Nvidia bashes the console market yet again

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#1 Posted by super600 (32404 posts) -

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

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#2 Posted by TheWalkingGhost (6092 posts) -
Ok? They will beat out last gen consoles....That's cute. What about the PS4 and Nextbox?
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#3 Posted by Obviously_Right (5331 posts) -

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

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#4 Posted by super600 (32404 posts) -

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

Obviously_Right

I finding their bashing of consoles funny right now.

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#5 Posted by MrYaotubo (2880 posts) -

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

super600

I finding their bashing of consoles funny right now.

It´s not really bashing when it´s true.
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#6 Posted by Blazerdt47 (5671 posts) -

Nvidia be cried.

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#7 Posted by SuddenlySudden (618 posts) -

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

super600
Why do they have to do get all defensive? It's like they feeled threatened and they're arguing against nothing.
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#8 Posted by Vari3ty (11111 posts) -

Is it supposed to be surprising that mobile hardware of this year beats console hardware that's going on eight years of age? 

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#9 Posted by AM-Gamer (8116 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

MrYaotubo

I finding their bashing of consoles funny right now.

It´s not really bashing when it´s true.

I would say its just pathetic, bragging about a mobile processor outperforming 7 year old hardware.  Well congrats Nvidia 

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#10 Posted by russiaAK47 (447 posts) -

Butt-Hurt

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#11 Posted by call_of_duty_10 (4954 posts) -

lmao

nvidia is mad because no console maker wants their GPUs.

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#12 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

super600
Mobile AMD Kaveri APU with GDDR5M destroys Tegra 5.
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#13 Posted by iPage (91 posts) -

Is it supposed to be surprising that mobile hardware of this year beats console hardware that's going on eight years of age? 

Vari3ty

 

Yes it is. Or don't you think playing games with Killzone 3 like graphics on your phone isn't impressive?

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#14 Posted by rjdofu (9171 posts) -
[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

MrYaotubo

I finding their bashing of consoles funny right now.

It´s not really bashing when it´s true.

Doesn't make it any less butthurt-driven.
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#15 Posted by muffin200 (733 posts) -

 

No suprise. A present day device that costs £500.00 odd for an unlocked version is more powerful than an 8 year old devise that costs a third the price.

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#16 Posted by iPage (91 posts) -

 

No suprise. A present day device that costs £500.00 odd for an unlocked version is more powerful than an 8 year old devise that costs a third the price.

muffin200

 

The big difference is that mobile devises such as smartphones are way smaller than a Xbox 360 or PS3 and they run on a battery, so having the same processing power as a Xbox 360 or PS3 on a smartphone is pretty damn impressive.

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#17 Posted by cfisher2833 (2150 posts) -

[QUOTE="muffin200"]

 

No suprise. A present day device that costs £500.00 odd for an unlocked version is more powerful than an 8 year old devise that costs a third the price.

iPage

 

The big difference is that mobile devises such as smartphones are way smaller than a Xbox 360 or PS3 and they run on a battery, so having the same processing power as a Xbox 360 or PS3 on a smartphone is pretty damn impressive.

 

Yeah, I read the article and I didn't get the impression that they were "bashing consoles;" it seemed more like they were just using console quality as a reference point. People know what kind of graphics quality they can get on a PS3/360. When you say that your mobile processor can produce console like quality, people immediately get it. That's all I took from it at least. 

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#18 Posted by Cranler (8809 posts) -
Ok? They will beat out last gen consoles....That's cute. What about the PS4 and Nextbox?TheWalkingGhost
You expect a tiny smartphone to be more powerful than next gen consoles?
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#19 Posted by Blake135 (3994 posts) -

Yet I haven't seen one game on the iphone that takes advantage of all this supposed power. Alot may look amazing but they have the depth of a god dam puddle.

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#20 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

super600
Qualcomm must have caused some serious hurt for Tegra 4. Btw, the Adreno 320 is an AMD design i.e. mini-Xenos IP.
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#21 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

lmao

nvidia is mad because no console maker wants their GPUs.

call_of_duty_10
Qualcomm effectively blocks NVIDIA from the mobile phone market.
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#22 Posted by ConanTheStoner (17148 posts) -

Its actually a bit weird seeing the guys at Nvidia act like this.

Butthurt and Jelly certainly applies to their recent behavior, but why?  This is like watching some 5 star chef throw a tantrum because hes somehow jelly of the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds.

I mean wtf?  Snap out of it Nvidia.

