I'm always learning, it's key for me. I've learned a ton from the response to X from gamers and studios, trust me that this learning is impacting our future plans.
— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) April 12, 2018
In a future where you have so many big games that have huge playing communities behind them a future where you fragment that community via hardware feels like a challenge.
— Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) April 12, 2018
It's almost a given that the next Xbox will be BC with all Xbox One / Xbox One X games. I'm sure PS5 will be BC with PS4 also. I doubt Sony will put as much effort into BC as Microsoft has but also know that getting PS3 games to run on PS4 isn't as easy as getting Xbox 360 games to run on Xbox One family. PS3's CELL and Nvidia GPU aren't suitable for emulation on PS4 hardware.
It's almost a given that the next Xbox will be BC with all Xbox One / Xbox One X games. I'm sure PS5 will be BC with PS4 also. I doubt Sony will put as much effort into BC as Microsoft has but also know that getting PS3 games to run on PS4 isn't as easy as getting Xbox 360 games to run on Xbox One family. PS3's CELL and Nvidia GPU aren't suitable for emulation on PS4 hardware.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
Obviously he's talking about bringing back some old xbox franchises that they didn't feel their fanbase had any interest in and not the BC feature specifically.
These new games however won't been seen until the next generation.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
Is obvious that you totally lack knowledge on how emulation work.
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This is the recommended requirements for that emulator you talk,a 7870 or 660 to emulate a 7600GTX from 2005,and a 3.2GHZ quad core CPU with SSE4.
That hardware is actually stronger than the PS4.
Explain to me how the weaker Jaguar show on this picture will emulate cell which is actually outperforming it on this test done by ubisoft,oh and that was using 5 SPE,using 6 SPE would actually beat the xbox one jaguar as well.
Look how pathetic the xbox 360 cpu is,it beat by Cell by 300% margin,so its easy to emulate 360 games,on xbox one because the xbox one Jaguar has 3 times the performance of the 360 CPU,but that Jaguar can't emulate Cell at that speed.
PS Now is not backward compatibility silly lemming,is a rental service you may as well claim netflix is dvd backward compatibility while you are at it.
Remastering The Last of Us for PlayStation 4 isn't as simple as flipping a switch, according to Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann. Speaking in an interview with Edge, the creative director explained the developer "expected it to be hell, and it was hell."
You see, the PlayStation 3 is a tricky piece of hardware, one for which The Last of Us "was optimized on a binary level." And even with some of the best engineers in the industry working on the project, "just getting an image onscreen, even an inferior one with the shadows broken, lighting broken and with it crashing every 30 seconds… that took a long time."
SPE were used in such a diverse way on PS3,that making a 1 size fits all emulator would have been to hard and would have take too much time.
BC on PS2 and PS3 was hardware based which is why sony unlike MS didn't have to pay a licensing,if you emulate you pay a license.
Other thing since Cell was able to run GPU task unlike that Jaguar or the 360 CPU,those process would have to be move to the GPU side of the PS4,so no is not as easy as emulating the xbox 360.
@tormentos Again when you name call me a lemming that makes you look like a total dumb ass. When you add shit like this to your argument you look like a total fool and discredits your post.
Yes, I understand how all of that shit works and how powerful the cell was. The stats you brought up from emulation is from people creating an emulator that does not have near the engineers Sony would have and the know how of the actual hardware. I will always stand by the fact that Sony could do it if they wanted to. None of us will ever know if it is possible or not. It is just my opinion that Sony will not because why do they need to? They are the king and people buy the shit out of their remasters so why **** with BC. It is an easy revenue stream for them and people seem to enjoy the remasters. Just like Last of Us, why emulate when you can repackage the game, make it look better, and then charge people again for a game they may already own on another platform. Seems like a good play to me if you can get by with it.
If they can't do PS3, if it really was not possible. Why not do the PS2 or PS1? Is it not possible for the PS4 to handle those platforms either?
Oh gods... We do not want BC, we want NEW games!!!!
