Nintendo's lack of love for hardcore gamers is not due to a lack of games...

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

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Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Because investors are paying attention to E3, and they're a hundred times more important than jaded and disgruntled System Wars posters.Zerostatic0

Yeah seriously, I mean honestly, who in the world would talk sales and games that would generate sales at a business summit?

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

WhatTheDunk

I have one thing to say.

You are a idiot.

At least use correct grammar when insulting one's intelligence...

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

Where else are they going to get information? Do you think EVERY investor or potential business partner has a personal contact in EVERY company? That's why companies have press releases and press conferences in the first place. So that someone doing research would be able to find relevant information quickly. And a major press conference like an E3 press conference will tell investors a lot about the company's health and its future direction.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

That is the whole point of a press confrence.

Disaster Day of Crisis wasnt even shown off and it's release is TBA. Fatal Frame 4 was not shown off. Mad World was hardly shown off and we don't know much about it and it has no release date. There is Tales yes, but it not jack next to real rpgs like Final Fantasy and Star Ocean. Not near as ambitious and the original game wasnt even that good.

Rune Factory is not hard core.
And Come on Deadly Creatures?

All you named was things that werent shown off at the actually press conference. None of these games are that big with the acception of Tales and their more like actual cult games. Games that appeal only to a very, very small audiance and most arent ambitious aside from Deadly Creatures maybe.

And anouncing Pikmin and Zelda with out screen shots, videos, release dates or even titles doesnt mean bs. It means it'll be years from now before these titles actually show up. Just like when Nintendo anounced Super Smash brother before they even showed off the Wii.

The only way you could be satisied with Nintendo is if your a fanboy.

[QUOTE="WhatTheDunk"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

I have one thing to say.

You are a idiot.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you. Whoever says that investors rely on stage-managed press conferences to find out how well a company is doing obviously knows absolutely nothing about economics or marketing.

Seriously though, people like that "a idiot" guy should just be ignored....

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Everytime I think that it's safe to come back to Game Spot, someone like you reminds me how juvenile and immature many of the posters are on gamespot. I'm an idiot because I think an investor would pay a lot more attention to things like profits, assets, and private shareholder meetings then they would to a press conference at a videogame trade show? If investors really did care so much, why wouldn't these conferences be more polished? They almost never flow and have mediocre speakers.streak000

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you. Whoever says that investors rely on stage-managed press conferences to find out how well a company is doing is basically admitting that they know absolutely nothing about economics or marketing.

Seriously though, people like that "a idiot" guy should just be ignored....

Investors don't RELY on stage-managed press conferences, but they DO play a part in informing them, and despite appearances, these conferences are STILL primarily intended for business. It's only because of E3's rather unique status that these particular press conferences have evolved into a quasi-stage show-slash-live action advertisement. They ARE advertising, sure, but they're mainly advertising to investors, which includes, among other things, developers.

How else would developers know what to bid to Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo? Actually, more specifically, how would Nintendo attract casual game developers and small developers like High Voltage (Conduit devs)? They don't send out headhunters. They use these press conference to show their company's general direction for the next few years, and at the same time use their sales figures to assure potential developers that their games will have a place in their library.

Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.laughingman42

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.Tylendal

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

mjarantilla

Exactly, it's the shareholders and investors in the company that Nintendo is trying to impress, not gamers. Stuff like TGS and E for All are for gamers, E3 is a conference.

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[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.streak000

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

It's attitude not games really. Like Sonys BS circa 2005/6locopatho

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[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.streak000

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

If you were an investor, you wouldn't be the kind of investor to invest in Nintendo, and you therefore wouldn't be the kind of investor Nintendo was targeting with their press conference. Your post is therefore moot.

It was a boring conference, but despite that, it probably still attracted droves of small, casual game developers to develop for Nintendo over Sony or Microsoft. That means more licensing profits, market share, and games for Nintendo.

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[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.goodlay

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

They'll sell, but only because of the Nintendo brand and the vast number of people who own the console. They are such unexciting (and in the case of Wii Music, atrocious) products, that I can't see them attracting much praise. I don't think they'll sell anywhere near as well as the first Wii Sports or Wii Fit, for example.

I could be wrong, but the general consensus seems to be that Nintendo's conference was very poor. They seem to be resting on their laurels, rather than actually innovating or bringing out great games. I can't imagine that any secton of the audience would have been particularly impressed with that presentation.

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="streak000"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.streak000

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

They'll sell, but only because of the Nintendo brand and the vast number of people who own the console. They are such unexciting (and in the case of Wii Music, atrocious) products, that I can't see them attracting much praise. I don't think they'll sell anywhere near as well as the first Wii Sports or Wii Fit, for example.

I could be wrong, but the general consensus seems to be that Nintendo's conference was very poor. They seem to be resting on their laurels, rather than actually innovating or bringing out great games. I can't imagine that any secton of the audience would have been particularly impressed with that presentation.