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#23 Posted by razgriz_101 (16875 posts) -

[QUOTE="muffin200"]

 

No suprise. A present day device that costs £500.00 odd for an unlocked version is more powerful than an 8 year old devise that costs a third the price.

iPage

 

The big difference is that mobile devises such as smartphones are way smaller than a Xbox 360 or PS3 and they run on a battery, so having the same processing power as a Xbox 360 or PS3 on a smartphone is pretty damn impressive.

then again the atrocious battery life that goes hand in hands with smartphones and the fact little to no apps will really make use of the power make it pretty much a point that people wont care about. Look at the iPhone its borderline useless if you use it for anything but phoning when it comes to battery consumption or playing MP3s.Too much power in a small device looks good on paper but in practice absolutely hobbled by battery design.
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#24 Posted by Phazevariance (12141 posts) -

Its actually a bit weird seeing the guys at Nvidia act like this.

Butthurt and Jelly certainly applies to their recent behavior, but why?  This is like watching some 5 star chef throw a tantrum because hes somehow jelly of the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds.

I mean wtf?  Snap out of it Nvidia.

ConanTheStoner
I think its because AMD go the next gen consoles locked down and NVidia no matter how they try to shrug it off, lose a lot of sales from that deal. Think, if they had one console, and it sold 71 million over a generation, that's a lot of sales for their hardware. This coming generation, they get nothing since AMD snatched it all.
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#25 Posted by pelvist (6653 posts) -

lmao

nvidia is mad because no console maker wants their GPUs.

call_of_duty_10

 

They probably thought with the state console gaming is in right now that it wouldnt be profitable in the long run. The console has to be a success for them to make any decent profit before price cuts and considering whats going on with the WiiU right now it looks like Nvidia may have made the right decision. Hopefully AMD survive this. It would suck if the only thing we had was Nvidia, as no competition means their prices will likely go up.

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#26 Posted by Razor_defiace (1618 posts) -

Nvidia is so butthurt that jelly is coming out in force.  Am I doing this right gaiz? 

Though honestly Nvidia is known to overhype their products. Sometimes they deliver and sometimes they don't... well and mobile phones aren't going to replace PCs or consoles anytime soon, especially with the way they're supported with toilet game experiences. 

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#27 Posted by Supabul (4266 posts) -

Nvidia are scared

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#28 Posted by ConanTheStoner (17148 posts) -

[QUOTE="ConanTheStoner"]

Its actually a bit weird seeing the guys at Nvidia act like this.

Butthurt and Jelly certainly applies to their recent behavior, but why?  This is like watching some 5 star chef throw a tantrum because hes somehow jelly of the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds.

I mean wtf?  Snap out of it Nvidia.

Phazevariance

I think its because AMD go the next gen consoles locked down and NVidia no matter how they try to shrug it off, lose a lot of sales from that deal. Think, if they had one console, and it sold 71 million over a generation, that's a lot of sales for their hardware. This coming generation, they get nothing since AMD snatched it all.

Well that's true.  I understand that they would feel bitter and all, but its a business.  You would think that 1.  They wouldn't make their butthurt so publicly viewable and 2.  They would just get over it and keep pushing forward.

Crying about and dwelling on problems doesn't really help an individual, so of course its not helping a corporation.

I dunno.  It doesn't bother me, but it just seems really awkward of them.

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#29 Posted by Kaszilla (1841 posts) -
[QUOTE="super600"]

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

ronvalencia
Qualcomm must have caused some serious hurt for Tegra 4. Btw, the Adreno 320 is an AMD design i.e. mini-Xenos IP.

I think the SGX 554mp4 in the ipad is more powerful than the xenos or rsx.
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#30 Posted by Kinthalis (5502 posts) -

How the hell ios this bashing anything? Guy is just stating a fact. When stating fact is a problem for you, the issue lies with you, NOT the facts.

 

Seriously? They are selling these things, a comparison with current gen consoles seems  like a great way to get accross their power, no?

 

People hear: more powerful than an Xbox 360, or 250 Stream processors at 800 Mhz!

 

Which are people going to intuitively understand more?

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#31 Posted by KillzoneSnake (2247 posts) -

Yeah if you read... in the distant FUTURE mobile phones will be able to have this GPU... in the future yeah one day. And when they do its not like people will be playing games that look as good as PS3 games so... whats the point? I game on consoles not phones... bring on PS4 :D

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#32 Posted by ShadowriverUB (5515 posts) -
Well.... i guess good luck with that lol :p there also CPU and Power consumption consernes
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#33 Posted by razgriz_101 (16875 posts) -

How the hell ios this bashing anything? Guy is just stating a fact. When stating fact is a problem for you, the issue lies with you, NOT the facts.

 

Seriously? They are selling these things, a comparison with current gen consoles seems  like a great way to get accross their power, no?

 

People hear: more powerful than an Xbox 360, or 250 Stream processors at 800 Mhz!

 

Which are people going to intuitively understand more?

Kinthalis

then again the fact they dont list any of the downsides to how high powered devices absolutely munch through batteries like a stoner on the munchies makes it a bit of a moot point in my book sure its all dandy we have that power in smaller devices but man do smartphones eat batteries.

