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#1  Edited By loco145
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The PC industry is betting big on gamers

The PC gaming market produced $21.5 billion in hardware sales last year, according to data from Jon Peddie Research, which is more than double the revenues derived from console sales. More notably, unlike the broader PC market, which continues shrinking, gaming PC sales are projected to increase over the next couple of years. The JPR analysis suggests the biggest chunk of gaming PC revenue — somewhere in the vicinity of 44 percent — comes from the so-called enthusiast segment, which the researchers identify as "very performance and style oriented, much like sports car owners."

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@loco145: Does that surprise you? The PC is huge in China where consoles were banned untill this year. Not to mention one PC can cost up to 10x the price of a console.

Regardless most games sell better on consoles.

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They should define what enters exactly in the "pc gaming market hardware"

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Yeah , when a piece that helps you hear the sound of the games costs more then a console , you will generate more money.

Did you just realize this , or is something bothering you?

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#5  Edited By the_master_race
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@AM-Gamer said:

@loco145: Does that surprise you? The PC is huge in China where consoles were banned untill this year. Not to mention one PC can cost up to 10x the price of a console.

Regardless most games sell better on consoles.

5000$ is the high price for a 4K gaming super rig with two Titans X, not a PC that can outperform consoles

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@AM-Gamer said:

@loco145: Does that surprise you? The PC is huge in China where consoles were banned untill this year. Not to mention one PC can cost up to 10x the price of a console.

You didn't try to disprove the article, So I suppose this is your acceptance speech that each individual console is a EXTREME gap from PC hardware/software sales? And when all 3 combined they are still behind?

Second Place Acceptance Speech. Silver Medal awarded to AM GAMER!

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Korean MMO and mobo clones.
Waste of time.

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Korean MMO and mobo clones.

Waste of time.

Most of which receive poor scores, and not the reason PC has the highest aaa/aa/a count this and last gen.

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@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

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@the_master_race: Never said it was. But when a single part cost as much if not more then an entire console it shouldn't surprise you it brings in more revenue. Especially when it's popular in one of the world's largest economy's.

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#11  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

Exactly, PS4 also has blockbuster games. PC is a risk major publishers will not gamble on..

In conclusion: Pc has no blockbusters, only multipat of console centric blockbusters. PC userbase now reduced to b boasting about console ports with most of the sales coming from cloned mmo/moba games.

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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

So PC doesn't have the higher gaming hardware and gaming software revenue than all 3 consoles combined, and an insane gap over any 1 individual console (like PS4) in both areas?

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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

what are you smoking kid ?

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@uninspiredcup said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

Exactly, PS4 also has blockbuster gamse. Pc is a risk major publishers will not gamble on; no blockbusters, only multipat of console centric blockbusters.

PC userbase now reduced to b boasting about console ports.

1. Blockbuster games =/= more aaa/aa/a games. PC doesn't use the whole NBA commercials and marketing hype crazy burst sales. It's a slow burn.

2. PC has more AAA games on the way than PS4. Blizzard/Sega/Firaxis alone ensure this.

3. PC userbase and hardware/software sales are several times larger than PS4.

4. Console Ports and Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time. Witcher3 and MGSV both 10/10 and best on PC by miles. Consoles are only good for 1-2 exclusives a year. Or for PS4 only 1 so far in 3 years.

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It's not just hardware sales, PC gaming is out performing all consoles combined in software (games) sales as well, even if you completely ignore browser/facebook games

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@-God-: Number 2 is a lie.

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Considering most gaming graphic cards cost the price of a console....I wouldn't be bragging about that, just shows how overly expensive PC gaming is.

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@-God- said:
@uninspiredcup said:
@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

Exactly, PS4 also has blockbuster gamse. Pc is a risk major publishers will not gamble on; no blockbusters, only multipat of console centric blockbusters.

PC userbase now reduced to b boasting about console ports.

1. Blockbuster games =/= more aaa/aa/a games. PC doesn't use the whole NBA commercials and marketing hype crazy burst sales. It's a slow burn.

2. PC has more AAA games on the way than PS4. Blizzard/Sega/Firaxis alone ensure this.

3. PC userbase and hardware/software sales are several times larger than PS4.

4. Console Ports and Multiplats are better on PC 99% of the time. Witcher3 and MGSV both 10/10 and best on PC by miles. Consoles are only good for 1-2 exclusives a year. Or for PS4 only 1 so far in 3 years.

