@The_Last_Ride
Yeah I never did quite get that, why is he making more noise than somebody who actually is working on games right about now....
Maybe he just needs a hug.
Isn't this the dumbass that cancelled his game and left the industry because the media hurt his wittle feelings?
Its not that simple, what the public said about him was beyond reproach -- just horrid things in every way. The reason because he delayed his game in order to finish it and because he cancelled Fez 2 because of what terrible things gamers said about him.
i wonder how 'complete' fez 2 was in order for him to cancel it in a huff.
i mean, it's a huge investment of time, effort and energy - video game production. i reckon the game was probably barely past the conceptual stage, otherwise who's going to toss away that amount of work because someone on the internet behaved like a person on the internet?
surely if the game was at something like alpha/beta testing and debugging stage, he wouldn't go tossing aside a project that far into completion.
Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.
Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?
I think there is some merit to what he is saying but it's a really grey area. One question that should be asked is whether the actual use of lets plays reduce sales for games and I don't think there is any evidence of that. Some games like Goat Simulator see huge sales boosts when somebody like pewdiepie plays with it.
I've never heard anyone ever say that they lost sales due to youtube. But gaining sales seems to be very common
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/219122/Is_YouTube_killing_the_traditional_games_press.php
@The_Last_Ride
Yeah I never did quite get that, why is he making more noise than somebody who actually is working on games right about now....
Maybe he just needs a hug.
He needs to go away. I get that he put a lot of effort into Fez, but seriously, the guy is just stupid
He came back to Twitter for like a day, then took down his profile again.
While I love the idea of video makers using gameplay to make cool videos (like JonTron, The Completionist, and Two Best Friends Play do), I have a problem with people making Let's Plays without any unique commentary or post-production editing, and claiming they have full rights to monetize the video. Even worse are those "it's free advertising" people, because that's a huge load. Let's face it: these "free advertising" preachers are not making these videos solely out of love for the game makers. If they were, they wouldn't care if they were making money or not; they'd do it for free, because that's free advertising.
The reason the "free advertising" argument is pushed is because the makers are downright lying about why they want to have the right to make videos with gameplay. Sure, you are advertising the game, but they need to stop pretending like they're doing this purely out of the goodness of their heart. They want a cut.
That being said, Phil has zero social skills and I think that people who make Youtube videos that actually require serious editing, post-production, and effort, should not have to pay a developer every cent they earn from the video.
@The_Last_Ride
Indeed.... But we're not exactly completely innocent in this matter.... So when Are we gona take responsibilty aswel ?
How are we not innocent. We bought his game, he made money. Markus Beer asked him about the infamous Xbox indie program and he refused to answer. So Markus Beer called him out and said we deserved an answer, he told Beer to **** off and die
Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.
Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?
i agree. your average person today is pretty lazy, especially with their mind, they'll grab a calculator to work out 25 times 5.
maybe he just couldn't handle putting out another game, only for it to be criticised?
who knows. one thing's for sure, i can't accept he took that decision seriously if any real progress had been made on the game.
and to answer your oil rig question, yes i can imagine it, but it's not my sexiest imagination.
@The_Last_Ride
Indeed.... But we're not exactly completely innocent in this matter.... So when Are we gona take responsibilty aswel ?
How are we not innocent. We bought his game, he made money. Markus Beer asked him about the infamous Xbox indie program and he refused to answer. So Markus Beer called him out and said we deserved an answer, he told Beer to **** off and die
He reaped what he sowed, I will never buy a game made by Fish but I will pirate it and share it. **** Fish.
I don't necessarily disagree with him. If the video makes monetary profit based off of the reaction to an asset created by someone else, then they probably deserve compensation. However, if the reaction is artificially created inside the gameworld (like Minecraft or Halo Machinima) then I don't think any compensation would be necessary. It's a case by case basis, and for a game like Fez, I definitely think it falls into the former category.
I wouldn't say "huge cut" is fair though.
Probably looking for an excuse not to finish it,. As this generation is full of self entitled lazy little shits unwilling to put in graft.
Can you imagine an asshole like this working on a oil rig 12 hours a day?
i agree. your average person today is pretty lazy, especially with their mind, they'll grab a calculator to work out 25 times 5.
maybe he just couldn't handle putting out another game, only for it to be criticised?
who knows. one thing's for sure, i can't accept he took that decision seriously if any real progress had been made on the game.
and to answer your oil rig question, yes i can imagine it, but it's not my sexiest imagination.
Since he spends every 30 seconds googling himself (and as we type this shit out, he is, in all likelihood scouring the internet to find out what people is saying about him) it wouldn't be surprising if he was so egotistical he didn't want to risk a sequel to his "masterpiece".
It's pretty apparent from watching indie game the movie and his general behavior, regardless of how much he tries to make it out as a act, the dude is really into himself.
The whole tortured artists thing he done while watching indie game the movie made me think of shit like little girls in Africa having to walk 20 miles a day to get dirty water while he has a cry with his stylized mutton chops and cute meme T-shirt.
@uninspiredcup: wow. sounds like that movie might give me some more insight, i haven't seen it.
If you live near a college or University, just wait for break and case out a bunch of hipsters gathered in a corner somewhere.
For that $20 you could buy Commando or The Rocky Collection.