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#34 Posted by arfy2 (1613 posts) -

This  is non- news.

 

Some time in the future mobile graphics technology takes over 7 year old console technology. Obviously that was going to happen. Then after that some point in the future before this mobile graphics chip goes on sale to the consumer they need to solve heat and power consumption issues. ORLY !?!

 

Btw I'm typing on my 4 year old laptop that has an Intel Core 2 Duo processor. In my jacket pocket is a Note 2 with a quad core processor. I know there is still a gap in performance but this achievement is much more impressive than the trash talk above which is yet to happen and imo not likely for 1 to 2 years more.

 

I prefer NVIDIA to AMD but this is stupid. They need to fire their PR team.

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#35 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -
Goes without saying that PC hardware is ahead of next gen consoles. Not financially viable having hardware that is beyond a card like a 680 crammed into a mass produced console.
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#36 Posted by NFJSupreme (6491 posts) -

maybe its because i'm not a fanboy but I didn't see where they were bashing the console market...

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#37 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

Meanwhile, at Nvidia HQ

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#38 Posted by AzatiS (13829 posts) -
NVIDIA is butthurt because none bought their GPUs for next-gen consoles. I didnt hear NVIDIA say anything bad about consoles pre-released before... WE all know why.. They act like butthurt kiddos even if they making huge profits. What its sad though is that they trying to hit AMD under the belt with this bashing/marketing trick... Like NVIDIA is the only worthy and TRUE PC gaming solution VS AMD that are somewhat (traitors is not the right word but you get what i mean ) traitors to PC gaming and all these craps.
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#39 Posted by AzatiS (13829 posts) -

How the hell ios this bashing anything? Guy is just stating a fact. When stating fact is a problem for you, the issue lies with you, NOT the facts.

 

Seriously? They are selling these things, a comparison with current gen consoles seems  like a great way to get accross their power, no?

 

People hear: more powerful than an Xbox 360, or 250 Stream processors at 800 Mhz!

 

Which are people going to intuitively understand more?

Kinthalis

How comes then , by your logic that is , they didnt say a word of those "facts" on previous , pre-release console generations? Maybe because some of those consoles powered by NVIDIA? hehe... Facts are facts but ... dont mention them whenever you are ... butthurt! Like NVIDIA is right now

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#40 Posted by Lucianu (10283 posts) -

Its actually a bit weird seeing the guys at Nvidia act like this.

Butthurt and Jelly certainly applies to their recent behavior, but why?  This is like watching some 5 star chef throw a tantrum because hes somehow jelly of the guy flipping burgers at McDonalds.

I mean wtf?  Snap out of it Nvidia.

ConanTheStoner

Act like what ... ? The only thing in that article is a statement from the Vice President of Content & Technology for Nvidia, saying that the next batch of phones will outperform these two consoles. The reason for their mention is because the HD twins are popular. It doesn't matter how outdated they are, they're relevant now .

There's so much sh*tty exageration in this thread due to the thread title solely created to get hits, that it's funny. 

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#41 Posted by clyde46 (49048 posts) -
[QUOTE="iPage"]

[QUOTE="muffin200"]

 

No suprise. A present day device that costs £500.00 odd for an unlocked version is more powerful than an 8 year old devise that costs a third the price.

razgriz_101

 

The big difference is that mobile devises such as smartphones are way smaller than a Xbox 360 or PS3 and they run on a battery, so having the same processing power as a Xbox 360 or PS3 on a smartphone is pretty damn impressive.

then again the atrocious battery life that goes hand in hands with smartphones and the fact little to no apps will really make use of the power make it pretty much a point that people wont care about. Look at the iPhone its borderline useless if you use it for anything but phoning when it comes to battery consumption or playing MP3s.Too much power in a small device looks good on paper but in practice absolutely hobbled by battery design.

Thats not really the fault of Nvidia, thats the fault of battery designers.
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#42 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="super600"]

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

Kaszilla

Qualcomm must have caused some serious hurt for Tegra 4. Btw, the Adreno 320 is an AMD design i.e. mini-Xenos IP.

I think the SGX 554mp4 in the ipad is more powerful than the xenos or rsx.

It wouldn't beat AMD Xenos i.e. SGX 554 MP4 has 76.8 GFLOPS.

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Snapdragon 800 LG device with Adreno 330.

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http://www.gsmarena.com/mystery_lg_device_tops_out_glbenchmark_results-news-5778.php

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#43 Posted by Vatusus (7907 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Critical levels of Damage Control from Nvidia right now.

MrYaotubo

I finding their bashing of consoles funny right now.

It´s not really bashing when it´s true.