Pc gaming use to be cool in 90's, it was the lead platform with intelligent games like Quake, Rainbow Six, Homeworld e.t.c...

It is now console ports with slightly better graphics. This is the reality; nothing can change this.

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@the_master_race: It's called truth. Just about every major multplat sales best on PS4. MKX, MGS V, Batman:AK and even Witcer 3. PCs revenue is much higher then any console because of F2P games most of which don't exist on consoles.

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@loco145: "The PC gaming market produced $21.5 billion in hardware sales last year" ... "which is more than double the revenues derived from console sales."

this is inaccurate.

first, 100% of console hardware sales is gaming-related. they are gaming machines. period.

second, PCs require upgrades every so often to "keep up." console... do not. $500 would last a console gamer 10 years, while the same amount of money would last a PC gamer 3.

third, unlike console hardware, PC hardware isnt 100% gaming-oriented. factoring all Pc hardware sales in the equation is like factoring in smartphone sales, lol.

lastly, this doesnt account of software sales. Pc software is by and large cheaper than console software. and the attach rate for consoles is way above the PC platform, which would account for a lot more money floating around not being mentioned.

The biggest piece of evidence of why this is ridiculous is that the PC is just one gaming platform, compared to all the other gaming platforms. We've all talked to gamers in school, work, on the street and on the internet. Half of us motherfuckers arent PC gamers. We are more evenly spread throughout the different brand ecosystems. and honestly, I am no doubt of of the source demographs for that Pc hardware sketch. I contributed to PC hardware sales in the analysis. But the PC is not my primary gaming platform. and to say a statement like "the PC platform is overtaking consoles" based on a contribution to the platform by someone like me is not a very good assumption.

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There are too many pros to having a gaming PC, and not many cons. People are slowly, but surely, becoming aware of this...


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#22  Edited By -God-
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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: Number 2 is a lie.

Uncharted 4

VS.

Total Warhammer, XCOM 2, OverWatch, DreadNaught, Star Citizen, Unreal, Legion, Heart of Thorns, Legacy of the Void, FortNight, Law Breakers. (Not going to include smaller budget titles like Divinity II or others)

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@AM-Gamer said:

@the_master_race: It's called truth. Just about every major multplat sales best on PS4. MKX, MGS V, Batman:AK and even Witcer 3. PCs revenue is much higher then any console because of F2P games most of which don't exist on consoles.

MKX = Shitty Port

MGSV = do I need to explain to you why it's more popular on PS4 ? while we know PC is best platform 4 playing this game , plus it has already sold near 500 copies on steam

Batman: AK : R U 4 REAL

Witcher : did you count the gog sales ?

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@-God-: No W3 didn't sell best on PC and most multiplats never do.

It's revenue is higher then any console mainly due to F2P games that never come to consoles.

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@isturbo1984: Game software revenue is also higher from PC than from all consoles, handhelds are recorded with mobile, (all of them, not just gen 8) combined, it has been this way since 2014 and is increasing.

I'm not going back through this round about again but if you're doubtful the information is only a quick Google search away.

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/83972-pc-games-sales-eclipse-value-console-games-sales-2016/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/pc-games-have-surpassed-console-games-globally/033849

There's a few to start you off

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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: PS4 alone outsells PCs in most multiplats so you are wrong.

This can be true initially, but over time, PC versions tend do better than consoles in multiplat sales.

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@AM-Gamer said:

It's revenue is higher then any console mainly due to F2P games that never come to consoles.

And several MMO, CRPG, ARPG, RTS, Sims, INDY, etc. that never come to consoles. PC has exponentially more 80% and above rated games than PS4 for this gen alone. F2P can also be great.

You're not denying the fact that PC is a distant gap over PS4 for Gaming Revenue, you're just giving one of the several reason's it's a fact. Thanks? Second place away my friend.

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@AM-Gamer said:

@-God-: No W3 didn't sell best on PC and most multiplats never do.

It's revenue is higher then any console mainly due to F2P games that never come to consoles.

Bullsh*t statements.

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@loco145: Does that surprise you? The PC is huge in China where consoles were banned untill this year. Not to mention one PC can cost up to 10x the price of a console.

Regardless most games sell better on consoles.

lmao.

so now "blame china"....

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@AM-Gamer said:

@the_master_race: It's called truth. Just about every major multplat sales best on PS4. MKX, MGS V, Batman:AK and even Witcer 3. PCs revenue is much higher then any console because of F2P games most of which don't exist on consoles.

and this matters because?

