No Mans Sky Bootlegged Subnautica

Recently people have been claiming that starfield is just NMS2.0. Just looking from video comparisons, I could see their point, theres a ton of similarities.

I decided to try the game out myself and see what the big deal was. After playing for a few hours, I noticed that NMS strongly resembled another game that I played, called subnautica. The level of copying is grounds for a lawsuit. What do you guys think?

considering NMS came out 1.5 years before subnautica............ yea, sure.

Starfield development/design started way before NMS as well.

Some of y'all shouldn't be allowed to make threads.

@loonski: @blaznwiipspman1: No, not really. The "copied" content came out right around the same time so nobody likely copied anyone. NMS came out before Subnautica but the bulk of the underwater content was in the 1.7 update a couple years later (the same year Subnautica released). The Abyss update came out in October 2018 and Subnautica came our in December the same year. So no, neither copied either and the game that came out later certainly didn't get copied by a game that came before it.

subnautica was announced in 2013 december and had early access going back to 2014 on steam. Alot of the functionality of the game was already done long before NMS launched in 2016. Subnautica devs just polished their game over the years and had an "official" release in 2018. Its sort of the opposite way of how NMS did it, because just reading up on NMS history, the original game that launched in 2016 was complete trash, and the developers made the game awesome over the following years with tons of patches and updates. It wasn't in a good state until around 2020 or so.

its possible. Bethesda probably had something on the drawing board from 10 years back. No way they started developing the game in the past 2 years.

LOL! Isn't it time you made another butt hurt thread over the next switch, having some sort of nvidia gpu?

Agreed. Its time for cringehog89 to unleash his butthurt, it has been over a month.

Shame Todd had to go and rip off NMS, now it's causing all this butthurt and hot takes.

Nah, I'm bored of it untill there's something new. I'll make an AMD one if you can come up with a better argument than, "Nintendo's engineers are incompetent and didn't think an x86 handheld was possible until Steam Deck was announced."

shame, I was looking forward to one of your classic switch threads. Im sure hardwenzen is dissapointed.

You actually have to side with me on this one, though. You're adamant that Switch 2 is coming late 2023 with BotW2 as a cross-gen launch title. That's not possible if blaz's theory that Nintendo scrapped all previous development last year and got to work on cloning Steam Deck hardware is true. That would mean a 2025 release at the earliest, which means you'll be wrong about BotW2 being a late 2023 release.

I never heard him say that.

Did Star Citizen copy NMS too. You do know Space games have things in common. Lots of salty haters are mad it's not on PlayStation that is way the hate for Starfield. 😂

Starfield is an RPG, NMS is a survival game.

Dumb thread is dumb thread.

thats HIS theory, that hes pushing on to ME. He still thinks nintendo will no matter what go with nvidia and they won't ever change direction. The only problem with that is that nintendo used AMD for 20 years up untill the Wii U.

2022 is different, theres tons of options to choose from for hardware. The steam deck using AMD rdna3, while the AYA NEO uses both rdna3 and intel. Nintendo is probably looking at all options before choosing.

But techhog need to accept anything is possible instead of shilling the same nvidia bs as usual.

That's cope, the game just doesn't look good.

Not like these aspects are new, nor were they when NMS released. I hope for Starfield's sake it doesn't bog itself down in resource gathering and crafting etc. Not to say that is bad itself just every game handles it differently. NMS lays it on real thick. Whereas a game like BoTW it's there but simplified and isn't a constant annoying burden like say NMS. Where Starfield finds is balance will remain to be seen.

RDNA2*

Of course they're looking at all options. You did imply that Steam Deck would influence their decision though, which is silly. AMD likely made a pitch to Nintendo long before Deck was announced. They probably even made a pitch for the original Switch because, believe it or not, there weren't technical limitations that completely excluded x86 or AMD from being used.

That said, there actually is new info now and it might make you happy.

and so what if I did imply that? Theres a difference between a pitch and real proof of concept selling mass market like the DECK is. They might have made a pitch for the original switch, but we both know that a handheld with x86 wasn't going to cut it in 2017. Power draw, and performance, in a small enough package. An x86 wasn't going to crack it in 2017, unless nintendo accepted 1 hour battery life, or a super turd of a handheld thats worse than any tegra.

Hardwenzen is looking forward to your new thread lol.

Not really. An Atom would have been pretty close to the A55. The only issue would have been the GPU. There were x86 phones back then, remember? They went with the X1 largely because Nvidia offered a good deal and Nintendo was cautious coming off of a failure. Also, this is the same company that used a 12-year-old CPU in a console just for the sake of maintaining BC with Wii. BC is also one of the biggest reasons they'd likely not want to switch, since "a smooth transition" is a priority. And, yes, I know Steam Deck is good at running Yuzu, but emulation is inherently flawed and would mean that many games might not work out of the box. A lot of games will be fine, sure, but that's not gonna be enough. Imagine someone excited to play Doom Eternal on Switch 2 with a good framerate and they're greeted with this instead:

I watched Game of Thrones and Skyrim is clearly a rip off from that.