MS should do as Sony does; ignore BC, and keep bringing us gamers several AAA exclusives every month. Thats how you win the console war, not by forcing gamers to play old 360 rubbish on their new XboneX!
If I had a choice of either a console with proper BC like XB1 (and not just BC by itself but also 4k enhanced ones), or one that charges you each gen to re-buy the games or subscribe to a shitty streaming service, I'll take option A.
Oh gods... We do not want BC, we want NEW games!!!!
MS should do as Sony does; ignore BC, and keep bringing us gamers several AAA exclusives every month. Thats how you win the console war, not by forcing gamers to play old 360 rubbish on their new XboneX!
Could MS be more lost?
What planet do you live on to think this is happening?
It's almost a given that the next Xbox will be BC with all Xbox One / Xbox One X games. I'm sure PS5 will be BC with PS4 also. I doubt Sony will put as much effort into BC as Microsoft has but also know that getting PS3 games to run on PS4 isn't as easy as getting Xbox 360 games to run on Xbox One family. PS3's CELL and Nvidia GPU aren't suitable for emulation on PS4 hardware.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
exactly, i mean some of the selling points of ps4 were the last of us remastered, uncharted ndc and ratchet and clank
It's almost a given that the next Xbox will be BC with all Xbox One / Xbox One X games. I'm sure PS5 will be BC with PS4 also. I doubt Sony will put as much effort into BC as Microsoft has but also know that getting PS3 games to run on PS4 isn't as easy as getting Xbox 360 games to run on Xbox One family. PS3's CELL and Nvidia GPU aren't suitable for emulation on PS4 hardware.
At the hardware level, PS3's NVIDIA GeForce 7 type GPU is still Direct3D type GPU just like ATI's Xenos.
PS4's Direct3D type GPU is a superset over PS3's RSX
Direct3D API translates to NV's GeForce 7
Direct3D API translates to ATI's Xenos.
Hence, there's some design commonality between ATI and NV GPUs.
All Direct3D type GPUs has certain design assumptions built into them.
The entire CELL (1 PPE + 7 SPEs) is harder to emulate, but single PPE + 2 SPUs could be emulated at satisfactory speeds on Xbox One type hardware. Not all PS3 games used the entire CELL's power.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
Is obvious that you totally lack knowledge on how emulation work.
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This is the recommended requirements for that emulator you talk,a 7870 or 660 to emulate a 7600GTX from 2005,and a 3.2GHZ quad core CPU with SSE4.
That hardware is actually stronger than the PS4.
Explain to me how the weaker Jaguar show on this picture will emulate cell which is actually outperforming it on this test done by ubisoft,oh and that was using 5 SPE,using 6 SPE would actually beat the xbox one jaguar as well.
Look how pathetic the xbox 360 cpu is,it beat by Cell by 300% margin,so its easy to emulate 360 games,on xbox one because the xbox one Jaguar has 3 times the performance of the 360 CPU,but that Jaguar can't emulate Cell at that speed.
PS Now is not backward compatibility silly lemming,is a rental service you may as well claim netflix is dvd backward compatibility while you are at it.
Remastering The Last of Us for PlayStation 4 isn't as simple as flipping a switch, according to Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann. Speaking in an interview with Edge, the creative director explained the developer "expected it to be hell, and it was hell."
You see, the PlayStation 3 is a tricky piece of hardware, one for which The Last of Us "was optimized on a binary level." And even with some of the best engineers in the industry working on the project, "just getting an image onscreen, even an inferior one with the shadows broken, lighting broken and with it crashing every 30 seconds… that took a long time."
SPE were used in such a diverse way on PS3,that making a 1 size fits all emulator would have been to hard and would have take too much time.
BC on PS2 and PS3 was hardware based which is why sony unlike MS didn't have to pay a licensing,if you emulate you pay a license.
Other thing since Cell was able to run GPU task unlike that Jaguar or the 360 CPU,those process would have to be move to the GPU side of the PS4,so no is not as easy as emulating the xbox 360.
