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#1  Edited By loe12k
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I have not watched the video i will later but i said post it for people who got time!

Huge interview below by the Guardian. More information found here https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/27/project-scorpio-xbox-chief-microsoft-plans-console?CMP=share_btn_tw

According to Spencer a key aim has been to give developers the options to support Scorpio the way they want – and Microsoft is therefore guarded about setting performance targets. However, in a recent interview with Gamasutra, Spencer mentioned a specific benchmark for Scorpio titles: native 4K resolution, 30 frames-per-second. How did that figure come about? “We looked at games on Xbox One that were running at 30-frames-per-second in 1080p, or sometimes 900p, and we said, ‘If you’re running at 1080 30 on Xbox, we want to make sure that we give you the hardware capability to run at 30 in 4K’,” he says. “The only reason I focused on 30fps is because we have a lot of those on Xbox One.

“But we’re not dictating that that’s what developers do. They can make other decisions with resolution and framerate, and the Forza stuff we have shown was running at 60fps, 4K. You’ll have people who do that, and you’ll have people who’ll make decisions to do less than a native 4K frame buffer.”

When developers come into the labs and port their engines over to Scorpio, we say, ‘Hey, start with your high-end PC settings, and then see what happens’. We’ve been really pleasantly surprised by the results, because you don’t know what’s gonna happen when you start running third-party engines.”

Spencer won’t be drawn on the ratio of Xbox developers who are specifically targeting Scorpio-level capabilities, v the number who simply plan to add the most rudimentary support for the hardware in their forthcoming releases. But he’s realistic about it. “Teams will target big market segments,” he says. “The largest installed base will be Xbox One, for us, right, and they’re gonna want to sell to that. The difference, though, is that it’s the Scorpio customer that buys the most games. So teams may say ‘Hey, I’m just gonna do an Xbox One version of the game, and it’ll run better in Scorpio but I’m not gonna do anything specific to take advantage of Scorpio beyond just what I get from CPU and GPU,’ and you’ll have other teams that say, ‘I know my customer is the Scorpio customer’. I always want to give the tools to the creatives and let them make the decisions.”

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#2 silversix_
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Its their most optimized engine. We get it, scorpio can handle forza, a racing game in 4k/60. What about actual AAA games that aren't racing and fighting games? Too difficult?

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@silversix_ said:

Its their most optimized engine. We get it, scorpio can handle forza, a racing game in 4k/60. What about actual AAA games that aren't racing and fighting games? Too difficult?

Forza Horizon is only 1080p 30fps open world racing game on xbox one.

4k 60fps is even more impressive than Forza apex at 4k 60fps.

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ZOMG !!! Poo cows...

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@loe12k said:
@silversix_ said:

Its their most optimized engine. We get it, scorpio can handle forza, a racing game in 4k/60. What about actual AAA games that aren't racing and fighting games? Too difficult?

Forza Horizon is only 1080p 30fps open world racing game on xbox one.

4k 60fps is even more impressive than Forza apex at 4k 60fps.

Why are you comparing it to an X1? Comparing it to a weakling to show Scorpio's superiority isn't a good idea.

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#6 Zero_epyon
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Already prepping for checkerboarding. It's expected though. At least for me.

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#7 Pedro
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4k and hdr is overrated.

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#8 Manticored
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@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

Yeah so is 60 FPS, let's go back to the N64 days of 20 FPS as a standard.

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#9 Juub1990
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Well it's cool but what does it really change? Forza Horizon 3 on X1 from what I hear is good looking and on PC 60fps/4K has been possible from day 1.

Scorpio seems to be aimed at graphics/resolution enthusiasts but those guys are mostly on PC. It's gonna attract a small crowd but I doubt it makes a significant difference.

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#10 kvally
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@silversix_ said:
@loe12k said:
@silversix_ said:

Its their most optimized engine. We get it, scorpio can handle forza, a racing game in 4k/60. What about actual AAA games that aren't racing and fighting games? Too difficult?

Forza Horizon is only 1080p 30fps open world racing game on xbox one.

4k 60fps is even more impressive than Forza apex at 4k 60fps.

Why are you comparing it to an X1? Comparing it to a weakling to show Scorpio's superiority isn't a good idea.

Well if you are looking for AAA, then lets look at Gears of War 4, which on Xbox One is 1080p and 30fps in campaign, and 1080p and 60fps in multiplayer. On PC, Gears of War 4 is 4K and 60fps. So the question you are asking, will Gears of War 4 be native 4K on Scorpio at 30fps (or 60 fps). It is an AAA title, and Microsoft has confirmed that all first party games will be 4K, and their first party games are AAA, so I suspect Forza isn't the only one that is showing off the goods.

