What system wars? The war is between Sony and Xbox and perhaps Nintendo. PC has risen far too above the rest to be lumped alongside them.
Not only is it getting every Xbox games and has been since 2016, it's also now getting PS5 games including fan-favorite Demon's Souls and there is a big chance Horizon Forbidden West also comes to PC. Sony also said they'd explore releasing more titles from the platform.
In addition, services like Game Pass and PSNow are also available.
If that wasn't enough, NVIDIA just released a beastly card in the 3080 that trounces the 2080, its predecessor by 65-70% for only $699 and we'll get a 2080 Ti class GPU for $499. Oh that's it? No. We're also getting RTX I/O, the whole suite of DXU12 that includes Direct Storage and a bunch of other neat-sounding features. PC is even getting some Xbox Studios games before Xbox such as Flight Simulator 2020 and Gears Tactics.
Don't get me wrong, consoles have their places and a $399 PS5 is an absolute steal and I will get one but PC this gen has risen to be a cut above the rest. Let consoles fight System Wars. PC is too far ahead right now.
Thank you for listening. You can grab a drink on the way out and don't forget your coat.
Edit: How could I forget Zen 3 and the upcoming AMD cards?
Sony and Microsoft are democratizing gaming even if Sony is a little late to the part. Its great for both console and PC gamers. So, a win for everyone.
Yeah. I'm definitely questioning whether I even need a PS5 at this point, or at least right away. Because I don't want to buy one and all the games end up on PC at some point. I know Xbox going to PC killed the notion of me ever buying an Xbox console ever again. The hardware is ALWAYS going to be better, so the reasons for getting a console are getting more and more moot as things go further along.
The only disadvantage PC may have are late ports from a handful of pubs. But hell, it's usually worth the wait after a while anyway.
Sony and Microsoft are democratizing gaming even if Sony is a little late to the part. Its great for both console and PC gamers. So, a win for everyone.
Absolutely. Only people angry are those who shill for big corporations.
Yeah, by no means a perfect platform, but it's good to see Sony and MS broaching the idea of releasing either staggered or simultaneously. Sony just need to work on not pulling another Horizon and releasing a fully-competent port.
PC is way ahead but only if you're prepared to spend the money to gain the power advantage.
At $499 both PS5 and Series X are really good value for different reasons. You're not building a PC at anywhere near that price that comes remotely close to competing with either of these, even with the new Nvidia cards and even with the yet to be announced 3060 let's not forget you don't run a PC with just a GPU. So consoles continue to have their place.
Let's not forget most PC gamers don't have anything even approaching high end performance and although most PC gamers on this forum will claim to be 'rocking' two 3090's in SLI the rest of the world will point and laugh they're fooling literally nobody. Your post typically assumes all PC gamers have high end money no object rigs which I can confidently and exclusively for readers of this forum reveal is total bollocks!
This comes from someone who is now questioning after the latest Sony 'reveal' if he even needs a PS5 to go with the new PC build which itself is on hold while I wait for an Nvidia card with higher VRAM that isn't $1500 or even wait for AMD to hopefully be less shit than usual.
Right? Was considering the PS5 for Demon's Souls, but now I don't have to. I may still get one for those few exclusives and the PS4 exclusives that I missed, but that list is getting smaller.
Your post typically assumes all PC gamers have high end money no object rigs which I can confidently and exclusively for readers of this forum reveal is total bollocks!
No. My post points out that a high-end build that outclasses consoles hilariously is nowhere near as prohibitively expensive as it used to be. You'll be able to build a PS5-tier PC for about $800 so of course, the PS5 is still a great value but that price really isn't unreasonable especially when you factor PS Plus is still paid so that $150-300 adds up to $550-700(digital) or $650-800(disc) over 5 years. That's dangerously close. Not to mention the 3060 will likely outstrip the PS5 in power. You get access to Game Pass, all Xbox exclusives too.
