Pokemon Sun/Moon: No Gyms, New Breeds For Old Pokemon, Z-Move Attacks, and More

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#1  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Okay, the new trailer for Pokemon Sun/Moon is out, and some highlights:

  • Old Pokemon are being given new typings for Alola native forms (so Vulpix becomes an Ice type, for example)
  • Z-Moves are superpowered, supercharged, mega evolved moves for each Pokemon type that can be unleashed once per battle
  • Gyms (and presumably the Elite 4) have apparently been replaced with something called the Island Challenge, which involves taking on the Guardian Pokemon of each island in the region
  • The game looks beautiful- it seems as though the new engine is really putting in the work.
  • EDIT: Also looks like HMs are gone and replaced by rideable Pokemon, but that's just me guessing based on what was shown.
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#2 mmmwksil
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Ice Vulpix. I am sold. Give me all the pokemans.

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#3  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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take my money nintendo

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#4 svaubel
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Interesting. Glad to see they are mixing up the old formula while trying to make the experience feel new. Must say I haven't been this excited for a new Pokémon game since Diamond/Pearl.

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#5 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@svaubel said:

Interesting. Glad to see they are mixing up the old formula while trying to make the experience feel new. Must say I haven't been this excited for a new Pokémon game since Diamond/Pearl.

Yeah, I've been feeling mostly neutral on Sun and Moon, but this trailer made my hype rise up exponentially lol

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#6 Bigboi500
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"no HMs" *jumps for joy*

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#7 illmatic87
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Yeah, I think they should move away from Gyms. I like that they had cool designs and that it was faithful to the cartoons, but as a game, it just made encounters predictable when you know what to expect from a 'Fire Gym'. Hopefully, the replacement isnt just a new coat of thematic paint to gyms and it works more like battles from things like the Battle Maison, the Battle Institute or the Battle Subway as those were fun and where the challenges are.

I'm not surprised if HMs are taken out. They've been moving away from HMs and adapting their use to side content or just to open up shortcuts instead of impeding progress; In X/Y the gym badge requirements just felt so tacked on for something underutilized. I still want HM mechanics to be in the game to access secrets and side grades, I've always liked to have a Pokemon built for 'adventuring' that I dont intend for use in gym/league battles/post game.

The tank control Rhyhorn riding in X & Y was tedious in spite of how short that section was, but this already looks alot better.

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#8 k--m--k
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I don't like the sound of this Z move.

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#9 adsparky
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I wonder if the alternate forms will be counted as new pokemon.

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Pokemon GO has got my wife thinking we need to get 2DS's... and I couldn't be more glad.

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#11 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@adsparky said:

I wonder if the alternate forms will be counted as new pokemon.

They're not, Pokemon has had these kinds of things since at least Diamond/Pearl. They're one Pokedex entry.

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#12 LegatoSkyheart
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NO GYMS!?

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#13 DJ-Lafleur
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Am I going to have to see those stupid dances every time I do a Z-attack?

Outside of that the game has my interest. Especially if they are getting rid of HMs.

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#14 drummerdave9099
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Exeggutor looks more like a giraffe than a palm tree lol. I will go into this with an open mind, I have a feeling I'm going to miss gyms though.

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#15  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@LegatoSkyheart said:

NO GYMS!?

It seems to be Orange Island style gyms, something akin to the Orange Islands and the Battle Frontier in the Anime most likely but at least their trying something different this time around. (and hopefully more challenging too)

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#16 Kruiz_Bathory
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That looks pretty cool. It makes me think about the possibility of buying a 2DS.

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#17 King_Dodongo
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The horse pokemon will be in my team.

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#18 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@Kruiz_Bathory said:

That looks pretty cool. It makes me think about the possibility of buying a 2DS.

Why don't you have one already?!? Go get one now!

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#19  Edited By Maroxad
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Great to hear they will ditch the gyms. This new concept of trials has a lot of potential too. Z Moves could make combat more predictable and could potentially put a dagger in a sweeper meta, allowing players to turn a losing situation into a winning one. Also,

Hope this guy comes with good defenses, because I am going to make him a wall.

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#20 cainetao11
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Z-MOVE ATTACKS?!!!!

They said, "keep dreaming caine........................its never going to happen"

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#21  Edited By Maroxad
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In regards to the edit.

Man I hope HM moves are gone. If so, it makes me wonder how much they listened to the fans when designing this game. If they let me ride around the world on a rapidash, that would be so great.

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#22 KungfuKitten
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@ProtossRushX said:

take my money nintendo

Nooo don't show me that stuff, man. I already have 2 3DS's.

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#23 Ross_the_Boss6
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I like the idea of removing gyms if the alternative is a challenge. I could never get into the MP side of these games, and the SP is too easy.

These changes seem good and the location is great, but those Pokemon designs...dear god.

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@LegatoSkyheart said:

NO GYMS!?

Plus some of this other info, the Classic Star Wars quote comes to mind:

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#25 Blabadon
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These games needed to change, but this one looks like shit.

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#26 Kruiz_Bathory
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@charizard1605: because of time, I have too many games I don't finish on too many systems :P It'd just collect dust.

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@Kruiz_Bathory said:

@charizard1605: because of time, I have too many games I don't finish on too many systems :P It'd just collect dust.

Well, get it now :P

@nintendoboy16 said:

Plus some of this other info, the Classic Star Wars quote comes to mind:

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Have you ever not been negative?

