ODST... how did this score higher then 8.5?

I'm currently on the 4th mission. So far, I really do enjoy the game. However, I cannot for the life of my understand how it could score higher then an 8.5.

ODST does one thing well, it has a pretty good story. It gives you a great background in the lives of the every day soldier in the Halo universe. The slightly more gritty and mature feel to the story really has a nice appeal to it, compared to Halo's main storyline, which to me has always felt a bit uninspired.

However... that aside, it really is Halo 3: ODST. It feels, by all means, an expansion pack that full price.

Gameplay wise, what is new? Nothing, aside from having your life being less dispensable, not having dual wielding, and enemies being noticably tougher to take down. Now, one might argue that the gun fights in the city are new and add a twist. However, I would argue that aspect of the gameplay feels very tacked on. As a story elements it's great, however as a gameplay element it is not.

It really feels like the sub-team at Bungie were really only going to release these mini-stories as addons, but then desided... hey, lets tie them all together, and sell it at full price.

I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point -- at a full $60, and a score of 9.0 at Gamespot, I can only raise my eyebrows. I almost feel like they are mocking customers for calling Halo 3, Halo 2.5 by releasing this Halo 2.5.1 content patch.

How much something costs doesn't affect it's quality. Whether I get a 09 Benz for $50 or $50,000 its still a damn good card. Same goes for ODST. Many many great games aren't worth $60, and do nothing new. They are still great though.nmaharg

I love how many people bashing this game on it's price would probably also admit that they have GT5P (not directed towards the TC, but could still hold true). I bought ODST on launch and I still find it to be far more worth my money compared to MANY other "full" titles. $60 for ODST is a steal when you consider just how much content is included. $40 for GT5P is a complete rip off when you look at how few cars and tracks are included in this so called demo. :|Nedemis

The price is only one aspect of the problem with ODST, and it's related score on GS. One that is definitely one that is important to consider when rating a game, given that it is essentially a recommendation that is being made by a critic.

My nephew bought a copy, once I get my 360 from the shop I'll make sure to try it out and make up my own opinion on it. :)

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]How much something costs doesn't affect it's quality. Whether I get a 09 Benz for $50 or $50,000 its still a damn good card. Same goes for ODST. Many many great games aren't worth $60, and do nothing new. They are still great though.SquatsAreAwesom

I'm currently on the 4th mission. So far, I really do enjoy the game. However, I cannot for the life of my understand how it could score higher then an 8.5.

ODST does one thing well, it has a pretty good story. It gives you a great background in the lives of the every day soldier in the Halo universe. The slightly more gritty and mature feel to the story really has a nice appeal to it, compared to Halo's main storyline, which to me has always felt a bit uninspired.

However... that aside, it really is Halo 3: ODST. It feels, by all means, an expansion pack that full price.

Gameplay wise, what is new? Nothing, aside from having your life being less dispensable, not having dual wielding, and enemies being noticably tougher to take down. Now, one might argue that the gun fights in the city are new and add a twist. However, I would argue that aspect of the gameplay feels very tacked on. As a story elements it's great, however as a gameplay element it is not.

It really feels like the sub-team at Bungie were really only going to release these mini-stories as addons, but then desided... hey, lets tie them all together, and sell it at full price.

I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point -- at a full $60, and a score of 9.0 at Gamespot, I can only raise my eyebrows. I almost feel like they are mocking customers for calling Halo 3, Halo 2.5 by releasing this Halo 2.5.1 content patch.

SquatsAreAwesom

I'm currently on the 4th mission. So far, I really do enjoy the game. However, I cannot for the life of my understand how it could score higher then an 8.5.

ODST does one thing well, it has a pretty good story. It gives you a great background in the lives of the every day soldier in the Halo universe. The slightly more gritty and mature feel to the story really has a nice appeal to it, compared to Halo's main storyline, which to me has always felt a bit uninspired.

However... that aside, it really is Halo 3: ODST. It feels, by all means, an expansion pack that full price.

Gameplay wise, what is new? Nothing, aside from having your life being less dispensable, not having dual wielding, and enemies being noticably tougher to take down. Now, one might argue that the gun fights in the city are new and add a twist. However, I would argue that aspect of the gameplay feels very tacked on. As a story elements it's great, however as a gameplay element it is not.

It really feels like the sub-team at Bungie were really only going to release these mini-stories as addons, but then desided... hey, lets tie them all together, and sell it at full price.

I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point -- at a full $60, and a score of 9.0 at Gamespot, I can only raise my eyebrows. I almost feel like they are mocking customers for calling Halo 3, Halo 2.5 by releasing this Halo 2.5.1 content patch.