Even as a value proposition, PC is making a serious claim.
yea if you are only going to have 1 system, its far-and-away the best and most flexible option if you have the money to spend on a decent setup.
I still think consoles have their place for those who just want to buy a box that plays the latest games and not have to think too much but for enthusiasts, PC is the clear winner.
I only see two significant issues right now with PC gaming:
1. the need to have a bunch of different accounts to play different games.
I think competition is good and i'm glad Steam doesn't have a monopoly but its kinda out of control right now.
2. Cheaters in online games. this flat out sucks and it has pretty much ruined some competitive games for me. This was less of an issue when most games had community-run dedicated servers who could quickly ban cheaters, but with the rise of matchmaking and more dev-run servers we are totally reliant on devs and anti-cheat software to catch them and its just not effective in some games.
With cross-play, this issue is sadly even going to effect console gamers right now and I hope some more effective anti-cheat solutions are on the horizon.
people who cheat in online games = scum without exception
Look at this long list of dope ass games you guys don't get. Look at these entire genres that get little to no representation on PC. Look at how shit controller support is, etc. Was legit some even competition for fanboy shit.
Now it's like:
Haha, you idiots pay more for a significantly better platform!
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Buuuuut none of that shit matters. Less fun on a forum, but much better as a gamer. I'll take it.
Just sucks knowing Nintendos stubborn asses will never cave, the only 1st party I really care for.
Your post typically assumes all PC gamers have high end money no object rigs which I can confidently and exclusively for readers of this forum reveal is total bollocks!
No. My post points out that a high-end build that outclasses consoles hilariously is nowhere near as prohibitively expensive as it used to be. You'll be able to build a PS5-tier PC for about $800 so of course, the PS5 is still a great value but that price really isn't unreasonable especially when you factor PS Plus is still paid so that $150-300 adds up to $550-700(digital) or $650-800(disc) over 5 years. That's dangerously close. Not to mention the 3060 will likely outstrip the PS5 in power. You get access to Game Pass, all Xbox exclusives too.
Even as a value proposition, PC is making a serious claim.
Reviews are in for the 3080 and Nvidia's claims of double the performance of a 2080 are proving to be way off the mark which clearly indicates that their claims for the 3070 to outperform the 2080 Ti will be similarly disproved when those cards hit the market. The gap between the 3080 and the 2080 Ti are less than expected as well.
There's a good chance you'll need at least a 3070 to match the performance of either console, certainly the Series X and that's $499 just for the card. The PC is no 'value proposition' but it was never meant to be. You pay more, you get better performance. Most PC gamers don't care either way, there is a certain irony in that, but touting PC as a value platform is just plain wrong.
Reviews are in for the 3080 and Nvidia's claims of double the performance of a 2080 are proving to be way off the mark which clearly indicates that their claims for the 3070 to outperform the 2080 Ti will be similarly disproved when those cards hit the market. The gap between the 3080 and the 2080 Ti are less than expected as well.
If you were an idiot and missed half the presentation. They clearly showed in-game benchmarks with games such as Borderlands 3, Control and Battlefield and the gains were between 60-80% over a 2080. Reviews are out and it's about 70% faster, exactly as they claimed. They said "up to 2x a 2080" which means at most and that only happens in Minecraft and Quake RTX.
You basically have a card that is 65-70% faster than a 2080 and you think the card that is the model below will be the speed of a 2080? This doesn't even make sense. The 3080 is about 30% faster than the 2080 Ti and a 3070 of that speed would put it right where the 70 series typycally hang relative to the 80's.. Worst-case scenario, it performs a step below the 2080 Ti if they introduce a 3070 Ti that performs a step above the 2080 Ti.
Reviews are in for the 3080 and Nvidia's claims of double the performance of a 2080 are proving to be way off the mark which clearly indicates that their claims for the 3070 to outperform the 2080 Ti will be similarly disproved when those cards hit the market. The gap between the 3080 and the 2080 Ti are less than expected as well.
