Ninja Gaiden: Master Collection comes to the world of PC this June...but sadly, no Black or vanilla 2 version :(

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#1 DaVillain-  Moderator
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Surprise this thread wasn't made sooner. I'm somewhat excited for the collection, but I'm also a bit sad that it is ports of Sigma 1/2 and not Black and OG 2. Total slap in the face really but still, will pick this up on Steam if the ports is legit good.

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Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

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This better do well. I want TeamNinja to know that people want a new NG game. Its been way too long.

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Why did they pick the lesser Sigma versions and not the originals?!?

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@gym_lion said:

Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

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@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:

Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

I'm just looking now and it's not their. Left back in September.

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@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:

Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

I'm just looking now and it's not their. Left back in September.

Oh well damn. Good thing I sold my X1X.

That was the only reason I got one - that and the great Banjo Kazooie BC version.

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@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:

Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

I'm just looking now and it's not their. Left back in September.

Oh well damn. Good thing I sold my X1X.

That was the only reason I got one - that and the great Banjo Kazooie BC version.

Well its only £9 on the store.

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@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:

Surprised NG isn't on GP as its a MS published game.

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

I'm just looking now and it's not their. Left back in September.

Oh well damn. Good thing I sold my X1X.

That was the only reason I got one - that and the great Banjo Kazooie BC version.

Well its only £9 on the store.

Yeah def worth it. I'm surprised they removed it.... Probably because they knew this collection was coming out 😞

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@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:
@gym_lion said:
@pyro1245 said:

Ninja Gaiden Black is on GP, but it is Xbox only.

It runs really well at 4K/60fps and looks fantastic. I with they would bring it to PC (instead of this Sigma crap).

I'm just looking now and it's not their. Left back in September.

Oh well damn. Good thing I sold my X1X.

That was the only reason I got one - that and the great Banjo Kazooie BC version.

Well its only £9 on the store.

Yeah def worth it. I'm surprised they removed it.... Probably because they knew this collection was coming out 😞

I'd forgotten NG was an OG XBOX game.

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I always liked the look of these games, I hope they still hold up today;

and that they are better optimized than the Medium :P

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#12  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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I bet it's the same port of Ninja Gaiden ending up everywhere that is missing a lot of effects from the original Xbox version (like reflective wood floors, crepuscular rays)

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Uncle Phil holding the good versions hostage :(

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Hopefully it leads to actual new NG game.

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#15  Edited By Silentchief
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@vfighter said:

Why did they pick the lesser Sigma versions and not the originals?!?

I honestly liked Sigma better then black. Sigma was a PS3 version built ground up for the PS3 while black was built for the original Xbox. From a remaster perspective Sigma will hold up much better visually.

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Hopefully it leads to actual new NG game.

This is what I'm most excited about. They usually do these remaster before a new title.

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#17 ConanTheStoner  Online
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Yeah, always knew it would be the lesser versions. Still great games, but eh. Will buy just to support NG coming to PC.

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I knew this wasn't only coming to Switch. Will definitely get this on pc, I've been waiting a long time for these games to finally port over and I'm surprised this didn't come sooner.

Now my only reasons to keep the PS3 are MGS4 and MGS HD collection 😅

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PC getting scraps again i see 🤣🤣🤣

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#20  Edited By LAtech84
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PC getting scraps again i see 🤣🤣🤣

I think a big reason for this is that allot of developers were not supporting PC back in the Xbox and Xbox 360 days and now PC gaming is so popular and they realize they can make good money there now and so now allot of those game developers are releasing their new games or newest version of their games on PC that they never would have in the past and are also releasing old games that they would not do in the past, now that they know they can make money on PC and support it now much more than in the past such as they are doing here. Either way I think the more good games that get released on PC the better no matter the wait. I do have an Xbox 360 though and have played quite a bit of it on that and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

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@latech84: Hey i like to stir the pot, especially with those of your clan that call themselves a "master race" when little gems like this come along i like to say to them laster race 🤣🤣🤣

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@i_p_daily: It's all good my friend. I understand. keep having fun, that is what this place is for right?

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Sucks it's not the better versions, but i'll still buy as i've not actually played the games.

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#24 my_user_name
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I think may get it on Switch as well as something more powerful. Hopefully they'll announce 4 by the time this comes out.

I played Sigma first then went to Black, asides from the Rachel missions being lame, I preferred Sigma - mostly because of the Dual katanas. For 2, I prefer the Xbox version, mostly for the gore... also the PS3 while being inferior visually still didn't have very good performance. The base game of 3 was terrible, Razor's Edge was decent.

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@latech84: Oh i will that's for sure 😎

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It's coming to all systems, that explains it. I was wondering, why would they use the Sigma versions if they are potentially harder to port being PS3 games.

I'm down. Ninja Gaiden One and Two were never bettered in the genre imo.

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Nice and the better versions too.

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@silentchief: Both Sigma games were built for the ps3, both were built by newbies and kinda a test to see how capable they were and both where lesser versions then the originals missing lots of extras.