Not all PS3 games has used the full CELL's power, hence PS4 could have emulate PS3 games with lite CELL usage e.g. one PPE + two SPEs. PS4 Pro's stronger CPU has better result e.g. one PPE + three SPEs
PC's open source PS3 emulators doesn't match Rosetta near-full static translation technique i.e. note why Xbox 360 games needs to be installed on XBO's hard drive.
It's almost a given that the next Xbox will be BC with all Xbox One / Xbox One X games. I'm sure PS5 will be BC with PS4 also. I doubt Sony will put as much effort into BC as Microsoft has but also know that getting PS3 games to run on PS4 isn't as easy as getting Xbox 360 games to run on Xbox One family. PS3's CELL and Nvidia GPU aren't suitable for emulation on PS4 hardware.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
You're talking as though remasters on PS4 (they are also on Xbox One) is a bad thing. It absolutely is not.
Look how good RDR looks on Xbox One X with just a res boost and filtering and imagine how it would look on the same machine with a 'proper' remaster, new textures and character models etc.
BC is a good thing but given a choice I would rather have a remaster of old games than just have the PS3 version running on PS4 or the 360 version running on Xbox One and yes I consider a proper remaster worth paying for.
@tormentos: Hey bro welcome back! I know you folks got hit hard by the hurricane and had you and PR in my thoughts and charitable giving. Hope it all worked out ok dude.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
Is obvious that you totally lack knowledge on how emulation work.
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This is the recommended requirements for that emulator you talk,a 7870 or 660 to emulate a 7600GTX from 2005,and a 3.2GHZ quad core CPU with SSE4.
That hardware is actually stronger than the PS4.
Explain to me how the weaker Jaguar show on this picture will emulate cell which is actually outperforming it on this test done by ubisoft,oh and that was using 5 SPE,using 6 SPE would actually beat the xbox one jaguar as well.
Look how pathetic the xbox 360 cpu is,it beat by Cell by 300% margin,so its easy to emulate 360 games,on xbox one because the xbox one Jaguar has 3 times the performance of the 360 CPU,but that Jaguar can't emulate Cell at that speed.
PS Now is not backward compatibility silly lemming,is a rental service you may as well claim netflix is dvd backward compatibility while you are at it.
Remastering The Last of Us for PlayStation 4 isn't as simple as flipping a switch, according to Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann. Speaking in an interview with Edge, the creative director explained the developer "expected it to be hell, and it was hell."
You see, the PlayStation 3 is a tricky piece of hardware, one for which The Last of Us "was optimized on a binary level." And even with some of the best engineers in the industry working on the project, "just getting an image onscreen, even an inferior one with the shadows broken, lighting broken and with it crashing every 30 seconds… that took a long time."
SPE were used in such a diverse way on PS3,that making a 1 size fits all emulator would have been to hard and would have take too much time.
BC on PS2 and PS3 was hardware based which is why sony unlike MS didn't have to pay a licensing,if you emulate you pay a license.
Other thing since Cell was able to run GPU task unlike that Jaguar or the 360 CPU,those process would have to be move to the GPU side of the PS4,so no is not as easy as emulating the xbox 360.
This. This SO MUCH!
For some reason people forget that to do emulation on PS, Sony usually just includes the hardware from the previous Gen to help in this process. With the PS3's Cell architecture, that threw a HUGE wrench in BC on PlayStation. MS has been investing in BC software emulation for YEARS now. They've been building their current platform with all that in mind so that their games can be emulated on general PC architecture, current Xbox hardware, and future hardware, all to serve the proposed "Windows Anywhere" vision they laid out YEARS ago.
I think it is a given that Sony and MS will both work to make future console BC a major sticking point in the future, but there is no doubt that MS is WAY ahead of Sony on this front.
@OniLordAsmodeus: Sony probably doesn't have the expertise to do it. Or it'd be so time consuming and costly for them, it's probably not worth it in their eyes. Anyway, time will tell.
Please stop with this false narrative bullshit. Sony damn well could emulate the PS3 just fine. Hell people already have emulators on PC that run PS3 games and they don't have near the know how about the hardware or access like Sony does. The PS4 and Xbox are just shitty PCs running propitiatory OSes. The Xbox 360 ran a RISC based CPU and they are emulating all of that shit just fine over to X86 so please stop with the Sony couldn't do it bullshit. They like milking their fans with PS Now and rereleased games. People are buying them so it is just more cash flow for them.