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"The Forza stuff we have shown" and Forza Horizon 3 are not the same thing. They showed a ForzaTech demo based on the early dev kit code for Forza 6 and ported it to Scorpio. That was 4K/60, yes. But that is not Forza Horizon 3 which runs at 30fps while Forza 6 ran at 60.

Thread title is misleading.

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#12 kvally
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@SecretPolice said:

ZOMG !!! Poo cows...

:P

Dude, you make me laugh out loud in real life with your gifs. Love it.

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@goldenelementxl said:

"The Forza stuff we have shown" and Forza Horizon 3 are not the same thing. They showed a ForzaTech demo based on the early dev kit code for Forza 6 and ported it to Scorpio. That was 4K/60, yes. But that is not Forza Horizon 3 which runs at 30fps while Forza 6 ran at 60.

Thread title is misleading.

The Guardian reporter who interviewed Phil Spencer was wrong? He said FH3 was running at 4k 60fps. If we hear differently i will change the title.

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@manticored said:
@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

Yeah so is 60 FPS, let's go back to the N64 days of 20 FPS as a standard.

LOL. You could have argued resolution but you are argument was so weak you sidetrack to something that was not remotely implied. Try harder next time.

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#15 Chutebox
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Not really surprising when GT is doing it via checkboard

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#16  Edited By SecretPolice  Online
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@kvally:

Always aim to please and lighten the mood a bit since some just take a gaming forum way too serial. Gaming is suppose to be about fun. :D

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@Chutebox said:

Not really surprising when GT is doing it via checkboard

Haha best line today i read lol

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#18 Zero_epyon
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Nothing in this article states that Forza Horizon 3 runs at 4K/60

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@loe12k: glad you find humor in it?

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#20 Antwan3K
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Just to keep expectations in check here, unless I'm missing something, I didn't see anything in the linked content where Phil Spencer said Forza Horizon 3 will be native 4K/60fps..

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#21  Edited By Dakur
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@goldenelementxl said:

"The Forza stuff we have shown" and Forza Horizon 3 are not the same thing. They showed a ForzaTech demo based on the early dev kit code for Forza 6 and ported it to Scorpio. That was 4K/60, yes. But that is not Forza Horizon 3 which runs at 30fps while Forza 6 ran at 60.

Thread title is misleading.

Wow TC is incapable of making a thread without lying lol.

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#22 Chutebox
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@Zero_epyon: Ya, just noticed that. TC lying again?

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@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

Let me guess, we should all boycott it!

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#24  Edited By loe12k
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@Chutebox said:

@loe12k: glad you find humor in it?

You don't? Just think about you wrote.

Do you know GT is a motorsport racing game? FH3 is open world its more demanding performance wise. 4K native vs Checkboarding be serious. I laughed it all good.

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#25 Zero_epyon
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@Chutebox said:

@Zero_epyon: Ya, just noticed that. TC lying again?

At best it's going t be native 4K/30 since it was a 1080p/30 game

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#26 Chutebox
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@loe12k: Ok? The point, dumbass, was that Scorpio is much stronger so it's expected. But I guess the simple things must be explained to you.

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#27  Edited By Primorandomguy
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Eh decent interview, but not a whole lot of new info. The wait for E3 is taking too long lol.

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#28 JtoThaMtoThaP
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I can't get a steady 60fps at 4K with a 1080/i7 ( maxed out ) so they must lower the quality quite a bit.

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@Zero_epyon said:

Already prepping for checkerboarding. It's expected though. At least for me.

All hardware has limits, the difference is Scorpio has higher limits than PS4 Pro.

Missing 60 hz target is not big deal with FreeSync 2 and HDMI 2.1 VRR support.

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@loe12k said:
@goldenelementxl said:

"The Forza stuff we have shown" and Forza Horizon 3 are not the same thing. They showed a ForzaTech demo based on the early dev kit code for Forza 6 and ported it to Scorpio. That was 4K/60, yes. But that is not Forza Horizon 3 which runs at 30fps while Forza 6 ran at 60.

Thread title is misleading.

The Guardian reporter who interviewed Phil Spencer was wrong? He said FH3 was running at 4k 60fps. If we hear differently i will change the title.

The only mention of 4K/60 is your link is to the digital foundry video from earlier this month. Richard was shown a "ForzaTech" demo. The only mention in that article of frame rates and resolutions is The Guardian referring to a Gamasutra article...


The first box shows you these quotes and figures don't come from the Guardian interview, and the second shows "the Forza stuff" that links to the digital foundry article that discusses ForzaTech and not Forza Horizon 3.