If you were an idiot and missed half the presentation. They clearly showed in-game benchmarks with games such as Borderlands 3, Control and Battlefield and the gains were between 60-80% over a 2080. Reviews are out and it's about 70% faster, exactly as they claimed. They said "up to 2x a 2080" which means at most and that only happens in Minecraft and Quake RTX.
You basically have a card that is 65-70% faster than a 2080 and you think the card that is the model below will be the speed of a 2080? This doesn't even make sense. The 3080 is about 30% faster than the 2080 Ti and a 3070 of that speed would put it right where the 70 series typycally hang relative to the 80's.. Worst-case scenario, it performs a step below the 2080 Ti if they introduce a 3070 Ti that performs a step above the 2080 Ti.
A 3070 will destroy both consoles.
Wow, you just don't get it, at all. You're already citing cards that haven't been announced yet (3070 Ti) to support your argument and how much do you think that's going to cost? I'm actually banking on a 3070 Ti announcement because we know it will have more VRAM and I'll be more comfortable with that but it won't be cheap have you actually forgotten what we are even discussing here?
A standard 3070 won't destroy next gen consoles. Review benchmarks have established Nvidia misled everyone with performance expectations and while the 3080 is still an excellent card despite being short of VRAM it has dampened expectations of how the lesser cards will perform.
You have been watching these reviews with your fingers stuck in your ears so you don't hear anything you don't like. Fair enough? But please don't spout BS on the back of it. I don't know why you just won't accept that for some people buying a next gen console will be far better value than trying to build a PC that competes with one. But then, I don't understand fanboys of any persuasion for any faction, I'm weird like that.
Reviews are in for the 3080 and Nvidia's claims of double the performance of a 2080 are proving to be way off the mark which clearly indicates that their claims for the 3070 to outperform the 2080 Ti will be similarly disproved when those cards hit the market. The gap between the 3080 and the 2080 Ti are less than expected as well.
If you were an idiot and missed half the presentation. They clearly showed in-game benchmarks with games such as Borderlands 3, Control and Battlefield and the gains were between 60-80% over a 2080. Reviews are out and it's about 70% faster, exactly as they claimed. They said "up to 2x a 2080" which means at most and that only happens in Minecraft and Quake RTX.
You basically have a card that is 65-70% faster than a 2080 and you think the card that is the model below will be the speed of a 2080? This doesn't even make sense. The 3080 is about 30% faster than the 2080 Ti and a 3070 of that speed would put it right where the 70 series typycally hang relative to the 80's.. Worst-case scenario, it performs a step below the 2080 Ti if they introduce a 3070 Ti that performs a step above the 2080 Ti.
A 3070 will destroy both consoles.
The fact that MS stated that their GPU does 12 TFLOPS of shader performance and 13 RT TFLOPS..... tells anyone with a brain that XSX is going to have a tough time competing with RTX 2080 or 2080 Super, let alone the RTX 2080ti/RTX 3070 or better. The RT performance for the XSX is like a RTX 2060S or RTX 2070 at best.
Wow, you just don't get it, at all. You're already citing cards that haven't been announced yet (3070 Ti) to support your argument and how much do you think that's going to cost? I'm actually banking on a 3070 Ti announcement because we know it will have more VRAM and I'll be more comfortable with that but it won't be cheap have you actually forgotten what we are even discussing here?
Are you even paying attention? There's too wide of a gap between the 3080 and 3070 for the 3070 not to destroy consoles. The 2080 Ti claims are perfectly believable because the 3080 alone beats the 2080 Ti by 30%. Historically, the 80 series is about 25% faster than the 70 series.
2080 is 24% faster than 2070. 1080 is 20% faster than 1070(though at release it was closer to 25-30%). That's typically what happens. There is enough room between a 3070 at 2080 Ti levels of performance and a 3080 to slot in a 3070 Ti. A 3070 could end up 5% slower than the 2080 Ti, it'd still be 30%+ faster than the PS5 and 15%+ faster than the Series X, assuming it doesn't match the 2080 Ti which is really not outlandish based on how the 3080 performs.
