Pricey next gen consoles?

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Oh, didn't Nvidia say their next cards will be cheaper? I'll have a HBM variant though.

Console manufactures have several challenges:

1. The consoles need to be affordable. If it's more expensive then $500, (and even that is pushing it) adoption will be very low initially, which can be death sentence for a console.
2. The machines need to consistent in performance, since developers target a particular spec. You don't want to deal with silicon lotteries in a console, so every console chip will target the lowest common denominator for clock speeds.

I dunno why people keep complaining about this. It's a $400-$500 console and it's on par with the price and specs we seen so far. Just remember, you get what you pay for and if you know it, you will enjoy your purchase.

I’m expecting them to be $499 and if they prove to be as powerful as they are rumoured to be them I will be very satisfied with that price point.

I haven't paid under $500 for a console since the Dreamcast/original Xbox, its funny how there is millions upon millions playing on PC's worth twice as much as this and yet consoles are dead if they release for more than $500, are people in NA really that cheap?

In Australia we payed above $500 for the initial release of the XB1/PS4 with the PS4 being $549 & the XB1 $599. The X was $650. Maybe people in NA shouldn't be tight arses.

That is because a PC worth twice as much of a console you spent $500 on has AT LEAST twice as much performance as that console, is upgradable, backwards compatible with games going back to the 1980s, and you can do a heck of a lot more with.

@i_p_daily: $500 USD = $715 AUD. Aussie currency is shit. So, you claiming to not having paid less than $500 is like an American not paying less than $350. Apples to apples please.

Jack the game prices as well, introduce new shitty practices.

Sunny rainbows.

I think he made the conversion? The Xbox One released at AU$599, not 499$.

@ulfrinn:

Check amazon,ebay or pc world and see the price of a gaming pc advertised as a fortnite pc and you will soon see you don’t get the power you pay for,I’ll throw links up to anyone who wants to see

£250 for a brand new XB1X for comparison and yes people are buying the fortnite pc’s because despite the mith,not everyone can build their own pc,far from it

HAH

Yeah, but he was only thinking in Australian dollars terms. It still seems like the idea of exchange rates went over his head.

$599 AUD = $418 US.

A $500 console in the US, would cost $715 AUD .

If it's more than $500 they're going to be in trouble. The PS4 is still a beast of a console at $300. If you want to compel people to make the switch right away then the price needs to be in the sweet spot.

No i'm fully aware of the exchange rate, and know that a $500 US console means more over here, my point was that why is $500 a cut off point? why are people in NA not willing to shell out more than $500, why is that the magical number and anything over it is considered to be a point where consoles would die.

sub 30 fps
sub 1080p
7 year old tech

I understand the exchange rate, my point was we have been paying more than $500 for the last 2 gens, but yet the ceiling seems to be $399 and that $500 is to much for a lot of people in NA, and over that is a no, no.

Good lord, when did PC gamers get so insecure about their gaming habits? It's just embarrassing but entertaining 😂

You just know it. Starting a new console generation is expensive. This is a given Playstation 5 and Xbox series X are going to cost $499.99 at least. Sony may be a tiny bit cheaper. $450.00

Then an extra controller and a game or two. On-live subscription. I get 3 games on launch day so about $900.00 ish on day one.

Playstation 5 first then Xbox Series X later on.

I would like to see them launch at the same price point.

PS5: $499

XSX: $699 (will have a cheaper SKU release as well)

Well, there lies the problem.... Consoles are expected to be cheap and affordable for mass consumption. Console gamers want quality, but don't want to pay for it. So, as long as the price is low, the quality will suffer.

Sounds about right, MS don't have a choice if true. The expensive one alone is financial suicide.

If Lockhart is a thing then the cheaper next gen console will allow MS to come in at £500-600 for the ‘tower of power’if the cheaper version is £50-100 cheaper than the ps5(£450 imo)

E3 will clear things up

My last gaming PC which I built in 2013 for $600 had 2-4x the performance of a PS4, and I gave that away for my current system. That means that even with the last gen consoles you were getting less performance per dollar with consoles than you were getting with a built PC. And a PS4/XBO is purely for gaming while a PC, costing less for the performance you get, can do a heck of a lot more. And with most AAA titles having full controller support, PCs are taking over living room gaming as well.