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@-God-: Nice try troll.

UC4, Horizon ZD, UD, R&C, Tekken 7, EGR, Gow4, GT7 and since you count expansions BB.

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Even if F2P was 50% of PC's revenue, it would still be well above PS4 according to 2015 figures.

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@phantomfire335: It's true , deal with it

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@MBirdy88: It matters because they deny this is the case. AAA development is driven by consoles. The PCs massive revenue growth has come from the cancerous F2P model which is nothing to be proud of. And some of you dumb twats actually refuse to believe it's anything else.

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@AM-Gamer said:

@phantomfire335: It's true , deal with it

You got some evidence to back that up or is this your opinion?

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@AM-Gamer: But it's not.

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@GarGx1 said:

@isturbo1984: Game software revenue is also higher from PC than from all consoles, handhelds are recorded with mobile, (all of them, not just gen 8) combined, it has been this way since 2014 and is increasing.

I'm not going back through this round about again but if you're doubtful the information is only a quick Google search away.

http://hexus.net/gaming/news/industry/83972-pc-games-sales-eclipse-value-console-games-sales-2016/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2014/04/28/as-global-pc-game-revenue-surpasses-consoles-how-long-should-console-makers-keep-fighting/

http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/pc-games-have-surpassed-console-games-globally/033849

There's a few to start you off

I don't disagree. I'm just saying the overall message is false. there are way too many factors. The primary factor being functionality. How many Ps2 sales were accounted for just being someone's DVD player? How many PS3s were just a blu-ray player? How many people who bought a new laptop got it for schooling? How many millions of Chinamen playing the latest MMO or Moba are actually gamers like you or I??

To say anything definitive on the issue is false. theres just too much to draw a conclusion from. if you chop up the numbers in q00 different ways, you will get q00 different results. "PC gaming revenue surpasses console revenue" is one of them.

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@-God-: Nice try troll.

I'm trolling because pc has more upcomming AAAs? Sorry, get mad at blizzard, valve, ncsoft, epic, firaxis, and sega. Not me!

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@isturbo1984 said:How many millions of Chinamen playing the latest MMO or Moba are actually gamers like you or I??

About as many 'murican dudebros who have PS4/XB1 just for CoD or Madden.

Facts are facts, PC's gaming/hardware are well over consoles, and exponentially above any 1 system.

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@MBirdy88: It matters because they deny this is the case. AAA development is driven by consoles. The PCs massive revenue growth has come from the cancerous F2P model which is nothing to be proud of. And some of you dumb twats actually refuse to believe it's anything else.

Ah yes, that "Cancerous Free2play module" that spawns games fare more competitive, depth and have far more players playing than any of these so called "AAA developed games". Nevermind PS4's inflated games numbers come largely from the indie devs that PC gaming spawned and funded. Nevermind the completely kickstarted Million+ value games (ignoring the big 89 mil juggernaut).

But oh no ... 10 hour games like batman sold better on consoles! --- counter --- punch --- press button when enemies head lights up -- repeat for 10 hours. pretty though.

"AAA development" ... nobody cares except out of date console fanboys who don't move with the times. all AAA means these days is "we will play it safe and dumb with gameplay, while spending nearly our entire budget on Graphic's desigers and marketing.".

Haha cancerous... good luck getting any AAA games anywhere near as relevant as DoTA/CS:GO/LoL/World of Tanks" ....

Your like that minority that thinks your a majority.

9.1 million players in the last 2 weeks.

Your console scene is s*it.... barely any worthwhile multiplayer games, outside of the casual end of the shooter spectrum.

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@GarGx1: What have I said that's incorrect? MOST multiplats sell best on PS4. Do you deny that?

The PCs massive software revenue comes from F2P ? Do you deny that?

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@AM-Gamer said:

@MBirdy88: It matters because they deny this is the case. AAA development is driven by consoles. The PCs massive revenue growth has come from the cancerous F2P model which is nothing to be proud of. And some of you dumb twats actually refuse to believe it's anything else.

Except for entire genres like WRPG, ARPG, CRPG, MOBA, F2P, MMO, RTS, TBS, and SIM all of which can have and do have AAA PC exclusive productions.......... Which AAA RTS/Moba/Sim/ARPG/TBS is console driving forward?

Idiot?

