pc gaming is cheap if you only want cosole graphics

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#1 imprezawrx500
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here in nz ps3 $1200, x360 $720 + $40 for recaragbke battery pack

amd 64 3800x2 $105

320gb hdd $130

memory $60 per 1gig chip

7900gs $240/ 8600gt $205

mother board $100

case and p/s $50

dvd writter $45 

so $635 for a good gaming pc, so explain how pc gaming is expencive?  pkus $100 vs $130 for games or $130 vs $60 if you buy games on steam or dircet 2 drive, os $100 so even with all the hardare and os x360 cost just as much as a good pc.

what console fans don;t get is x360 still costs what it cost at launch while back then a dual core procesor costed you $800nzd while now it will cost you $150nzd for the same cpu, same goes for the gpu, ram etc etc pc prices drop very fas unlike console prices

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#2 Verge_6
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1) Why in God's name did you include the rechargable battery packs, and WHY is the 360 listed at $720?

2) Are you True_Gamers_ alt?

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learn to type before you make threads.
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ahhh boy you must think people are stupid...

A. You honestly think a cheap $50's case PSU voltage lines are gonan hold up to a dual core DX9/DX10 setup? I don't think so...

B. Where in the hell do you get 720 for a 360? It's 400 if you wanna include the HDD...and you don't need to spend $40 on a battery kit...but good try adding cost. You could argue the online costs, but what if somebody don't play online that much?

Face it, the PC has a higher wall on cost, your assumpion is that every gamer is spending what you throw on here. I build PC's as a hobby...facts are facts...consoles are a better value over a longer period of time. PC technology just moves to rapidly, and while they are more powerful, they are NEVER fully used to the potential due to lowest common denomintor.

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#5 Metroid_Time
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Plus 50 dollars more and you can hook a 360 controller up to your computer in case you don't like keybaord/mouse.
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#6 Metroid_Time
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B. Where in the hell do you get 720 for a 360? It's 400 if you wanna include the HDD...and you don't need to spend $40 on a battery kit...but good try adding cost. You could argue the online costs, but what if somebody don't play online that much?

 

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-_- It's new zealand prices obviously. 

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I never buy a case with a power supply. Power supplies should be bought separately. And yes, you could build that PC with a bunch of no name parts, but why? cheaping out on a crappy MB and a weak power supply will only hurt you in the long run. I would never build a PC with those specs. If you can't do it right don't do it at all. It will only wind up costing you more in the long run.
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I never buy a case with a power supply. Power supplies should be bought separately. And yes, you could build that PC with a bunch of no name parts, but why? cheaping out on a crappy MB and a weak power supply will only hurt you in the long run. I would never build a PC with those specs. If you can't do it right don't do it at all. It will only wind up costing you more in the long run.heretrix

 It really steams me when people try to pull this kind of crap off. Adding stuff like BATTERY PACKS to the consoles and using the prices of cheap, inferior products for the PC...makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

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#9 makemeweak
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TC is right, as far as getting graphics on par with console games. It doesn't take much of a machine at all to run games in "HD". 1080p - it would be terrible if we had to limit our games on PC to resolutions as low as 1080p.  There isn't (and probably will never be) a console game that wouldn't run better on a PC (assuming it was optimized to do so). Plus, PC games encompass a greater variety of genres, which is a nice bonus. I think my wife might play 360 if it had a mouse and spider solitaire. Good thing it doesn't, though because then I would have to share.
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People don't seem to understand that consoles cost a lot more in territories outside of the US. In NZ it's much better to just build a gaming PC. In the US, it's cheaper and more convenient to buy a console for most people.
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#11 SKOPY291
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Hey man... you forgot the price of Vista. I'd also factor in the convenience charge of having a console, for some people constantly upgrading their computer to get the most out of their gaming and then making sure everything works properly just isn't something they want, nor have the time to learn how to do. And as I said if you're upgrading your PC at least once a year to keep up with the changing suggested specs you're dumping more into a system which isn't an option for most PC gamers. Personally, I believe that you'll eventually spend more on a computer and that's okay because you can get a lot out of a computer.
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#12 SKOPY291
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People don't seem to understand that consoles cost a lot more in territories outside of the US. In NZ it's much better to just build a gaming PC. In the US, it's cheaper and more convenient to buy a console for most people.Coldplay07

This is a good point... I wish I would have had the foresight to make a comment about that. I still believe that in the same time as a console cycle you could still end up paying more updating your computer to keep up then you would in a console. It all depends how much you're willing to spend in half a decades time

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TC is right, as far as getting graphics on par with console games. It doesn't take much of a machine at all to run games in "HD". 1080p - it would be terrible if we had to limit our games on PC to resolutions as low as 1080p.makemeweak

Are you talking about 2560x1600?