The only hope consoles have at this point of competing is to be really cheap, and start providing more functionality.

Well, here's the effect of pricier gaming consoles.

@ulfrinn:

Shitty pc’s are being sold for far too much,especially if you can’t build your own just check pc worlds gaming pc’s that will back up my reply that a pc for twice the money doesn’t mean twice the power

@bluestars: DIY systems are only shitty if you make shitty choices. A child can build a PC so there's no excuse buying a pre build.

@fedor:

Bless

Remembering your login details has really drained your single figure brain cells HAH

You replies,or the outer worlds dumb reply option as they should be known HAH

It's IQ... Dude, at least learn.

@bluestars: Lol, you can't even insult without looking like a fool. You should look into a lawsuit against your school district, you may have a case.

600 dollars? That is a lot. I remember buying my current console for 400 or even 300 dollars.

Consoles are marketed as affordable and easy to use, something you can buy your kid on their birthday or for Christmas, or something you can buy for yourself after saving for a few paychecks.

Most people are not like us on Gamespot, most people don't really care about the specifics (visuals, TFLOPs, etc), as long as the console is affordable and plays games (in addition to operate apps for music, tv, and film), they will be happy. They'll sit around and play CoD or Halo or Destiny 2 for months and not really buy any other games.

If the price goes up, but the capabilities stay the same in terms of what the console can do, it is no longer a good deal. In fact, it might just be smarter to buy a PC because that can do a lot more and the cost difference is negligible. The amount of people that will buy an Xbox or PS no matter the cost is severely limited, definitely not enough to support a higher price of 600+ USD.

In terms of chip area size for PS5..

GPU NAVI 10 with 40 CU, 251 mm2

CPU Zen 2 with 8 cores, 70 mm2

Total: 321 mm2. TSMC's 7nm+ EUV 20 percent improve transistor density not yet applied.

PS5's I/O chip will be cutdown from PC Zen 2's I/O chip.

For comparsion

PS4 chip area size: 348 mm2

PS4 Pro chip area size: ~321 mm2

PS5: $399

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@ronvalencia: $499, deal with it.

Sure, and that's why I've been building my own for nearly two decades.

I don't have a 4K TV yet. So I would have to add that to the cost of the PS5 and XSX consoles. Conclusion is that I'm not getting these consoles for a while.

@i_p_daily: I have no problem paying more than $500. In fact I would actually prefer the consoles to be as pricey as possible (as long as we get what we are paying for). Personally I'd rather pay $600 or more if next gen consoles are truly pushing hard to be cutting edge, rather than them trying to find a way to sell them for $400-$500 and having to cut corners.

Ps5 600 euro Xbox series x 650 euro

@lundy86_4:

What came first brain cells or IQ?

the stupid flowing through you is of the special kind HAH

I’ll give you a clue you need cells to form an IQ

“Ya Clown shoe” HAH

You're the individual who couldn't discern the difference between "your," and "you're."

@ulfrinn:

And is why your twice the price,twice the power is wrong

Microsoft will position the Xbox Series X as a pricey premium console (which is why it has the desktop design) for enthusiasts, with the Series S or whatever they call it will be for the mass market.

Sony will fall for it and deliver a very expensive machine that will lose the mass market.

@lundy86_4:

Answer the question HAH

I’m waiting

The brightest individuals on the planet make grammar mistakes,you struggling with basics is real HAH

@bluestars: That question has no bearing on the fact that ya fucked up, lad. Ya goofed.

@lundy86_4:

Your damage control won’t work with me kid

Answer the question or suffer a humiliating LOSS

HAH

I’m waiting

@bluestars: It's not his fault you're ignorant. I told you, we can sue that school district of yours, they're the real culprits in the case of your lack of basic education.

@fedor:

You need brain cells to be educated

I get to own both of you now.

Happy days

Maybe you can help your special friend out by answering the question

Hah

@lundy86_4: I like this one more. :P

The silence is deafening

HAH

@bluestars: I'll start a go fund me for your litigation budget. We'll get justice for you yet.

@fedor:

Your struggling

HAH