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The president has called upon centers for disease control to conduct more tests on the connection between digital and real world violence.

"The Obama administration is calling on Congress to allocate $10 million for the CDC to conduct its research. Vice President Joe Biden met with gaming leaders--including Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello and Entertainment Software Association president Michael Gallagher--last week to discuss gun violence."

I think this is dumb, why pick on us over all this crap. Videogames don't kill people, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no correlation between violent video games and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

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I hope they ban Zelda
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

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i would love to see this but it wont happen. either it will be biased or if the results are not what they want they will bury the study.
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Tax money hard at work..
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77
yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.
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I hope they ban Zeldathemajormayor
Lol
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

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This. We'll finally have a study that serves as the nail in the coffin of the myth that video games cause or even facilitate real-world violence.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

WilliamRLBaker
yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.
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#11 OB-47
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How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

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How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

OB-47
Or examining the way our society treats the mentally ill. Nah, those ideas make too much sense.
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77
Except these things are never that simple. The "researchers" will probably be threatened that their funding will be cut off if they don't show a link between videogames and violence. Videogames are the new Rock music.
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How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

OB-47
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/17/us/politics/obama-to-ask-congress-to-toughen-gun-laws.html?hp&_r=0 You should try watching/reading the news.
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Good thing I already bought Far Cry 3. I'm sure PETA and the ASPCA aren't happy with the game either.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

Plagueless
Except these things are never that simple. The "researchers" will probably be threatened that their funding will be cut off if they don't show a link between videogames and violence. Videogames are the new Rock music.

I sincerely doubt that.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

princeofshapeir
yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

He's right though, considering how much pressure can be applied on your government from private organisations, I really don't see how this is going to change anything. If the study finds things that doesn't fit someone's agenda then the study will be written off.
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[QUOTE="OB-47"]

How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

PannicAtack
Or examining the way our society treats the mentally ill. Nah, those ideas make too much sense.

They're doing all those things, too, shockingly.
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77

Politically charged demand for more research utilizing government run organizations is just begging for a massive amount of bias in favor of whoever is paying the bill.

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How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

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Because all that does is hurt the law-abiding citizens. If I'm a crazy thug who wants to shoot a bunch of people, do you really think I'd go to the local gun store and submit to a background check to get a licensed firearm? Hell no. I'd buy unlicensed guns from the other thug on the corner.
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

He's right though, considering how much pressure can be applied on your government from private organisations, I really don't see how this is going to change anything. If the study finds things that doesn't fit someone's agenda then the study will be written off.

This is so naive it makes my brain hurt. You can't seriously believe the NRA has ethereal tendrils wrapped around the CDC preventing them from conducting fair research. They may do so for congressional Republicans, but believe it or not their influence is limited.
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

He's right though, considering how much pressure can be applied on your government from private organisations, I really don't see how this is going to change anything. If the study finds things that doesn't fit someone's agenda then the study will be written off.

I doubt that a study ordered by the President and undertaken at the CDC will be influenced by private organizations.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

Wasdie

Politically charged demand for more research utilizing government run organizations is just begging for a massive amount of bias in favor of whoever is paying the bill.

Which in this case, is the federal government. I don't see the issue. Unless you think Obama wants the CDC to publish specific things.
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="OB-47"]

How about tightening up the gun laws or something.

DarkLink77

Or examining the way our society treats the mentally ill. Nah, those ideas make too much sense.

They're doing all those things, too, shockingly.

tbh sounds like the guy is doing the right thing researching video games. He's doing the mentally ill thing, tigtening up gun laws and just doing some research on video games. If the research shows no link he can rule them out. I don't think he has a prejudice against games or anything.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Here comes the pothead.

He's right though, considering how much pressure can be applied on your government from private organisations, I really don't see how this is going to change anything. If the study finds things that doesn't fit someone's agenda then the study will be written off.

I doubt that a study ordered by the President and undertaken at the CDC will be influenced by private organizations.

The fact that this study has even been ordered is bad enough. They did the same thing with music and with movies and guess what, nothing happened.
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#28 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="clyde46"] He's right though, considering how much pressure can be applied on your government from private organisations, I really don't see how this is going to change anything. If the study finds things that doesn't fit someone's agenda then the study will be written off.

I doubt that a study ordered by the President and undertaken at the CDC will be influenced by private organizations.

The fact that this study has even been ordered is bad enough. They did the same thing with music and with movies and guess what, nothing happened.

No disagreement, but if we can bury this sh!t once and for all, I'm all for it.
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Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

Rocker6

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

Man, the conspiracy theories are out in force today.
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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77

Politically charged demand for more research utilizing government run organizations is just begging for a massive amount of bias in favor of whoever is paying the bill.

Which in this case, is the federal government. I don't see the issue. Unless you think Obama wants the CDC to publish specific things.

Not Obama, but the whole government in general loves scapegoats so there could be a push for making video games out to be the enemy.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

Rocker6

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

Just like the link between music and violence which showed no evidence? Right...

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Wasdie"]

Politically charged demand for more research utilizing government run organizations is just begging for a massive amount of bias in favor of whoever is paying the bill.

Wasdie

Which in this case, is the federal government. I don't see the issue. Unless you think Obama wants the CDC to publish specific things.

Not Obama, but the whole government in general loves scapegoats so there could be a push for making video games out to be the enemy.