SquatsAreAwesom

i agree. Lol none of my friends bought it. Whichi s wierd cz they all love halo.

Read the review and find out for yourself. :)Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]How much something costs doesn't affect it's quality. Whether I get a 09 Benz for $50 or $50,000 its still a damn good card. Same goes for ODST. Many many great games aren't worth $60, and do nothing new. They are still great though.SquatsAreAwesom

I love how many people bashing this game on it's price would probably also admit that they have GT5P (not directed towards the TC, but could still hold true). I bought ODST on launch and I still find it to be far more worth my money compared to MANY other "full" titles. $60 for ODST is a steal when you consider just how much content is included. $40 for GT5P is a complete rip off when you look at how few cars and tracks are included in this so called demo. :|Nedemis

The price is only one aspect of the problem with ODST, and it's related score on GS. One that is definitely one that is important to consider when rating a game, given that it is essentially a recommendation that is being made by a critic.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="nmaharg"]How much something costs doesn't affect it's quality. Whether I get a 09 Benz for $50 or $50,000 its still a damn good card. Same goes for ODST. Many many great games aren't worth $60, and do nothing new. They are still great though.nmaharg

I love how many people bashing this game on it's price would probably also admit that they have GT5P (not directed towards the TC, but could still hold true). I bought ODST on launch and I still find it to be far more worth my money compared to MANY other "full" titles. $60 for ODST is a steal when you consider just how much content is included. $40 for GT5P is a complete rip off when you look at how few cars and tracks are included in this so called demo. :|Nedemis

Your comparison would make sense if GT5P was an expansion to a year old game that still cost 60$ but that is not the case so your comparison fails.

On topic:

To answer your question, what would happen if they DID score it 8.5 or less? Well let's just say some games seem to be required to be scored a certian way by reviews at GS.

:wink: *looks at what happend to Jeff Gastsman*

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

I'm currently on the 4th mission. So far, I really do enjoy the game. However, I cannot for the life of my understand how it could score higher then an 8.5.

ODST does one thing well, it has a pretty good story. It gives you a great background in the lives of the every day soldier in the Halo universe. The slightly more gritty and mature feel to the story really has a nice appeal to it, compared to Halo's main storyline, which to me has always felt a bit uninspired.

However... that aside, it really is Halo 3: ODST. It feels, by all means, an expansion pack that full price.

Gameplay wise, what is new? Nothing, aside from having your life being less dispensable, not having dual wielding, and enemies being noticably tougher to take down. Now, one might argue that the gun fights in the city are new and add a twist. However, I would argue that aspect of the gameplay feels very tacked on. As a story elements it's great, however as a gameplay element it is not.

It really feels like the sub-team at Bungie were really only going to release these mini-stories as addons, but then desided... hey, lets tie them all together, and sell it at full price.

I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point -- at a full $60, and a score of 9.0 at Gamespot, I can only raise my eyebrows. I almost feel like they are mocking customers for calling Halo 3, Halo 2.5 by releasing this Halo 2.5.1 content patch.

Cicatraz_ESP

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] That doesn't address my post at all.SquatsAreAwesom

the person meant that you are implying that odst isnt worth the 60$ or of that score (9.0). However, he believes that even for its price of 60$ its worth it.


My opinion: Nope, i dont believe odst is worht it. Theres hardly any changes. I mean come on (same MP maps), thats really sad. and im sure adding 1 new mode wasnt hard espeically since they used the same engine.

The only thing that comes with the 60$ is the short campaign. Which i personally think isnt worth it. but then again, enough people do.

i think its just based on opinion and because tis HALO, everyone who has a 360 will like it.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] You feel the game does nothing new and you imply it's overpriced. It address the main points of your post just fine.Ribnarak

the person meant that you are implying that odst isnt worth the 60$ or of that score (9.0). However, he believes that even for its price of 60$ its worth it.


My opinion: Nope, i dont believe odst is worht it. Theres hardly any changes. I mean come on (same MP maps), thats really sad. and im sure adding 1 new mode wasnt hard espeically since they used the same engine.

The only thing that comes with the 60$ is the short campaign. Which i personally think isnt worth it. but then again, enough people do.

i think its just based on opinion and because tis HALO, everyone who has a 360 will like it.

Ah... well if that is the case. Thumbs up for him, I'm glad he paid for something he enjoys.

I do generally agree with your opinion.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] You didn't even say anything of substance... quality isn't effected by price. Grats. How does that directly address anything I said in my post? You might as well have said, "I have a bird on my head, you're wrong".SquatsAreAwesom

Fans can do whatever they want. However, the fanfare should not effect a review and it's score.