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[QUOTE="makemeweak"]TC is right, as far as getting graphics on par with console games. It doesn't take much of a machine at all to run games in "HD". 1080p - it would be terrible if we had to limit our games on PC to resolutions as low as 1080p.ball_of_air

Are you talking about 2560x1600?

I don't think many people game at that high a res.
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#15 ball_of_air
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[QUOTE="ball_of_air"]

[QUOTE="makemeweak"]TC is right, as far as getting graphics on par with console games. It doesn't take much of a machine at all to run games in "HD". 1080p - it would be terrible if we had to limit our games on PC to resolutions as low as 1080p.achilles614

Are you talking about 2560x1600?

I don't think many people game at that high a res.

Yeah, but it can be done.

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The only problem in my case is find a good Nvidia Gforce and a new Intel Dual core or Quad core Extreme  but unfortunately there isn't a computer store near to where i live so i can only buy them on my vacations or by import.

Also that i only want it to play Crysis and WoW.

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here in nz ps3 $1200, x360 $720 + $40 for recaragbke battery pack

amd 64 3800x2 $105

320gb hdd $130

memory $60 per 1gig chip

7900gs $240/ 8600gt $205

mother board $100

case and p/s $50

dvd writter $45 

so $635 for a good gaming pc, so explain how pc gaming is expencive?  pkus $100 vs $130 for games or $130 vs $60 if you buy games on steam or dircet 2 drive, os $100 so even with all the hardare and os x360 cost just as much as a good pc.

what console fans don;t get is x360 still costs what it cost at launch while back then a dual core procesor costed you $800nzd while now it will cost you $150nzd for the same cpu, same goes for the gpu, ram etc etc pc prices drop very fas unlike console prices

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Cheap !!! LOL Im sure you have ever played Lost Planet or Dirt. In my mind, PC is cheaper because I can work and do all things which not console can do.
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[QUOTE="Coldplay07"]People don't seem to understand that consoles cost a lot more in territories outside of the US. In NZ it's much better to just build a gaming PC. In the US, it's cheaper and more convenient to buy a console for most people.SKOPY291

This is a good point... I wish I would have had the foresight to make a comment about that. I still believe that in the same time as a console cycle you could still end up paying more updating your computer to keep up then you would in a console. It all depends how much you're willing to spend in half a decades time

Not really. You don't need to upgrade more often than every two years. So you will end up spending about 1800$ on hardware through whole console gen.Now...with PC you can use all you old accessories, with consoles you have to buy new pads, wheels, cables etc every time .On PC online gaming is free, on 360 you have to pay.But the biggest diffrence is in game prices. In Europe console games cost a bit aroufn 30$ more than PC ones. Even if you buy merely one game each month you will still end up spending around 2000$ more for console games than you would on PC for the same ammount of games. THat's more than enough for upgrades in 6 years

US and Japan are bassicaly the only places where console gaming is truly cheaper than Pc gaming(altough even there the diffrence is getting smaller). It's funny that people bash PCgaming for being expensive and yet in most poor or medium rich countries PCgaming dwarfs console gaming in popularity. 

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Hey man... you forgot the price of Vista. I'd also factor in the convenience charge of having a console, for some people constantly upgrading their computer to get the most out of their gaming and then making sure everything works properly just isn't something they want, nor have the time to learn how to do. And as I said if you're upgrading your PC at least once a year to keep up with the changing suggested specs you're dumping more into a system which isn't an option for most PC gamers. Personally, I believe that you'll eventually spend more on a computer and that's okay because you can get a lot out of a computer. SKOPY291

 You wouldn't need Vista to match the graphics of console games, just XP or Linux. Also, you wouldn't need to upgrade to keep on the same playing field as consoles, only if you wanted something that could do better. I believe TC's point is that console quality graphics don't require a huge investment, not that PC gaming isn't expensive to upgrade.

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My gaming PC cost me around $1,500s, I asked experts if I could get a good gaming PC with $700-$800 and almost all of them said no which is already more expensive than consoles. With $600 invested in a gaming PC you can not get graphics like the PS3, nor with a $400 gaming PC can you get graphics like the 360. Overall consoles are just plain out cheaper and you don't need to worry about running a game but in the end if you pimp out your PC you can get amazing results that are beyond consoles like Crysis.