Yeah, but they've done this sort of thing before and been honest about it, so I don't think it'll happen.
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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

Man, the conspiracy theories are out in force today.

Nah, I honestly hope I'm wrong, I also want this matter of blaming video games for everything put to rest, but I reserve my right to remain skeptical...

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There is no legit way to link video games to violent crime. I mean, there have been time periods in history where people watched real physical violence and that did not lead to violent crime, why would video games. Even then, even if some thinly veiled correlation can be made between games and violence its so impossible to prove causation. They can complain all that want but under this stupid thought process you can argue that the rise in violent video games has lowered the amount of crime in america since actualcrime rates are declining, not rising :|

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[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

DarkLink77

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

Man, the conspiracy theories are out in force today.

I don't see it as a conspiracy, its how things are done in politics. They are looking for a scapegoat to try and move away from issue at hand. Happens in every political country. I don't doubt for a second that the research will done fairly, its just what happens afterwards. How the politicians will try and twist the findings to suit whatever agenda they have.
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*pops in video game into system*

*starts killing off dozens of enemies*

government worker: "yup, this is violence"

*bans video games forever*

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#38 hayato_
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Cool.

I used to work with a professor in college that did this type of research in media studies. Pretty cool looking at some of the points and criticisms when looking at the exposure of violent video games and its demographics. I know she would be happy to read this article and do even more case studies and such with some funding. :D. Almost makes me want to try and get my masters in this subject.

Also, for the record I do believe their is a link between violent video games and peoples perceptions and certain actions, although it has been 3 years since I got my bachelors in Mass Communication theory.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

princeofshapeir
yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

except ive never smoked pot in my life due to the fact im allergic to thc....
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

except ive never smoked pot in my life due to the fact im allergic to thc....

That only makes it worse bro
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Instead of putting resources into research of mental illness. Then again, you get what you pay for.

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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

This research is backed by a painfully obvious agenda... skewed results and questionable methods are the order of the day here, I'd say...

clyde46
Man, the conspiracy theories are out in force today.

I don't see it as a conspiracy, its how things are done in politics. They are looking for a scapegoat to try and move away from issue at hand. Happens in every political country. I don't doubt for a second that the research will done fairly, its just what happens afterwards. How the politicians will try and twist the findings to suit whatever agenda they have.

They can't twist much if there's nothing to twist.
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Instead of putting resources into research of mental illness. Then again, you get what you pay for.

slimjimbadboy
They did that, too.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Man, the conspiracy theories are out in force today.

I don't see it as a conspiracy, its how things are done in politics. They are looking for a scapegoat to try and move away from issue at hand. Happens in every political country. I don't doubt for a second that the research will done fairly, its just what happens afterwards. How the politicians will try and twist the findings to suit whatever agenda they have.

They can't twist much if there's nothing to twist.

Two things will happen. The study finds no link, politicians will question the study and then try to get it thrown out. Or two, the study does find a connection, said politicians will then use it to try and ban violent games.
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A brief look at some evidence points to inconclusive findings thus far.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11126-007-9056-9?LI=true#page-1

http://pss.sagepub.com/content/12/5/353.short

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-2958.2001.tb00787.x/abstract

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/2010-03383-001

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140197103000927

If the scientists conducting the study have integrity then you won't have to worry about any bias whatever. If bias were introduced due to financials then this is a conflict of interest and the author must register this in the manuscript when it is sent for publication.

Besides, if all the evidence from these federal studies is contrary to what other universities around the globe have found, it might just mean that the environment of America propogates real-life violence from video games better than the environments of other countries.

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#46 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="clyde46"] I don't see it as a conspiracy, its how things are done in politics. They are looking for a scapegoat to try and move away from issue at hand. Happens in every political country. I don't doubt for a second that the research will done fairly, its just what happens afterwards. How the politicians will try and twist the findings to suit whatever agenda they have.

They can't twist much if there's nothing to twist.

Two things will happen. The study finds no link, politicians will question the study and then try to get it thrown out. Or two, the study does find a connection, said politicians will then use it to try and ban violent games.

Or three, the study finds no link, and there's enough honest people left in the world that it's accepted.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

princeofshapeir

yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.

Here comes the pothead.

What's wrong with smoking pot?

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#48 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] yeah....federal studies are rarely objective or truthful.DrKillByDeath84

Here comes the pothead.

What's wrong with smoking pot?

Well, it is illegal. Not that I care whether or not you smoke. Just sayin'.
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#49 deactivated-59b71619573a1
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Good. Let 'em. Then when we have a federally-funded study that proves that there is no causative relationship between violent video games (or any media) and real world violence, maybe people will shut the f*ck up.

Wasdie

Politically charged demand for more research utilizing government run organizations is just begging for a massive amount of bias in favor of whoever is paying the bill.

Yeah I think even if they find a tiny tiny little bit of evidence they will blow it out of proportion just so they can show everyone they found something.

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#50 clyde46
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They can't twist much if there's nothing to twist.

Two things will happen. The study finds no link, politicians will question the study and then try to get it thrown out. Or two, the study does find a connection, said politicians will then use it to try and ban violent games.

Or three, the study finds no link, and there's enough honest people left in the world that it's accepted.

We can only hope that there are some people left in your government that can put 2 and 2 together.