And cancerous F2P? There have been amazing aaa/aa F2P games which have become the bastion for high skill cap competitive play, well above any console title...what the ****? Link? Please use citation when making such stupid claims.

Also find me a link showing 70% of PC's sales are F2P, because that is how much it would need for PS4 to be close to beating PC's revenue with not counting that genre for whatever convoluted reason.

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@-God-: but it doesn't and your dumbass named one PS4 game.

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@-God- said:
@isturbo1984 said:How many millions of Chinamen playing the latest MMO or Moba are actually gamers like you or I??

About as many 'murican dudebros who have PS4/XB1 just for CoD or Madden.

Facts are facts, PC's gaming/hardware are well over consoles, and exponentially above any 1 system.

as numerous articles have show, lol.... not even half of the dudebros in the 'muricas account for the moba and mmo popularity in the east. so, no.

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#47  Edited By Mr_Huggles_dog
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@loco145 said:

The PC industry is betting big on gamers

The PC gaming market produced $21.5 billion in hardware sales last year, according to data from Jon Peddie Research, which is more than double the revenues derived from console sales. More notably, unlike the broader PC market, which continues shrinking, gaming PC sales are projected to increase over the next couple of years. The JPR analysis suggests the biggest chunk of gaming PC revenue — somewhere in the vicinity of 44 percent — comes from the so-called enthusiast segment, which the researchers identify as "very performance and style oriented, much like sports car owners."

Source.

Isn't there like....10x the hardware to buy for PC's when consoles have....what....controllers and the console themselves.

Of course PC hardware sales are greater.

But don't worry...I won't go off topic and belittle you so that the topic gets locked like the hermits did in my thread.

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@MBirdy88: More relevant? What makes it relevant dumbass? The fact that Korean kids play on them untill there dead? Do 12 year olds that play LoL tell me what's relevant? If the console scene doesn't have a game that last as long it's because were busy actually buying AAA games while you dumb twats pay 10$ for a skin and do the sameshit for 10 years. Is LoL and DotA risky and unique to you?. Lmao!

Your bullshit skill argument is this that and I'm not getting into it again. Enjoy paying for your $1500 rig only to play F2P games that look like they could run on a PS2. Enjoy being a stupid sheep who buys his games in pieces as it was the only way they could get you shits to buy games PERIOD!

Hah that Arse Ache.

Yet another casual kiddy that thinks New = Better. "too busy buying new games" ... yea because the last flashy interactive movies end up in the bargin bin. Your logic is so flawed.

I'd rather pay $10 for a skin of a game I've played 1000s of hours, and constantly updates improves .... that spend $60 on 10 hour interactive movies that insult my intelligence. but hey. all those 10 year olds buying uncharted, cod and batman are so totally more valuable AMIRITE?!

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@mr_huggles_dog said:
@loco145 said:

The PC industry is betting big on gamers

The PC gaming market produced $21.5 billion in hardware sales last year, according to data from Jon Peddie Research, which is more than double the revenues derived from console sales. More notably, unlike the broader PC market, which continues shrinking, gaming PC sales are projected to increase over the next couple of years. The JPR analysis suggests the biggest chunk of gaming PC revenue — somewhere in the vicinity of 44 percent — comes from the so-called enthusiast segment, which the researchers identify as "very performance and style oriented, much like sports car owners."

Source.

Isn't there like....10x the hardware to buy for PC's when consoles have....what....controllers and the console themselves.

Of course PC hardware sales are greater.

But don't worry...I won't go off topic and belittle you so that the topic gets locked like the hermits did in my thread.

Attacking hemits and later on will go on to play victim.

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@isturbo1984: That maybe true and one source is never a sure definition of accuracy., though JPR is one of the most reliable and are used widely by the hardware industry to foresee future trends and what markets to focus on.

http://www.jonpeddie.com/publications/pc_gaming_hardware_market_report/

A couple of things to take into account

The table is a projected view of what to expect by 2017

44% are from "enthusiast" sales - these are not someone buying a laptop for school, or an HPC for watching TV and movies

30% are from "performance" sales - these, again, are not people buying a laptop for school, some may fall into this for home PC's

26% are from "mainstream" sales - these are laptops and HPC also highly likely people who largely play browser games and Moba's

Of course they are assumptions and not based on fact, the only way to get any actual facts on the break down is to pay JPR thousands of dollars.

@AM-Gamer: I've not said you are correct or incorrect, I've asked for evidence to support your theory. Without evidence it's conjecture and opinion.