That is what you get when you are the king. :P
Is obvious that you totally lack knowledge on how emulation work.
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This is the recommended requirements for that emulator you talk,a 7870 or 660 to emulate a 7600GTX from 2005,and a 3.2GHZ quad core CPU with SSE4.
That hardware is actually stronger than the PS4.
Explain to me how the weaker Jaguar show on this picture will emulate cell which is actually outperforming it on this test done by ubisoft,oh and that was using 5 SPE,using 6 SPE would actually beat the xbox one jaguar as well.
Look how pathetic the xbox 360 cpu is,it beat by Cell by 300% margin,so its easy to emulate 360 games,on xbox one because the xbox one Jaguar has 3 times the performance of the 360 CPU,but that Jaguar can't emulate Cell at that speed.
PS Now is not backward compatibility silly lemming,is a rental service you may as well claim netflix is dvd backward compatibility while you are at it.
Remastering The Last of Us for PlayStation 4 isn't as simple as flipping a switch, according to Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann. Speaking in an interview with Edge, the creative director explained the developer "expected it to be hell, and it was hell."
You see, the PlayStation 3 is a tricky piece of hardware, one for which The Last of Us "was optimized on a binary level." And even with some of the best engineers in the industry working on the project, "just getting an image onscreen, even an inferior one with the shadows broken, lighting broken and with it crashing every 30 seconds… that took a long time."
SPE were used in such a diverse way on PS3,that making a 1 size fits all emulator would have been to hard and would have take too much time.
BC on PS2 and PS3 was hardware based which is why sony unlike MS didn't have to pay a licensing,if you emulate you pay a license.
Other thing since Cell was able to run GPU task unlike that Jaguar or the 360 CPU,those process would have to be move to the GPU side of the PS4,so no is not as easy as emulating the xbox 360.
SPE's GPU abilities are gather instructions which X86 CPU already has a form of it e.g. LEA instructions with loaded data elements.
@tormentos Again when you name call me a lemming that makes you look like a total dumb ass. When you add shit like this to your argument you look like a total fool and discredits your post.
Yes, I understand how all of that shit works and how powerful the cell was. The stats you brought up from emulation is from people creating an emulator that does not have near the engineers Sony would have and the know how of the actual hardware. I will always stand by the fact that Sony could do it if they wanted to. None of us will ever know if it is possible or not. It is just my opinion that Sony will not because why do they need to? They are the king and people buy the shit out of their remasters so why **** with BC. It is an easy revenue stream for them and people seem to enjoy the remasters. Just like Last of Us, why emulate when you can repackage the game, make it look better, and then charge people again for a game they may already own on another platform. Seems like a good play to me if you can get by with it.
If they can't do PS3, if it really was not possible. Why not do the PS2 or PS1? Is it not possible for the PS4 to handle those platforms either?
NO you should stop the bullshit,every time some one say something about the xbox one you get highyly anal about it,yet some one say something about the PS4 and you don't get like that,is not me is you lemming.
Your post are here and i can quote quite a few of your pro xbox meltdowns.
That stat i posted there is from Ubisoft not from the emulator makers,it show how much dancers each CPU could handle and how the many GPU could handle is you see,it clearly show Cell actually outperforming the Jaguar inside the PS4,how can you emulate Cell with a CPU that can't even beat Cell to begin with in compute power.?
Yes i am sure they could probably make a PS2 emulator,in fact there were rumors that they did had a working one on PS3,and PS1 even easier,but if you look MS BC was only 360 first then they added some xbox games,is not like MS can't emulate the OG xbox as well from the get go yet they didn't either.
Non had backward compatibility in mind when this generation started,even that MS could have done it far easier than sony,the 360 use a ATI (amd) GPU and the xenon CPU was easy to emulate,BC was an afterthought which is why it doesn't work with all games.
