Nvidia CEO says Radeon VII is "underwhelming"

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#51 Edited by ronvalencia (26665 posts) -

@nfamouslegend said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techradar.com/amp/news/amds-radeon-vii-graphics-card-dismissed-as-underwhelming-by-nvidia

Nvidia CEO has said the performance is lousy and brings nothing new, is he right? This might be the first time in a long time that I agree with Nvidia but he is right. It is a glorified GTX 1080 ti but 2 years late. It's priced too high and AMD should no better. For $700 like the 2080 but has no RT or Tensor cores. Its manufactured on a state of the art 7nm process but still absolutely power hungry and it seems AMD still can't figure out how to get past the 64CU wall with GCN. Even though Nvidia is a greedy company with overpriced products, I expect when they move to 7nm geforce the results will be very impressive.

Thoughts?

https://tomclancy-thedivision.ubisoft.com/game/en-us/news-updates/342087/the-division-2-pc-features-specs-detailed

Elite – 4K | 60 FPS

  • OS: Windows 7 | 8 | 10
  • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X | Intel Core I9-7900X
  • RAM: 16 GB
  • GPU: AMD Radeon VII | Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 TI
  • VRAM: 11 GB
  • DIRECT X: DirectX 11 | 12

Using past history with The Division v1 and Ghost Recon: Wildlands benchmarks

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#52 Edited by Yams1980 (3139 posts) -

Can't AMD reverse engineer Nvidias 10xx and 20xx cards and find out the magic sauce that makes them so power efficient?

At 7nm their cards should be using less power, they are doing something wrong. So thier new cards use 300 watts and on top of this also uses the more power efficient HBM memory yet still is a power hog ?

And the 1080ti uses 250 watts max and has been out 2 years before.... this doesn't make sense for AMD to continue to fail so much in the gpu market.

Aren't Nvidia and AMD CEO's cousins? Can't the Nvidia CEO throw her a bone and give some help?

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#53 Edited by ronvalencia (26665 posts) -

@Yams1980 said:

Can't AMD reverse engineer Nvidias 10xx and 20xx cards and find out the magic sauce that makes them so power efficient?

At 7nm their cards should be using less power, they are doing something wrong. So thier new cards use 300 watts and on top of this also uses the more power efficient HBM memory yet still is a power hog ?

And the 1080ti uses 250 watts max and has been out 2 years before.... this doesn't make sense for AMD to continue to fail so much in the gpu market.

Aren't Nvidia and AMD CEO's cousins? Can't the Nvidia CEO throw her a bone and give some help?

GTX 1080 Ti has 3584 CUDA cores / 64 stream processor cores = 56 CU equivalent. With reduced CU count, NVIDIA can afford higher clock speed to increase rasterization hardware's performance.

GTX 1080 Ti doesn't have Vega transistor wastage

1. High bandwidth cache. This is mostly a workstation feature.

2. Zero support for FP16 processing.

GTX 1080 Ti has 88 ROPS with six raster engines against Vega 64 has 64 ROPS with four raster engines, hence Vega 64 has GTX 1080 level classic GPU hardware at lower clock speeds while Vega 64 relies on higher TFLOPS to lower time to completion.

GTX 1080 Ti has larger entry (raster engines) and end point (ROPS read-write) for it's 56 CU equivalent compute units. Cryptocurrency doesn't use raster engines and ROPS, hence AMD is competitive with this non-graphics workloads against GTX 1080 Ti. Vega 64 is bottleneck'ed at front and at end points.

NVIDIA mastered 16 ROPS over 64 bit bus design while we are still waiting for AMD equivalent.

AMD is promoting compute shader with TMU read-write methods to workaround ROPS bound situations.