That's like having a traveler youtuber going around and recording different places in the world and then having to pay the respective governments for having their property on the channel.
@f50p90: Clearly you're wrong, otherwise youtube wouldn't allow monetization of such content.
Clearly you don't understand that this is a grey area which is why publishers and devs have an issue. Go and have a look at the terms yourself.. Again, developers don't care that videos/reviews/walkthroughs are put up. They care that they are gameplay is being MONETIZED and even by youtubes terms, they should not be monetized
@The_Last_Ride
I can handle alil hostility.... I think we need to get knocked down a knotch. Don't you ?
Nope, i think some gamers need to check their entitlement at the door. Not everyone's a douche on the net
@The_Last_Ride
I can handle alil hostility.... I think we need to get knocked down a knotch. Don't you ?
Nope, i think some gamers need to check their entitlement at the door. Not everyone's a douche on the net
exactly
there are about 6 or 7 non-douches
i love it when they're all online at the same time!
@The_Last_Ride
Theres not enough time to deal with the douches individually... So everybody should feel the burn.... I mean what are we doing to solve the problem other than say "Its not me" ?
what problem?
@f50p90: I understand fully. You're wrong about the developers/publishers having issues with this though. A large majority of publishers/developers don't really care, and actually encourage it. This is the reason why it's a grey area. Obviously the terms aren't enforced by youtube and most likely outdated. It doesn't make sense to have it in the terms.
@f50p90: I understand fully. You're wrong about the developers/publishers having issues with this though. A large majority of publishers/developers don't really care, and actually encourage it. This is the reason why it's a grey area. Obviously the terms aren't enforced by youtube and most likely outdated. It doesn't make sense to have it in the terms.
Lol first you said I was wrong. Then I provided proof and now you are saying the terms just aren't enforced. "Obviously" you don't really have any substantial knowledge on the matter. FWIW tons of gaming content was flagged a couple months back and there was a huge uproar. It's definitely enforced.
That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. Does fish even think before he talks?
You realize that if you allow that kind of Pewdie bait game to make serious money, Steam will be flooded with games like Goat Simulator and knockoffs of that. The entire youtube gaming scene is for kids looking for a cheap laugh (sorry seanmcloughlin) and is breeding a whole new genre. If we allow games like Goat Simulator to make serious money from Youtube, we are inviting devs to essentially get lazier and just make stupid, purposely glitchy games that would look well on Youtube.
Watching a game and playing a game are two very different things... I agree with him if someone, say put up a trailer or copied videos he had made of the game and uploaded it with advertisements.
Depends on the context of the video, if it's a speed run or a review or taking the piss out of it or a playing through then whats the harm? Oh well he is on my do not give money to list.
@f50p90: You were right, happy? But do you blame me for having doubts, i mean despite the terms, thousands of people are still monetizing videos. Youtube came up with an automated system that flags videos based on it's content (It's been proven that the audio is at fault) even without the content owners word on the matter. There is no human involvement in this. That's not them enforcing anything. Most developers and publishers have made it very clear that they are not against the monetization of their content. My knowledge is based on the statements made by publishers/developers and the youtube partners themselves.
@f50p90: You were right, happy? But do you blame me for having doubts, i mean despite the terms, thousands of people are still monetizing videos. Youtube came up with an automated system that flags videos based on it's content (It's been proven that the audio is at fault) even without the content owners word on the matter. There is no human involvement in this. That's not them enforcing anything. Most developers and publishers have made it very clear that they are not against the monetization of their content. My knowledge is based on the statements made by publishers/developers and the youtube partners themselves.
I don't blame you for having doubts. I blame you for calling me out when I am in here providing information. I was only in here talking about the YouTube terms for monetization. It has to be original content. That's all I ever said. It's always been that way for music, movies and games
Just because you watch a let's play, doesn't mean someone was gonna buy your game. That's a HUGE leap in logic. Also, the commentary makes the Let's Play, no one watches those with shitty uninteresting people narrating.
But would they watch a black screen with Just the narration of someone playing?
@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?
The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web
I've heard all about him. His douchebaggery hardly warrants such an angry reaction.
He may be poking fun at the fact that Phil Fish did tell everyone to suck on his dick and choke on it
@GreySeal9: are you serious in asking this?
The accounts of his douchbaggery are all over the web
I've heard all about him. His douchebaggery hardly warrants such an angry reaction.
He may be poking fun at the fact that Phil Fish did tell everyone to suck on his dick and choke on it
Classy.
His twitter account before he deleted it
Not the biggest fan of his movie example. You can watch the movie illegally and not have to pay money -- boom. When is the next time you'll watch that movie again? Then watch a video game commentary, you're not stealing money from the developer, because you're not actually experiencing the game. You're watching someone else experience it. If you end up liking the game (from what you've seen), then you might buy it.
Sounds like he's fishing for money since he decided to cancel Fez 2 last year.
Yes, pun intended.
Who let little phil out of the pram? He can come out once he's finished his temper tantrum. (so never)
Isn't this the dumbass that cancelled his game and left the industry because the media hurt his wittle feelings?
^^
And now he's deleted his twitter account after this rant, because feelings.
lolwut?
Is he a 7 year old trapped in a man's body?
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