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"]

[QUOTE="nmaharg"] "I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point --..." It seemed you needed a lesson in this simple concept. Whether it was $40, $60, or $100 why shouldn't fans of the game enjoy it?nmaharg

Fans can do whatever they want. However, the fanfare should not effect a review and it's score.

really, the only thing that angers me about it is that if i pay 60$ for a game, i would like matchmaking, its a serious turn off. A longer campaignwould be nice too but it was pretty good.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"][QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"] I don't even know where to begin with you. Quite simply, you did not comprehend my post. I never stated, or implied that price effects quality. The only person who needs a lesson is yourself in simple reading comprehension, and a bit of logic. One of the two is failing hardcore right now.

Fans can do whatever they want. However, the fanfare should not effect a review and it's score.

SquatsAreAwesom

[QUOTE="SquatsAreAwesom"][QUOTE="nmaharg"] I could understand if GS's score was bloated, but ODST has a mid 80s meta critic. How did you come to the conclusion that fanfare effected the score?nmaharg

Its rather simple. You start with 8.5 and then add .5 to that. You end up with 9.0. Simply put, the reviewer thought it was deserving.

Its rather simple. You start with 8.5 and then add .5 to that. You end up with 9.0. Simply put, the reviewer thought it was deserving.

ActicEdge

It still has more content then heaps of full titles out there. Plus your value will be quite different dependant on your stastus:

If you:

Dont own original Halo 3: Great Value (comes with ODST and halo 3 multiplayer experience)

Own Halo 3 but no DLC: Good Value (All the DLC plus new maps)

Have halo 3 DLCs Normal value ( just 3 new maps and campaign)

But the game is still awesome and better priced then alot of 'full games' regardless of your current status

I'm currently on the 4th mission. So far, I really do enjoy the game. However, I cannot for the life of my understand how it could score higher then an 8.5.

ODST does one thing well, it has a pretty good story. It gives you a great background in the lives of the every day soldier in the Halo universe. The slightly more gritty and mature feel to the story really has a nice appeal to it, compared to Halo's main storyline, which to me has always felt a bit uninspired.

However... that aside, it really is Halo 3: ODST. It feels, by all means, an expansion pack that full price.

Gameplay wise, what is new? Nothing, aside from having your life being less dispensable, not having dual wielding, and enemies being noticably tougher to take down. Now, one might argue that the gun fights in the city are new and add a twist. However, I would argue that aspect of the gameplay feels very tacked on. As a story elements it's great, however as a gameplay element it is not.

It really feels like the sub-team at Bungie were really only going to release these mini-stories as addons, but then desided... hey, lets tie them all together, and sell it at full price.

I think what shocks me the most is, that those who are huge fans in the series are so complacent with it. At $40, I would have conceded this point -- at a full $60, and a score of 9.0 at Gamespot, I can only raise my eyebrows. I almost feel like they are mocking customers for calling Halo 3, Halo 2.5 by releasing this Halo 2.5.1 content patch.

SquatsAreAwesom

Why don't you just read the review?

I'm pretty sure you'll find a better answer there than in SW.

Becuase Gamespot, much like BSO, liked it more than you did. It's called an opinion. I know, frickin' crazy.

because the reviewer deemed it worthy of AAA?

lol, ahhh poor cows still sore over this one? Don't worry guys U2 is only days away.

Its a mercy score, GS wanted the 360 to have at least one game this year that was highly rated. Im sure MS payed GS to give it a 9.0djsifer01

How much something costs doesn't affect it's quality. Whether I get a 09 Benz for $50 or $50,000 its still a damn good card. Same goes for ODST. Many many great games aren't worth $60, and do nothing new. They are still great though.nmaharg

The fact that I paid the same price for this game as I did for Halo 3 two years ago is a travesty.

This game does not offer even close to the amount of new content that Halo 3 did. Halo 3 introduced Theater. Halo 3 introduced 4-player co-op. Halo 3 introduced 90% of the maps included on this game's second disk. Halo 3 introduced all the weapons and enemies in ODST.

ODST is just cashing in on all of the successes that Halo 3 brought to the table and THAT is worth SIXTY DOLLARS?

Firefight? That can only hold my interest for so long...it's just not a long-lived multiplayer component like the main competitive Halo 3 multiplayer is...it has no matchmaking...it has no competition...it's practically just a leaderboard for killing enemies with a couple of friends for 2 hours, and it's fun while it lasts, but how many times can you do this with your friends before all of you get bored of it? It just doesn't have the longevity it needs to excuse the lack of new content.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aUyF_2SZtM

Cold, hard truth.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Read the review and find out for yourself. :)Duckyindiana

I liked it. I found the music, atmosphere and sense of isolation to be superb. One of my favourite Halo campaigns ever.

I do agree that it was overpriced though.

Still AAA to me.