A standard 3070 won't destroy next gen consoles. Review benchmarks have established Nvidia misled everyone with performance expectations and while the 3080 is still an excellent card despite being short of VRAM it has dampened expectations of how the lesser cards will perform.
Literally not. They said UP TO 2X and in Minecraft RTX, DOOM Eternal with Ultra Nightmare textures and Quake RTX, it is up to twice as fast. They also posted benchmarks of OTHER games and gave DF exclusive access and DF registered performance gains of 60-80%, just like in their slides. Benchmarks give the 3080 about a 70% advantage over the 2080. Where have they miseld anybody?
>Uo to 2x the 2080. Checked.
>60-80% faster according to benches POSTED on their website. Checked.
Please tell me where is the lie unless you were idiotic enough to just run with the 2x 2080 claim and ignore everything else.
You have been watching these reviews with your fingers stuck in your ears so you don't hear anything you don't like. Fair enough? But please don't spout BS on the back of it. I don't know why you just won't accept that for some people buying a next gen console will be far better value than trying to build a PC that competes with one. But then, I don't understand fanboys of any persuasion for any faction, I'm weird like that.
I factually dismantled every single one of your bogus claims. Nobody is plugging their ears except for you. Their claims of performance are STILL on their website. They gave DF games to review. 60-80% in general and UP to 100% in best-case scenarios. Exactly what we got.
The fact that MS stated that their GPU does 12 TFLOPS of shader performance and 13 RT TFLOPS..... tells anyone with a brain that XSX is going to have a tough time competing with RTX 2080 or 2080 Super, let alone the RTX 2080ti/RTX 3070 or better. The RT performance for the XSX is like a RTX 2060S or RTX 2070 at best.
It didn't do too hot in the Minecraft bench but we need to wait. Jury is still out on this but I'm confident the 3070 will demolish both consoles.
The fact that MS stated that their GPU does 12 TFLOPS of shader performance and 13 RT TFLOPS..... tells anyone with a brain that XSX is going to have a tough time competing with RTX 2080 or 2080 Super, let alone the RTX 2080ti/RTX 3070 or better. The RT performance for the XSX is like a RTX 2060S or RTX 2070 at best.
It didn't do too hot in the Minecraft bench but we need to wait. Jury is still out on this but I'm confident the 3070 will demolish both consoles.
The RTX 2060 has alot of short comings. And needs DLSS to smooth out the fps. Minecraft DXR is full path tracing, not hybrid ray tracing. RTX 2060 has around 20 RT TFLOPS but only has half the pixel fill rate vs XSX, and has over 200GB/s less bandwidth and 4gb less vram as well.
What system wars? The war is between Sony and Xbox and perhaps Nintendo. PC has risen far too above the rest to be lumped alongside them.
Not only is it getting every Xbox games and has been since 2016, it's also now getting PS5 games including fan-favorite Demon's Souls and there is a big chance Horizon Forbidden West also comes to PC. Sony also said they'd explore releasing more titles from the platform.
In addition, services like Game Pass and PSNow are also available.
If that wasn't enough, NVIDIA just released a beastly card in the 3080 that trounces the 2080, its predecessor by 65-70% for only $699 and we'll get a 2080 Ti class GPU for $499. Oh that's it? No. We're also getting RTX I/O, the whole suite of DXU12 that includes Direct Storage and a bunch of other neat-sounding features. PC is even getting some Xbox Studios games before Xbox such as Flight Simulator 2020 and Gears Tactics.
Don't get me wrong, consoles have their places and a $399 PS5 is an absolute steal and I will get one but PC this gen has risen to be a cut above the rest. Let consoles fight System Wars. PC is too far ahead right now.
Thank you for listening. You can grab a drink on the way out and don't forget your coat.
Edit: How could I forget Zen 3 and the upcoming AMD cards?