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#28  Edited By 93BlackHawk93
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YES! HMs are finally gone!
YES! HMs are finally gone!

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#29 fueled-system
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The starters final evolution leak seems legit now and the Grass one is by far the best. The fire one looks cool too but that water one is dreadful.

Anyway I like the different breeds but I'm still hesitant on this game being great.

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#30  Edited By 93BlackHawk93
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@illmatic87 said:

Yeah, I think they should move away from Gyms. I like that they had cool designs and that it was faithful to the cartoons,

Shouldn't it be reverse tho? The anime would have to be faithful to the games, since they were created first.

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#32  Edited By 93BlackHawk93
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@Maroxad said:

Z Moves could make combat more predictable and could potentially put a dagger in a sweeper meta, allowing players to turn a losing situation into a winning one.

I think that can be easily countered with a mode where both players' Z Moves are disabled.

@Blabadon said:

These games needed to change, but this one looks like shit.

Why? :(

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#33 caryslan2
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I'm not sure I get the changes in Pokemon types...

So, Vulpix native to this region are ice types and ones brought in from older games(which would be older regions) keep their old typing?

Or do imported Vulpix become dual types of both fire and ice? Do the Vulpix native to this region completely lose their fire typing?

I'm a bit confused about this.

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#34 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@caryslan2 said:

I'm not sure I get the changes in Pokemon types...

So, Vulpix native to this region are ice types and ones brought in from older games(which would be older regions) keep their old typing?

Or do imported Vulpix become dual types of both fire and ice? Do the Vulpix native to this region completely lose their fire typing?

I'm a bit confused about this.

Vulpix native to Alola are Ice types, imported ones retain their typing.

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#35 Maroxad
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@93BlackHawk93 said:
@Maroxad said:

Z Moves could make combat more predictable and could potentially put a dagger in a sweeper meta, allowing players to turn a losing situation into a winning one.

I think that can be easily countered with a mode where both players' Z Moves are disabled.

@Blabadon said:

These games needed to change, but this one looks like shit.

Why? :(

Crap, I meant less predictable.

Putting a dagger in the sweeper meta is a great move.

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#36 KungfuKitten
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Cool. This looks to be one of the most refreshing Pokemon games ever made. Maybe the first one I will really get into (mostly thanks to Brandon Jones and Pokemon Go).

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#37  Edited By speedfreak48t5p
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That new Exeggutor is quite something. lol

I would totally be down for no more hm's. Looking forward to how the island challenges work.

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#38 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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I am interested in Mega Evolutions, or the total lack thereof, in this game so far, however.

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Can't wait for this. Looks great.

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Will definitely make a good, surprise, Christmas present for my girls. May just need to get it for myself as well ;)

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#41 Maroxad
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@charizard1605 said:

I am interested in Mega Evolutions, or the total lack thereof, in this game so far, however.

I hope they ditched that mechanic. But I doubt they have :(

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#42 yokofox33
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Game looks great. Excited for the additions and lack of HMs hopefully. I can never say no to Pokemon.

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@Maroxad said:
@charizard1605 said:

I am interested in Mega Evolutions, or the total lack thereof, in this game so far, however.

I hope they ditched that mechanic. But I doubt they have :(

I actually liked Megas a lot. Would be bummed if they were gone.

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#44 Ballroompirate
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I'm gonna have to say that looked liked shit, no gyms, probably the worst pokemon designs ever, not a fan of the dancing and it makes the game look extremely cheesy. The exploration is the only decent thing that came out of that trailer.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Can't wait for this. Looks great.

Did you ever end up playing any of the (3)DS Pokemon games? What did you think?

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#46 LegatoSkyheart
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@davillain- said:
@LegatoSkyheart said:

NO GYMS!?

It seems to be Orange Island style gyms, something akin to the Orange Islands and the Battle Frontier in the Anime most likely but at least their trying something different this time around. (and hopefully more challenging too)

Personally I would love for those to be another Side Quest along with the Battle Frontier to keep the games more interesting (as well as add in the Card Game so we could get something like Triple Triad or Tetra Master in the game), but to get rid of Gyms COMPLETELY? Not only that, but getting Rid of the Elite 4??

Also wtf are you guys talking about Gyms not being too "Challenging"? The only reason why you don't seem to think they're Challenging now is because you know the match ups and you probably Overleveled for the Gym. I remember taking several tries in some Pokemon games because the Elite 4 were really difficult. They only got easy after fighting them so much to level up my Pokemon.

I have faith in Game Freak and I believe they know what they're doing, but seriously wtf?

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@charizard1605 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Can't wait for this. Looks great.

Did you ever end up playing any of the (3)DS Pokemon games? What did you think?

Not yet. I did pick up X though but the DS games are expensive as fvck bro. Have you seen how much Heartgold/Soulsilver go for now?

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May have reason to dust off my 3ds. Never got around to finishing my all eevee team.

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#49 Seabas989
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@davillain- said:
@LegatoSkyheart said:

NO GYMS!?

It seems to be Orange Island style gyms, something akin to the Orange Islands and the Battle Frontier in the Anime most likely but at least their trying something different this time around. (and hopefully more challenging too)

Damn I feel old.

Anyways NOW I am intrigued about this game and maybe I'll get it day 1.

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#50 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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@DJ-Lafleur: If the Mega evolution animations are any indication, they'll only play the trainer bit once every time you boot the game. And you'll still be able to turn off animations completely.