People laughed at Wii Sports and Wii Fit, and I understood why. But I don't understand how you can laugh at this stuff after the Wii has had so much success with titles like these.

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goodlay

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

They'll sell, but only because of the Nintendo brand and the vast number of people who own the console. They are such unexciting (and in the case of Wii Music, atrocious) products, that I can't see them attracting much praise. I don't think they'll sell anywhere near as well as the first Wii Sports or Wii Fit, for example.

I could be wrong, but the general consensus seems to be that Nintendo's conference was very poor. They seem to be resting on their laurels, rather than actually innovating or bringing out great games. I can't imagine that any secton of the audience would have been particularly impressed with that presentation.

People laughed at Wii Sports and Wii Fit, and I understood why. But I don't understand how you can laugh at this stuff after the Wii has had so much success with titles like these.

I'm not laughing, I'm grimacing. Wii Sports and Wii Fit were unique and innovative, regardless of how gimmicky or shallow they turned out to be. Wii music seems a huge step backwards, when you consider how many awesome musical alternatives are available. Wii Sports resort is like scraping the bottom of the barrel. Couldn't they come up with something fresh? This pathological obsession Nintendo has with "casual gamers" is completely killing their once-legendary creativity.

we're getting away form the topic. simply put, the nintendo has put their hardcore audience to the side to be more "accessible".

i feel betrayed all the same, but i guess it's like the movie industry. they can't always produce epics, or it might "cost too much" to make a "good" movie so they make watered down stoner flicks and spoofs. and that's what nintendo does nowadays: produce the watered down stoner flicks and spoofs of videogames -_- call me bourgeous, but what they call accessible, i call stupid.

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="WhatTheDunk"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Zerostatic0"]

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

streak000

I have one thing to say.

You are a idiot.

For what it's worth, I completely agree with you. Whoever says that investors rely on stage-managed press conferences to find out how well a company is doing obviously knows absolutely nothing about economics or marketing.

Seriously though, people like that "a idiot" guy should just be ignored....

Well obviously they don't rely on conferences to see how a company is moving, but they do pay attention. Yes it is idiotic to think investors don't use any information from a press conference. And to be honest, investors that paid attention to the conference would be smart to invest, because they'd see that Nintendo is branching out.

Disaster Day of Crisis wasnt even shown off and it's release is TBA.vashkey

Fatal Frame 4 was not shown off. vashkey

Mad World was hardly shown off and we don't know much about it and it has no release date.vashkey

There is Tales yes, but it not jack next to real rpgs like Final Fantasy and Star Ocean. Not near as ambitious and the original game wasnt even that good.vashkey

Rune Factory is not hard core.vashkey

And Come on Deadly Creatures?vashkey

All you named was things that werent shown off at the actually press conference.vashkey

None of these games are that big with the acception of Tales and their more like actual cult games.vashkey

Games that appeal only to a very, very small audiance and most arent ambitious aside from Deadly Creatures maybe.vashkey

And anouncing Pikmin and Zelda with out screen shots, videos, release dates or even titles doesnt mean bs. It means it'll be years from now before these titles actually show up.vashkey

The only way you could be satisied with Nintendo is if your a fanboy.vashkey

If E3 is a conference entirely for investors why did MS and Sony show a LOT of games?

Yes E3 is also a show for investors but not only. Nintendo did not have anything to show that's why they didn't show it.

Both Sony and MS had a show for the investors and the gamers. Why didn't Nintendo do that?
JLF1

Okay new rule.

Disaster Day of Crisis does not exist until we see a video.

You can't just keep naming a game they've been throwiing around since launch and we have yet to see a gameplay video or new pictures. Until proven otherwise, its vaporware.

[QUOTE="Zerostatic0"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Because investors are paying attention to E3, and they're a hundred times more important than jaded and disgruntled System Wars posters.tbone29

Yeah seriously, I mean honestly, who in the world would talk sales and games that would generate sales at a business summit?

[QUOTE="streak000"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.goodlay

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

I can only hope this could be the start of a much deserved backlash against these "wii" named games. They're all trash.

I find all the "core gamers" crying about the lack of Nintendo support both confusing and laughable. It appeared pretty clear to me that most of the "core gamers" moved onto MS or Sony before the Wii even came out, so can you blame Nintendo for trying something different and then sticking with what works? Even with games like Zelda, Metriod, and SMG, I hear so many "gamers" complaining, both here and in the gaming media, "It's kiddie, It's dumbed downed, Waggle, It's not enough"

It was a boring E3 showing, but to me none of the 3 were great. MS had a good announcement with FF13, but let's face it, only fanboys on either side really got excited. Sony showed some interesting things, but there're so far off it's hard to get excited. Nintendo rarely displays stuff very early.