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@goldenelementxl said:

"The Forza stuff we have shown" and Forza Horizon 3 are not the same thing. They showed a ForzaTech demo based on the early dev kit code for Forza 6 and ported it to Scorpio. That was 4K/60, yes. But that is not Forza Horizon 3 which runs at 30fps while Forza 6 ran at 60.

Thread title is misleading.

Indeed

SAD!

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Amazing, truly phenomenal.

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@Pedro: Are you even getting the Scorpio?

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@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

I have similar feelings. There are very nice, don't get me wrong. But I don't sit close enough to my TV to notice a big bump in resolution. I'm pretty happy w/ 1080p, but would love to see better/more stable frame rates!

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#35  Edited By Xabiss
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I like how Phil said, don't preorder our system just yet until you see the games. It is always about the games. I have always liked this guy and think he is doing some good for Microsoft. Can't really blame this guy for the blunder at the start of Xbox One, but he seems to be doing a great job getting Xbox back on line after the blunder.

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#36  Edited By PAL360
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4x the resolution and twice the framerate in an already beautiful game. That's really impressive!

As a PS4 Pro only owner, o hope Sony forgets the 4K and focus on 1080p. Scorpio will probably run most games at 4K or 2160p, so if Sony tries to match those resolutions in the same games, framerates at low 20s are to be expected.

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@Xabiss said:

I like how Phil said, don't preorder out system just yet until you see the games. It is always about the games. I have always liked this guy and think he is doing some good for Microsoft. Can't really blame this guy for the blunder at the start of Xbox One, but he seems to be doing a great job getting Xbox back on line after the blunder.

He's brimming with confidence but yet he...

Good sign. Mighty Scorpio indeed. :D

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@primorandomguy said:

@Pedro: Are you even getting the Scorpio?

Yep.

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#39 Chutebox
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He hasnt changed the title yet

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#40  Edited By Primorandomguy
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@Pedro: Then you better care about 4K!

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#41 Pedro
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@boycie said:
@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

Let me guess, we should all boycott it!

Strange, no where did I imply or suggest what you or anyone should do.

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#42 Pedro
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@shellcase86 said:
@Pedro said:

4k and hdr is overrated.

I have similar feelings. There are very nice, don't get me wrong. But I don't sit close enough to my TV to notice a big bump in resolution. I'm pretty happy w/ 1080p, but would love to see better/more stable frame rates!

That will come automatically based on what has been revealed.

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#43  Edited By mowgly1
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@loe12k:

Forza Horizon 3 is NOT 4k/60. Headline of the thread is misleading. Xbone fans trying to spin things so hard lately.

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#44  Edited By loe12k
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@mowgly1 said:

@loe12k:

Forza Horizon 3 is NOT 4k/60. Headline of the thread is misleading.

It not misleading. Click the link what does it say at the end of the picture?

Edit: page got updated since i changed it now.

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#45 Pedro
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@loe12k said:
@mowgly1 said:

@loe12k:

Forza Horizon 3 is NOT 4k/60. Headline of the thread is misleading.

It not misleading. Click the link what does it say at the end of the picture?

Edit: page got updated since i changed it now.

It took you long enough.

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#46 loe12k
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@Pedro said:
@loe12k said:
@mowgly1 said:

@loe12k:

Forza Horizon 3 is NOT 4k/60. Headline of the thread is misleading.

It not misleading. Click the link what does it say at the end of the picture?

Edit: page got updated since i changed it now.

It took you long enough.

I was doing something else i don't be staring at this page all day. I said ages ago i update the headline if the original story was wrong.

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@loe12k said:

I was doing something else i don't be staring at this page all day. I said ages ago i update the headline if the original story was wrong.

You cannot be doing something else while you are on the forums. This is your day job. :)

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@Pedro said:
@loe12k said:

I was doing something else i don't be staring at this page all day. I said ages ago i update the headline if the original story was wrong.

You cannot be doing something else while you are on the forums. This is your day job. :)

I can multitask. Takes me just a minute or less to post a message with 4 lines or more.

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@loe12k said:
@Pedro said:
@loe12k said:

I was doing something else i don't be staring at this page all day. I said ages ago i update the headline if the original story was wrong.

You cannot be doing something else while you are on the forums. This is your day job. :)

I can multitask. Takes me just a minute or less to post a message with 4 lines or more.

So you don't deny this is your day job!?

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@loe12k said:
@Pedro said:
@loe12k said:

I was doing something else i don't be staring at this page all day. I said ages ago i update the headline if the original story was wrong.

You cannot be doing something else while you are on the forums. This is your day job. :)

I can multitask. Takes me just a minute or less to post a message with 4 lines or more.

You clearly can't since you can't post a message without lying several times on it. Maybe try focusing on one task at a time.