Wow, you just don't get it, at all. You're already citing cards that haven't been announced yet (3070 Ti) to support your argument and how much do you think that's going to cost? I'm actually banking on a 3070 Ti announcement because we know it will have more VRAM and I'll be more comfortable with that but it won't be cheap have you actually forgotten what we are even discussing here?
Are you even paying attention? There's too wide of a gap between the 3080 and 3070 for the 3070 not to destroy consoles. The 2080 Ti claims are perfectly believable because the 3080 alone beats the 2080 Ti by 30%. Historically, the 80 series is about 25% faster than the 70 series.
2080 is 24% faster than 2070. 1080 is 20% faster than 1070(though at release it was closer to 25-30%). That's typically what happens. There is enough room between a 3070 at 2080 Ti levels of performance and a 3080 to slot in a 3070 Ti. A 3070 could end up 5% slower than the 2080 Ti, it'd still be 30%+ faster than the PS5 and 15%+ faster than the Series X, assuming it doesn't match the 2080 Ti which is really not outlandish based on how the 3080 performs.
A standard 3070 won't destroy next gen consoles. Review benchmarks have established Nvidia misled everyone with performance expectations and while the 3080 is still an excellent card despite being short of VRAM it has dampened expectations of how the lesser cards will perform.
Literally not. They said UP TO 2X and in Minecraft RTX, DOOM Eternal with Ultra Nightmare textures and Quake RTX, it is up to twice as fast. They also posted benchmarks of OTHER games and gave DF exclusive access and DF registered performance gains of 60-80%, just like in their slides. Benchmarks give the 3080 about a 70% advantage over the 2080. Where have they miseld anybody?
>Uo to 2x the 2080. Checked.
>60-80% faster according to benches POSTED on their website. Checked.
Please tell me where is the lie unless you were idiotic enough to just run with the 2x 2080 claim and ignore everything else.
You have been watching these reviews with your fingers stuck in your ears so you don't hear anything you don't like. Fair enough? But please don't spout BS on the back of it. I don't know why you just won't accept that for some people buying a next gen console will be far better value than trying to build a PC that competes with one. But then, I don't understand fanboys of any persuasion for any faction, I'm weird like that.
I factually dismantled every single one of your bogus claims. Nobody is plugging their ears except for you. Their claims of performance are STILL on their website. They gave DF games to review. 60-80% in general and UP to 100% in best-case scenarios. Exactly what we got.
You ask if I'm paying attention and you don't even read what I'm posting. We don't know yet how the 3070 will perform but we know for sure that we were expecting more from the 3080 a 20-30% performance increase over 2080 Ti is great but not the 60% we were expecting and which you still insist on quoting from DF whose tests were all hand-picked by Nvidia and were not straight FPS tests anyway.
I'm going to believe all the benchmark reviews none of which are claiming 60-80% performance increase with the 3080 over some fanboy in forumland.
Please stop with the 2X BS which we both know is heavily circumstantial.
You dismantled nothing. You're reading your own posts and ignoring mine. You have also again forgotten WTF we were even talking about to start with which is... PC gaming is by far the best but it comes at a heavy price. Your claims that building a PC that 'hilariously' outperforms next gen consoles is no longer prohibitively expensive is something I have already dismantled.
Even if the 3070 marginally outperforms both next gen consoles, for that slight increase you're paying $500 (the cost of both next gen consoles) just for the card and that's only if you get lucky and manage to get a FE at launch. Realistically the vast majority of 3070 buyers are going to pay more than that. Then you have to buy the rest of the components for your PC.
Unless you put junk components in your PC you're going to pay a great deal more than the price of a next gen console for slightly better performance hence your 'value proposition' claims are seen to be complete BS.
I'll be buying a 3080 when I see one with more than 10gb of RAM we don't know how much VRAM games will want a couple of years down the road and like I have said repeatedly PC gaming is by far the best way to play games but you're in fantasy land with this value for money win you have been spouting on about.
Pure bang for buck the next gen consoles are simply much better value and don't get me started on what kind of PC you'll end up with for $500.