Personally I like my Wii for what it does, which is offer me things I can't get anywhere else. If I want "core games", whatever they may be, I have many other systems that are more than capable of supplying those. Can MS and Sony say the same thing about games like SMG and MK or WiiSports?

Would it be nice to know that the next Donky Kong or Kirby was o it's way this fall, sure it would, but I think sometimes we're expecting too much. Look at everything we've already gotten from Nintendo: Zelda, SPM, SMG, Metriod, FE, WWSM, MK, SSBB, WiiSports, WiiPlay, Link's Crossbow, WiiFit. Look at what we know is on the way: Warioland, WiiSports 2, WiiMusic, Animal Crossings, Mario Sluggers. Regardless of your personal feelings about individual games, that's a heck of a lot.

Nintendo failed big time to gain the approval of hardcore gamers and the gaming press in general with their latest E3 confernce. Some might say that this happened because they simply don't have the games coming out for their system that appeal to that demographic. Well I disagree, Nintendo has enough upcoming exclusive core gamer type games to have had a decent showing. They simply didn't even try.

I mean, if Nintendo showed off

Fatal Frame 4, Madworld, Conduit, Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World, Tenchu 4, Fragile, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Rune Factory, and Deadly Creatures

In addition throw in a teaser for the new Zelda game as well as whatever Retro Studies is working on and also the game vanillaware is working on.

If Nintendo showed that instead, they probably would have been considered the winners of E3. That's the frustrating part. The casual non-gamers are not paying attention to E3, so why try to appease them?

Zerostatic0

At least two of the games (possibly more) have been shown so far at E3. But they werent shown at Nintendo's press conference because they arent by Nintendo.

Serves gamers right for believing everything they hear on the internet.

[QUOTE="goodlay"][QUOTE="streak000"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]Their press conference was for the press, not gamers. It's the stupid new E3, but we do know that the games are coming. People act like because they didnt talk about those games means that those games no longer exist. Maybe they will redeem themselves at E for All.streak000

Exactly. As far as the retailers, investers, and media are concerned, Nintendo stole the show.

If I were an investor, I would be worried about the lack of upcoming games from the game console company I invested in. If I was a retailer, I would also be disappointed at the lack of announced games or anything particularly marketable. That Music thing is an absolute joke. And you are dead wrong about the media feeling that Nintendo stole the show. Find me one article from any outlet that states "Nintendo steals show" or even "A great conference from Nintendo", and I will admit to being wrong.

The truth is, it was an absolutely horrid conference by any standard.

Are you serious? You're blind if you think Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort are going to sell poorly.

They'll sell, but only because of the Nintendo brand and the vast number of people who own the console. They are such unexciting (and in the case of Wii Music, atrocious) products, that I can't see them attracting much praise. I don't think they'll sell anywhere near as well as the first Wii Sports or Wii Fit, for example.

I could be wrong, but the general consensus seems to be that Nintendo's conference was very poor. They seem to be resting on their laurels, rather than actually innovating or bringing out great games. I can't imagine that any secton of the audience would have been particularly impressed with that presentation.

for their target audience, wii sports resort and wii music are incredibly exciting. this is why theyll sell by the truckload. remember, the target audience for these games dont go to media outlets to see ratings of games to see if they will buy them. they buy on name and impulse. this is why wii has had more software sales than the other two big names: the audience is eating up everything, regardless of the 'hardcore' definition of 'quality'. remember, investors dont care about you. they dont care about quality. they care about money, and wii sports resort and wii music are going to make ALOT of money, arguably more than any 'core' game could possiby hope to achieve on the wii.

thats not to say i wasnt disappointed by the lack of some juicy new announcements, but business is business.

Nintendo shows the "hardcore" plenty of love. It's the "hardcore" that don't show them any love by not buying the games. Or maybe there aren't as many of you "hardcore" as you think? Playing to their hardcore didn't exactly help the Nintendo 64, and it really didn't help the Gamecube, as we can tell from hardware sales data. Fire Emblem never had to leave Japan. But it did, and you all didn't buy it. No More Heroes never had to get Nintendo's approval to be published. But it did, and nobody bought that. Metroid Prime 3 didn't have to come out. But it did, and you all didn't buy it. If I'm Nintendo, and I know I can sell a few milli putting out a Nintendogs, or a few thousand putting out Punch-Out!!, what would I do? I'd put out 4 different versions of Nintendogs.Paul_Phoenicks

My problem with Nintendo this gen is that all the core games I've played (Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, Twilight Princess, Mario Kart, Brawl) this gen seem dumbed down to suit the casual gamer. I mean really Nintendo, if the average casual gamer lacks the intelligence to play a real core game which hasn't been dumbed down to benefit them then there's something wrong with humanity. The games were p***-easy, and because of this they were extremely lacklustre. In my opinion, if they're going to dumb down their core series in the future, then there's no point in calling them hardcore games anymore.super_mario_128

Try beating Luigi's purple coins and saying that.