Saying the PS3 is a better console than the 360 is still bashing the 360, even though its true

:P

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#44 Posted by ronvalencia (25410 posts) -

NVIDIA is butthurt because none bought their GPUs for next-gen consoles. I didnt hear NVIDIA say anything bad about consoles pre-released before... WE all know why.. They act like butthurt kiddos even if they making huge profits. What its sad though is that they trying to hit AMD under the belt with this bashing/marketing trick... Like NVIDIA is the only worthy and TRUE PC gaming solution VS AMD that are somewhat (traitors is not the right word but you get what i mean ) traitors to PC gaming and all these craps.AzatiS

Eh? AMD advances the X86 ISA which underpins the X86 PCs and has the backing Intel's Havok Physics GPU (GCN).

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Borderlands-2-PhysX-Performance-and-PhysX-Comparison-GTX-680-and-HD-7970/GPU-

UPDATE: I did finally get an answer from Gearbox about the slow downs we were seeing on the AMD results. Apparently when larger collections of PhysX simulations are running on the CPU, those threads can take quite a bit longer than they would when running on the GPU. As a result, the CPU (and rest of the game engine code) becomes "blocked" waiting for a single thread to finish, which results in the lower CPU utilization we saw on the AMD results as well as the lower overall performance. Because PhysX is an NVIDIA engine, even if Gearbox chose to they likely couldn't add in additional multi-threaded capabilities to the PhysX code path so the slow down here is likely to stay.

NVIDIA gimps PhysX X86 CPU edition with a single thread version. NVIDIA is making multi-core X86 CPUs look bad.

Havok Physics GPU (AMD GCN) demo on PS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnwmsTokso

A high resolution look at Havok Physics technology demonstrated at Sony's live event in New York. This demo shows a million particle real-time physics simulation running on the GPU of the Playstation 4.

Intel will make sure NVIDIA's PhysX is minimised from the X86 PC market.

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#45 Posted by Heil68 (57720 posts) -
[QUOTE="super600"]

Nvidia has recently revealed that the next gen mobile grsaphic processors will outperform the 360 and PS3

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/03/29/tegra-5-faster-xbox-360-ps3/1

This was obviously going to happen nvidia.

ronvalencia
Qualcomm must have caused some serious hurt for Tegra 4. Btw, the Adreno 320 is an AMD design i.e. mini-Xenos IP.

I was just going to say that. Butt hurt confirmed.
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#46 Posted by tormentos (26634 posts) -
Tegra are sh** GPU... I remember how the Tegra 2 was suppose to destroy all,and all its games could be play on the Galaxy S 1 by just using chain fire,alto the Galaxy S 1 had the most advance GPU for its time on phones,much more powerful than the iphone 4 one.
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#47 Posted by Joel_Pichardo (320 posts) -

Tell Nvidia they can stop whining about consoles when they give us all $1000 GPU's :P

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#48 Posted by osirisx3 (2113 posts) -

they better they are like what 7 years old now?

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#49 Posted by faizan_faizan (7869 posts) -

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]NVIDIA is butthurt because none bought their GPUs for next-gen consoles. I didnt hear NVIDIA say anything bad about consoles pre-released before... WE all know why.. They act like butthurt kiddos even if they making huge profits. What its sad though is that they trying to hit AMD under the belt with this bashing/marketing trick... Like NVIDIA is the only worthy and TRUE PC gaming solution VS AMD that are somewhat (traitors is not the right word but you get what i mean ) traitors to PC gaming and all these craps.ronvalencia

Eh? AMD advances the X86 ISA which underpins the X86 PCs and has the backing Intel's Havok Physics GPU (GCN).

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Borderlands-2-PhysX-Performance-and-PhysX-Comparison-GTX-680-and-HD-7970/GPU-

 

UPDATE: I did finally get an answer from Gearbox about the slow downs we were seeing on the AMD results. Apparently when larger collections of PhysX simulations are running on the CPU, those threads can take quite a bit longer than they would when running on the GPU. As a result, the CPU (and rest of the game engine code) becomes "blocked" waiting for a single thread to finish, which results in the lower CPU utilization we saw on the AMD results as well as the lower overall performance. Because PhysX is an NVIDIA engine, even if Gearbox chose to they likely couldn't add in additional multi-threaded capabilities to the PhysX code path so the slow down here is likely to stay.

NVIDIA gimps PhysX X86 CPU edition with a single thread version. NVIDIA is making multi-core X86 CPUs look bad.

Havok Physics GPU (AMD GCN) demo on PS4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnwmsTokso

A high resolution look at Havok Physics technology demonstrated at Sony's live event in New York. This demo shows a million particle real-time physics simulation running on the GPU of the Playstation 4.

Intel will make sure NVIDIA's PhysX is minimised from the X86 PC market.

Though, Havok doesn't do fluids, It's very important In next gen physics.

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#50 Posted by dramaybaz (6020 posts) -
Lol at consolites suddenly taking sides on PC hardware manufacturers, despite the fact it isn't the first time AMD is making console hardware, as did NVIDIA.