Later this year I'm buying the tippy toppiest lol tier Pee Salty Sea rig available and play the best version of all those Phony games cows thought were exclusive. :o
I may even have to stop calling them, Pee Salty Seas and instead refer to my PC and myself as MasterRace. lolol :P
You ask if I'm paying attention and you don't even read what I'm posting. We don't know yet how the 3070 will perform but we know for sure that we were expecting more from the 3080 a 20-30% performance increase over 2080 Ti is great but not the 60% we were expecting and which you still insist on quoting from DF whose tests were all hand-picked by Nvidia and were not straight FPS tests anyway.
If you were expecting 2x 2080 across the board then you're a god damn retard. They said UP to 2x which is the maximum. Since when is the peak the norm for anything?
I'm going to believe all the benchmark reviews none of which are claiming 60-80% performance increase with the 3080 over some fanboy in forumland.
Oh really?
Please what is this? Yes, performance that varies anywhere from 60 to 80% over the 2080, exactly as NVIDIA had told and demonstrated through DF. That's excluding games like Quake RTX or Minecraft which were like 90-100% faster.
Please stop with the 2X BS which we both know is heavily circumstantial.
Yeah no shit. Maximum IS circumstantial which is why they gave us benches and other games and DF a suite of games to analyze. That was the norm, not the 2x increase which is obviously the maximum you can expect, not what happens every time yet you seem to fail to grasp that.
Even if the 3070 marginally outperforms both next gen consoles, for that slight increase you're paying $500 (the cost of both next gen consoles) just for the card and that's only if you get lucky and manage to get a FE at launch. Realistically the vast majority of 3070 buyers are going to pay more than that. Then you have to buy the rest of the components for your PC.
You won't need a 3070. A 3060 will be console-tier because a 3070 at around 2080 Ti performance will trounce the consoles.
Unless you put junk components in your PC you're going to pay a great deal more than the price of a next gen console for slightly better performance hence your 'value proposition' claims are seen to be complete BS.
Literally did the math above. Your paid online that ends up costing up to $300 over 5 years dampens the great value proposition of the consoles. Suddenly it's $700-800 vs $850-900. How is this not competitive exactly?
I'll be buying a 3080 when I see one with more than 10gb of RAM we don't know how much VRAM games will want a couple of years down the road and like I have said repeatedly PC gaming is by far the best way to play games but you're in fantasy land with this value for money win you have been spouting on about.
I never said a win. Read before you fucking type. I said PC is making a serious claim for being the better value because it does. You won't need a $1500 PC to match the consoles. You'll need something in the 3060 levels of power which will be $399. You can have the entire build for 800-900 compared to a PS5 that will cost you 700 to 800 if you include the $60/year of paid online over 5 years. I also didn't include the cheaper games on PC(that are nowhere near the 50% cheaper than they used to be, more like 15-25%).
Pure bang for buck the next gen consoles are simply much better value and don't get me started on what kind of PC you'll end up with for $500.
They aren't "much better", stop lying. Not to mention that's completely ignoring the myriad of people who already have capable PC's and only need a new GPU. We're going off the assumption we need to build everything for scratch which is a reality that is only 100% true in console land. I would only need to upgrade my 2080 Ti, not build a whole system which is yet another advantage of the PC.
@girlusocrazy: What 30 TFLOPs card? It runs at 4K/75fps on a 3080. 5x better, not two times lol. 30 TFLOPs is misleading. And that’s compared to a PS4 Pro. Compared to a regular PS4 it runs 10x better.
You ask if I'm paying attention and you don't even read what I'm posting. We don't know yet how the 3070 will perform but we know for sure that we were expecting more from the 3080 a 20-30% performance increase over 2080 Ti is great but not the 60% we were expecting and which you still insist on quoting from DF whose tests were all hand-picked by Nvidia and were not straight FPS tests anyway.