Welcome to the survival crafting genre. It has many prominent members, including ARK: Survival Evolved, Conan Exiles, Valheim, and most recently V Rising. Konami once even butchered what remained of the Metal Gear franchise to make one of their own, complete with save slots you have to pay real money for.

But really, they all owe their existence and popularity to Minecraft.

For your sake, I hope you are trolling here. If you was drunk writing this, I can look the other way.

And yet, some of those PS fans have gaming PC so chances are, they'll play it since it is gonna be on GP. Just be thankful everyone will have the chance to play it rather it be on Xbox or PC...and thank God for PC I might add😉

Not defending Starfield but after watching it several times, it could very well be a good game but it sure ain't gonna win graphics of the year I'll give you that.

You're absolutely right, NMS did copy Subnautica.

A space exploration sim that has you travelling a near-infinite procedurally generated universe is exactly like a game where you explore a finite ocean area on a single planet.

Fallout 4 did, too, I guess. You know since it has base building. I guess that's the common thread here?

...wut?

Funny, I heard it was rip from Witcher? Guess I heard wrong perhaps🤷‍♂️

@mrbojangles25: its good you agree

@techhog89: wow, you're still beating that drum about BC. Trust me, nintendo doesn't care about BC. It's like you completely ignore the wii and wii u every single time, like they never even existed in your eye. The one thing that doesn't matter is BC, especially since every game you have in your library can be purchased digitally already. These games can be run on x86 easily with a bit of tweaking. Also why are you derailing my no mans sky bashing thread. Weren't you going to make your own switch thread?

@xhawk27: lol it's so true. The hot takes over starfield the last couple of days, the bashing, the so called people being "disappointed". It's all a joke

Starfield looks fantastic

... You know that both Wii and Wii U had BC, right?

And you're the one who derailed it by bringing the topic up.

Don't see the big deal about getting ideas off another. If that idea is good why not? More games like the AAA games can end up great and sometimes not. Imagine if that first open world game no one else made one. Or the first fps only fps. So if they did who cares.

so wheres the switch bc with the wii u?? Heck, even the 3ds?? Its obvious BC is something nintendo doesn't give 2 shits about. Especially nowadays, when most of their games are digital anyway.

nothing wrong with it, its how games improve and become better. But if anyone actually played no mans sky, you would know how dumb it is to call starfield no mans sky 2.0. What a joke.

@blaznwiipspman1: yeah they don't look like one or other. I say more like elder scrolls in space. Which is fine because it's the same engine I think.

Like you can tell death stranded used hzd engine.

So where's the AMD GPU in the Switch? It's obvious that Nintendo doesn't give a shit about using AMD or x86. So, they're gonna stick with Tegra. All of their games and dev tools work on ARM and Nvidia hardware anyway.

See how that works? It's even crazier that you think Nintendo's priority is making a console that's easy as possible for devs to port to... Then why did they make Switch in the first place? Or Wii U for that matter? They could have just made an HD triplet if that's their primary design goal.

As for Switch's lack of BC, it would just be prohibitively expensive to implement. For Wii U, they'd have to basically build the Wii U into the dock (Switch isn't even remotely powerful enough to emulate Wii U, and besides that I already showed why emulation isn't full BC, so the only option is to put Wii U hardware into the console or dock) and start selling the Wii U controller separately, which either means that Switch would have cost $100-200 more or they would have needed to sell a $200 accessory, neither of which is a logical investment. 3DS would have been slightly easier, but it would still have required separate accessories and some design changes (and still putting the SoC somewhere in the system for all games to work out of the box). I also don't know why you keep bringing up digital. You know that a just putting a game file on a console isn't enough to make it run, right?

Also, again, they've already specifically talked about how they want to have a smooth transition to their next console and bring all Switch players to the new platform. You think they're gonna do that by making them have to rebuy all games just so some devs have a slightly easier time porting games? And I mean SLIGHTLY, since all of the major engines already support ARM. Sorry man, but your logic is just not sound and is full of personal bias.

A game that released over a year before the other copied the game that came out at a later date. Yeah, sounds legit...

Subnaiutica is a really good game though.

simple facts as usual

as stated earlier in the thread, subnautica was released in 2014 as EARLY ACCESS on steam. This was 2 years before no mans sky even launched in 2016.

Most of the core functionality of subnautica was already working in 2014. In 2018, that was the "official" launch of subnautica.

100%. NMS tried to make a space version of subnautica, though they couldn't come close.

Ok... No Man's Sky development started sometime in 2011-2012. You think that Subnautica is special in the fact it had early access and development before full release or something? Most games these days have 3-7 years of development in different stages. It's not like there wasn't internal play testing for No Mans Sky.. they had a closed beta in 2014 for journalists, a game play trailer for E3, and many influencers and other people were allowed to play the game and report on it as well.

It isn't like the game was still in the drawing board phase in 2014, it was still being developed but at that point in time it was mostly getting polished and getting tweaks because of what at the time was a shoddy engine that needed work... Both games were in about the same place in 2014, but were being handled differently due to the platforms they first released on. It's pretty clear neither copied the other to any great extent since both were in a similar place during their development cycle.