has monsters, a community, and great AI on the NPCs.

[QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"][QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

Firelore29

Well either you're lying, you never saw a single preview or review, or they just plainly failed to have an outstanding AI.

The AI go about their routines but they stop by to talk and converse with people on their way, sometimes they ignore the other people, it depends on static numbers. You punch an NPC in the face enough times, they'll try to kill you. You punch the NPC in the face once, they'll remember it and another shot would make them go and kill you. This was an attempt to bring some community realism to the game with AI that actually act like people, but they don't really.

This game is sounding more like The Sims with concept heading towards what Oblivion was trying to do. Oblivion without the medieval fighting and adventuring. Sounds pretty bad to me.

I loved Oblivion yes it's a great game but I guess I simply didn't realize that was in the game. Of course I knew that if you hit a guy a few times he would try and kill me but that's basically the same way it is withmost other games.

Honestly it's way to early to say what this game is. There are not even any screens released for it. The only thing that can be said right now is that it has monsters, a community, and great AI on the NPCs.

And it's being made by the makers of Hotel Dusk, Harvest Moon, Final Fantasy XII, and Dragon Quest VIII so it can't be that bad, right? >_>

I read it... but what do you actually do? What's the jist of the game?

Great AI is nice and all... but uh.... What exactly is the point?

So, what do you do in the game? Kill NPC's girlfriends so you can talk to them about it later?Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]So, what do you do in the game? Kill NPC's girlfriends so you can talk to them about it later?helium_flash

Life Simulator with a little monsters and action/adventure thrown in.

interesting. sorta like a populous or sim city crossed with the sims.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

NobuoMusicMaker

Well either you're lying, you never saw a single preview or review, or they just plainly failed to have an outstanding AI.

The AI go about their routines but they stop by to talk and converse with people on their way, sometimes they ignore the other people, it depends on static numbers. You punch an NPC in the face enough times, they'll try to kill you. You punch the NPC in the face once, they'll remember it and another shot would make them go and kill you. This was an attempt to bring some community realism to the game with AI that actually act like people, but they don't really.

This game is sounding more like The Sims with concept heading towards what Oblivion was trying to do. Oblivion without the medieval fighting and adventuring. Sounds pretty bad to me.

On topic. This game sounds really interesting. And very advanced for a Wii game. So much for its lack of power.

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Again it depends on how integral it is to the game. In Oblivion you talk to people like 4 or 5 times max even if the AI is amazing you simply don't talk to them enough to even notice it. I beat that game twice and I didn't know that they even had that feature until 5 minutes ago. If it were more integral to the game though it could be much more interesting.

NobuoMusicMaker

Well either you're lying, you never saw a single preview or review, or they just plainly failed to have an outstanding AI.

The AI go about their routines but they stop by to talk and converse with people on their way, sometimes they ignore the other people, it depends on static numbers. You punch an NPC in the face enough times, they'll try to kill you. You punch the NPC in the face once, they'll remember it and another shot would make them go and kill you. This was an attempt to bring some community realism to the game with AI that actually act like people, but they don't really.

This game is sounding more like The Sims with concept heading towards what Oblivion was trying to do. Oblivion without the medieval fighting and adventuring. Sounds pretty bad to me.

in terms of just AI the Sims had much better AI than oblivion. the punching thing you mentioned isn't even difficult to do. it's hardly even real AI.