If you were expecting 2x 2080 across the board then you're a god damn retard. They said UP to 2x which is the maximum. Since when is the peak the norm for anything?
I'm going to believe all the benchmark reviews none of which are claiming 60-80% performance increase with the 3080 over some fanboy in forumland.
Oh really?
Please what is this? Yes, performance that varies anywhere from 60 to 80% over the 2080, exactly as NVIDIA had told and demonstrated through DF. That's excluding games like Quake RTX or Minecraft which were like 90-100% faster.
Please stop with the 2X BS which we both know is heavily circumstantial.
Yeah no shit. Maximum IS circumstantial which is why they gave us benches and other games and DF a suite of games to analyze. That was the norm, not the 2x increase which is obviously the maximum you can expect, not what happens every time yet you seem to fail to grasp that.
Even if the 3070 marginally outperforms both next gen consoles, for that slight increase you're paying $500 (the cost of both next gen consoles) just for the card and that's only if you get lucky and manage to get a FE at launch. Realistically the vast majority of 3070 buyers are going to pay more than that. Then you have to buy the rest of the components for your PC.
You won't need a 3070. A 3060 will be console-tier because a 3070 at around 2080 Ti performance will trounce the consoles.
Unless you put junk components in your PC you're going to pay a great deal more than the price of a next gen console for slightly better performance hence your 'value proposition' claims are seen to be complete BS.
Literally did the math above. Your paid online that ends up costing up to $300 over 5 years dampens the great value proposition of the consoles. Suddenly it's $700-800 vs $850-900. How is this not competitive exactly?
I'll be buying a 3080 when I see one with more than 10gb of RAM we don't know how much VRAM games will want a couple of years down the road and like I have said repeatedly PC gaming is by far the best way to play games but you're in fantasy land with this value for money win you have been spouting on about.
I never said a win. Read before you fucking type. I said PC is making a serious claim for being the better value because it does. You won't need a $1500 PC to match the consoles. You'll need something in the 3060 levels of power which will be $399. You can have the entire build for 800-900 compared to a PS5 that will cost you 700 to 800 if you include the $60/year of paid online over 5 years. I also didn't include the cheaper games on PC(that are nowhere near the 50% cheaper than they used to be, more like 15-25%).
Pure bang for buck the next gen consoles are simply much better value and don't get me started on what kind of PC you'll end up with for $500.
They aren't "much better", stop lying. Not to mention that's completely ignoring the myriad of people who already have capable PC's and only need a new GPU. We're going off the assumption we need to build everything for scratch which is a reality that is only 100% true in console land. I would only need to upgrade my 2080 Ti, not build a whole system which is yet another advantage of the PC.
I said 60-80% performance increase over the Ti not the 2080 learn to read dumbass.
Yeah the peak is not the norm for anything which is why people don't quote it unless like you they're trying to embellish the facts.
I've never paid to play online on PS4 or any other console I certainly wouldn't want the old games they roll out every month. The sub is a choice, not something you sign up to for five years when you buy a console. If you're talking pure value look at the SSD's in these consoles and add a 4K bluray player the fact you don't care about this stuff means nothing to anyone it doesn't change the fact it's there.
Again you're pulling BS out of your ass now moving goalposts from the 3070 to the 3060 claiming this will be in line with next gen consoles in terms of performance when nobody has a friggin clue how either of these cards are going to perform, least of all you.
Claiming something is better value is claiming a win. Little English lesson for you there, no extra charge.
Nobody said you need a $1500 PC to match the consoles. That's just you completely losing your shit over this, which is fine, it's highly amusing.
I'm going to wait till all the cards and both consoles are out and we see the benchmarks and we'll all enjoy watching you put together your $500 PC and show us how it's better value. **** me that will be a laugh and a half.
The irony here is I'm largely on the side of PC gamers since I have been one a very long time and always will be but since I'm not a member of any of the factions on here (I'm just a gamer, hard for you to even relate to that I know but it is what it is) so I am free to call things as I see them. It's something of a luxury.
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