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It's cheap if you only want to play FPS, RPG and RTS. Sadly i like a lot more games than that and there is no way you can build a nice PC with the price of a 360.
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[QUOTE="SKOPY291"]Hey man... you forgot the price of Vista. I'd also factor in the convenience charge of having a console, for some people constantly upgrading their computer to get the most out of their gaming and then making sure everything works properly just isn't something they want, nor have the time to learn how to do. And as I said if you're upgrading your PC at least once a year to keep up with the changing suggested specs you're dumping more into a system which isn't an option for most PC gamers. Personally, I believe that you'll eventually spend more on a computer and that's okay because you can get a lot out of a computer. makemeweak

You wouldn't need Vista to match the graphics of console games, just XP or Linux. Also, you wouldn't need to upgrade to keep on the same playing field as consoles, only if you wanted something that could do better. I believe TC's point is that console quality graphics don't require a huge investment, not that PC gaming isn't expensive to upgrade.

I did miss that part about console graphics... I still believe it is a valid point... perhaps not as much for this board as I originally thought

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Epic said GeOW possible on PC in five years.

LOL at hermits

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1) Why in God's name did you include the rechargable battery packs, and WHY is the 360 listed at $720?

2) Are you True_Gamers_ alt?

Verge_6

Yeah he likes to make the same topic every week:?

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1) Why in God's name did you include the rechargable battery packs, and WHY is the 360 listed at $720?

2) Are you True_Gamers_ alt?

Verge_6

they are new zealand prices. what are you going to play with when you have flat batteries?

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[QUOTE="heretrix"]I never buy a case with a power supply. Power supplies should be bought separately. And yes, you could build that PC with a bunch of no name parts, but why? cheaping out on a crappy MB and a weak power supply will only hurt you in the long run. I would never build a PC with those specs. If you can't do it right don't do it at all. It will only wind up costing you more in the long run.Verge_6

It really steams me when people try to pull this kind of crap off. Adding stuff like BATTERY PACKS to the consoles and using the prices of cheap, inferior products for the PC...makes me ashamed to be a PC gamer.

and the 360 has the best hardware ever, you can't play your 360 with no power in your controller

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Hey man... you forgot the price of Vista. I'd also factor in the convenience charge of having a console, for some people constantly upgrading their computer to get the most out of their gaming and then making sure everything works properly just isn't something they want, nor have the time to learn how to do. And as I said if you're upgrading your PC at least once a year to keep up with the changing suggested specs you're dumping more into a system which isn't an option for most PC gamers. Personally, I believe that you'll eventually spend more on a computer and that's okay because you can get a lot out of a computer. SKOPY291

add another $120nzd then

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Don't ever buy a cheap power supply. Trust me. :o

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#29 imprezawrx500
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Don't ever buy a cheap power supply. Trust me. :o

PS3_3DO

true but it doesn't take much relablity to match the amazing relability of the 360. When the 360's stop breaking down then I may get one. the 360 p/s is much worse than even a generic p/s, not to mention its terrable cooling system, a headsink off a radeon x300 for its gpu :lol: 2 tiny 40mm fans which hardly move air unless you want a screming noise. A power brick should be able to be chucked in the cable mess but not with x360

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#30 smokeydabear076
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Epic said GeOW possible on PC in five years.

LOL at hermits

dimar19
But UT3 has "Gears Plus Graphics" and it is coming out sooner than 5 years.;)
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[QUOTE="dimar19"]

Epic said GeOW possible on PC in five years.

LOL at hermits

smokeydabear076
But UT3 has "Gears Plus Graphics" and it is coming out sooner than 5 years.;)

Epic said GeOW possible on PC in five years.

LOL at hermits

dimar19

lets not forget epic also said the 360 is a "low to mid end" PC.

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My gaming PC cost me around $1,500s, I asked experts if I could get a good gaming PC with $700-$800 and almost all of them said no which is already more expensive than consoles. With $600 invested in a gaming PC you can not get graphics like the PS3, nor with a $400 gaming PC can you get graphics like the 360. Overall consoles are just plain out cheaper and you don't need to worry about running a game but in the end if you pimp out your PC you can get amazing results that are beyond consoles like Crysis.

Jin_the_samurai

But with a $400/$600 upgrade, you absolutely can.

That's what buying a console is. An upgrade. You ditch the Xbox and buy a 360.

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here in nz ps3 $1200, x360 $720 + $40 for recaragbke battery pack

amd 64 3800x2 $105

320gb hdd $130

memory $60 per 1gig chip

7900gs $240/ 8600gt $205

mother board $100

case and p/s $50

dvd writter $45

so $635 for a good gaming pc, so explain how pc gaming is expencive? pkus $100 vs $130 for games or $130 vs $60 if you buy games on steam or dircet 2 drive, os $100 so even with all the hardare and os x360 cost just as much as a good pc.

what console fans don;t get is x360 still costs what it cost at launch while back then a dual core procesor costed you $800nzd while now it will cost you $150nzd for the same cpu, same goes for the gpu, ram etc etc pc prices drop very fas unlike console prices

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