@cainetao11 said:
@tormentos: Hey bro welcome back! I know you folks got hit hard by the hurricane and had you and PR in my thoughts and charitable giving. Hope it all worked out ok dude.
Thanks bro starting post a little more,work is never ending,we have ships coming everyday this week alone i worked 6 days and took the day off today. I was thinking of moving to Virginia,but postponed it for now to much work.
Thanks again bro for your concern. :)
@ronvalencia said:
SPE's GPU abilities are gather instructions which X86 CPU already has a form of it e.g. LEA instructions with loaded data elements.
Should I repost Swiftshader example again?
What the hell are you crying about this time?
This is simple that Jaguar inside the PS4 Can't emulate Cell is just to shitty slow and weak,and Ubisoft prove it,so unless you have a chart showing that Jaguar emulating Cell i say you have nothing,don't derail my argument.
@OniLordAsmodeus: Sony probably doesn't have the expertise to do it. Or it'd be so time consuming and costly for them, it's probably not worth it in their eyes. Anyway, time will tell.
Nah. Sony can invest in whatever they want, and it is clear that they (and many of there supporters) don't feel BC is worth the investment. It is a choice they have made for better or worse.
Objectively today, Sony is announcing and releasing new IPs, where MS is making announcements about BC titles. The primary focuses of the companies are pretty clear.
Thank you, Phil, under your direction Tons of value added services came to X1X and all for free. You da man especially if you deliver a phenom E3 which I'm certain you will.
@tormentos Again when you name call me a lemming that makes you look like a total dumb ass. When you add shit like this to your argument you look like a total fool and discredits your post.
Yes, I understand how all of that shit works and how powerful the cell was. The stats you brought up from emulation is from people creating an emulator that does not have near the engineers Sony would have and the know how of the actual hardware. I will always stand by the fact that Sony could do it if they wanted to. None of us will ever know if it is possible or not. It is just my opinion that Sony will not because why do they need to? They are the king and people buy the shit out of their remasters so why **** with BC. It is an easy revenue stream for them and people seem to enjoy the remasters. Just like Last of Us, why emulate when you can repackage the game, make it look better, and then charge people again for a game they may already own on another platform. Seems like a good play to me if you can get by with it.
If they can't do PS3, if it really was not possible. Why not do the PS2 or PS1? Is it not possible for the PS4 to handle those platforms either?
NO you should stop the bullshit,every time some one say something about the xbox one you get highyly anal about it,yet some one say something about the PS4 and you don't get like that,is not me is you lemming.
Your post are here and i can quote quite a few of your pro xbox meltdowns.
That stat i posted there is from Ubisoft not from the emulator makers,it show how much dancers each CPU could handle and how the many GPU could handle is you see,it clearly show Cell actually outperforming the Jaguar inside the PS4,how can you emulate Cell with a CPU that can't even beat Cell to begin with in compute power.?
Yes i am sure they could probably make a PS2 emulator,in fact there were rumors that they did had a working one on PS3,and PS1 even easier,but if you look MS BC was only 360 first then they added some xbox games,is not like MS can't emulate the OG xbox as well from the get go yet they didn't either.
Non had backward compatibility in mind when this generation started,even that MS could have done it far easier than sony,the 360 use a ATI (amd) GPU and the xenon CPU was easy to emulate,BC was an afterthought which is why it doesn't work with all games.
@cainetao11 said:
@tormentos: Hey bro welcome back! I know you folks got hit hard by the hurricane and had you and PR in my thoughts and charitable giving. Hope it all worked out ok dude.
Thanks bro starting post a little more,work is never ending,we have ships coming everyday this week alone i worked 6 days and took the day off today. I was thinking of moving to Virginia,but postponed it for now to much work.
Thanks again bro for your concern. :)
@ronvalencia said:
SPE's GPU abilities are gather instructions which X86 CPU already has a form of it e.g. LEA instructions with loaded data elements.
Should I repost Swiftshader example again?
What the hell are you crying about this time?
This is simple that Jaguar inside the PS4 Can't emulate Cell is just to shitty slow and weak,and Ubisoft prove it,so unless you have a chart showing that Jaguar emulating Cell i say you have nothing,don't derail my argument.
You claimed X86 CPU can't do GPU work. CELL's SPE is just Altivec kitbash with enforced local memory paging.
Swiftshader is multi-threading Direct3D9c software renderer that respect cache boundaries (set in config file).
SPE's gather instruction is only at local memory level. I know PowerPC Altivec. SPE doesn't have fix function GPU hardware functions.
On modern GPUs, gather instruction is at register memory storage level (hyper-threading registers level)
Jaguar 8 core at 1.6Ghz has either ~100 GFLOPS FP32 or ~200 GFLOPS FP16 (half float, rapid pack math ala Vega).
SPE's 128bit SIMD doesn't have 8 element packed FP16 (half float) feature i.e. stuck at quad element packed FP32/INT16 or 8 element packed INT16. SPE can't increase it's FLOPS with FP16.
Jaguar has A+B and A x B without penalty i.e. executes in parallel
SPE's A+B and A x B has 6 cycle penalty. Handles A x B + C without penalty aka FMA.
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MS were over confident going into this gen Sony have always had the install base once ms messed up with the announcement of the Xbox one Sony capitalized and never looked back.
MS were over confident going into this gen Sony have always had the install base once ms messed up with the announcement of the Xbox one Sony capitalized and never looked back.
and I would LOVE to see the numbers on how many people actually use their Xbox for sports, TV and Twitter. I bet its really low
You claimed X86 CPU can't do GPU work. CELL's SPE is just Altivec kitbash with enforced local memory paging.
Swiftshader is multi-threading Direct3D9c software renderer that respect cache boundaries (set in config file).
SPE's gather instruction is only at local memory level. I know PowerPC Altivec. SPE doesn't have fix function GPU hardware functions.
On modern GPUs, gather instruction is at register memory storage level (hyper-threading registers level)
Jaguar 8 core at 1.6Ghz has either ~100 GFLOPS FP32 or ~200 GFLOPS FP16 (half float, rapid pack math ala Vega).
SPE's 128bit SIMD doesn't have 8 element packed FP16 (half float) feature i.e. stuck at quad element packed FP32/INT16 or 8 element packed INT16. SPE can't increase it's FLOPS with FP16.
Jaguar has A+B and A x B without penalty i.e. executes in parallel
SPE's A+B and A x B has 6 cycle penalty. Handles A x B + C without penalty aka FMA.
Plenty of arithmetic instructions in 1 cycle latency!
Not to the point SPE can and it is a FACT unless you are talking about a APU like Intel CPU with integrated graphics or AMD versions as well.
That was the reason why Folding home was so good on PS3 vs PC CPU.
Flops mean total shit when you are talking about different architectures so don't even dare,Nvidia vs AMD has prove that for years.
That jaguar inside the PS4 can't emulate Cell,emulation requires much more power than the jaguar has,emulating the weak xenon was another 2 cents,that jaguar has more than 3 times the xbox 360 cpu performance so it can emulate it.
Imagine having your console flop so hard. that the main plan for the future is to make a new console play the games of your only successful console.
They should just re-release the Xbox 360 and say look we have already sold 80 million at launch, Sony BTFO.
That is my biggest problem with it,lemmings last gen were enjoy movies and music more on xbox live than games,and Kinect sold record breaking,yeah fast forward to this generation,MS gave lemmings just that a Kinect continuation and a weak console that was movie and tv oriented,it wasn't a casualty MS was giving lemmings what they were asking for.
Lemmings got what they asked for,the watched more movies than play games on xbox 360,then they bought kinect in big numbers,and MS deliver with the xbox one what they wanted.
Fast forward to 2018 now MS is focusing in Backward compatibility 5 years after the release of the xbox one,and now is making comments on how the response of xbox fans to BC is been heard and will be answer..
When then next xbox release with few games with BC with 360 and xbox one,you know why.
BC is good at the start of the generation were games are scarce but 5 years into the gen that shit should not even been be a topic.
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