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#29  Edited By Silentchief
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@vfighter: If I remember correctly they added alot of extras as well. I believe Sigma was the first to add dual Katanas and it was the first game to use the new engine.

With NG2 vs NGS2 I thought it was an even trade off with each version having its advantages.

Edit. Actually after doing research I was wrong on NGS2 as it scaled back the gore and dismemberment. I hope they add that.

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Both of the Sigma games add new content. It's just that for a lot of people, said content isn't welcome as it's undercooked or straight up bad.

Hayashi Gaiden/10, what a bum.

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yeah ill be buying it on switch, i love the series (not really 3) kinda pissed its not black or vanilla NG2. Sigma took out all the blood and gore from 2.... and my god did the gore add a lot to the style. Loved dismembering crawling foes in 2 At least i still have it on 360...

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#32  Edited By ConanTheStoner  Online
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Yeah, definitely missed the gore effects. It's among the least of the issues for me when comparing the two, but still an issue lol. Going from geysers of blood to.... purple mist?

Collection choice is annoying, but could be as simple as - Sigma has the most up to date graphics, lets go.

But I suspect there's some company politics in there. Surely they know which versions the overwhelming amount of fans prefer. But those are Itagaki games. Hayashi is head honcho producer now and was director of the Sigma games.

Wish they'd just release them all and let fans decide.

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As an aside, NGB and NG2 are both enhanced bc now. Cleaned up image quality + flawless performance. Bought a XBX just for those, no regrets.

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Well, thankfully, I bought Ninja Gaiden Black earlier a couple years back on Xbox. But I kind of want to support this compilation. I mean, come on! It's been a HELL of a long time since we've had many Ninja Gaiden's on Nintendo (yeah we had Dragon Sword and 3, but... no one remembers those games fondly...)

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#34  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@silentchief said: From a remaster perspective Sigma will hold up much better visually.

2:53 vs 6:16 tho, Sigma looks hazy and overblown lighting, like a Wii game almost. Black looks sharper and better effects.

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#35  Edited By Silentchief
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@girlusocrazy said:
@silentchief said: From a remaster perspective Sigma will hold up much better visually.

2:53 vs 6:16 tho, Sigma looks hazy and overblown lighting, like a Wii game almost. Black looks sharper and better effects.

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Black doesn't have better effects its an OG xbox game. It would however look sharper if it's being played on a Xbox one over the native PS3 version.

I'm more worried about 2. I hope they keep the gore and enemy count.

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@sargentd:

Yeah, definitely missed the gore effects. It's among the least of the issues for me when comparing the two, but still an issue lol. Going from geysers of blood to.... purple mist?

Collection choice is annoying, but could be as simple as - Sigma has the most up to date graphics, lets go.

But I suspect there's some company politics in there. Surely they know which versions the overwhelming amount of fans prefer. But those are Itagaki games. Hayashi is head honcho producer now and was director of the Sigma games.

Wish they'd just release them all and let fans decide.

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As an aside, NGB and NG2 are both enhanced bc now. Cleaned up image quality + flawless performance. Bought a XBX just for those, no regrets.

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Yeah i agree, seems like they are doing it to appease Hayashi. Would be nice to just get all of them, at least for PC.

Im probably going to get it for the switch first for portable. Really like playing bayonetta 2 in portable, NG would be a nice collection for it.

and yeah man that looks super clean on the series X! i still have my copies of NG on og xbox and 360. I have a pretty large collection of 360 and OG xbox games still. Once i upgrade my living room console i plan on picking up the series x, i went PS4 and Switch this last gen and skipped the One.

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Nice. Yeah not big on portable gaming myself, just gonna grab this collection on PC to support it there. Probably give the first two a play as well, they're still good games built on a great foundation.

Oh yeah, just to be clear, that's on Xbox One X, not Series X lol. Thanks Xbox naming conventions! But I'm sure it's all the same on Series X. And yeah, can't blame ya for skipping the One, I got it just for these.

The super clean look is nice, but the biggest difference is the performance in Ninja Gaiden 2. Perfect. Even the infamous staircase has no dips.

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@ConanTheStoner said:

Yeah, always knew it would be the lesser versions. Still great games, but eh. Will buy just to support NG coming to PC.

Yeah bro, same here. I wonder if they will keep the co-op modes from the ps3 version of Sigma 2?

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I believe that it was announced in the latest Nintendo Direct that a Ninja Gaiden collection was coming to the switch at some point.

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Yeah bro, same here. I wonder if they will keep the co-op modes from the ps3 version of Sigma 2?

Ohhhh yeah, forgot that was even a thing. 🤔

Hopefully. I probably wouldn't use it much, but would be nice to mess around with. Might also help with bringing in some of their Nioh userbase.

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So... If I have no interest in NG2 and 3, they will force them upon me if I want to play 1?

Guess I'll just pass on this then.

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@silentchief said:
@pc_rocks said:

Hopefully it leads to actual new NG game.

This is what I'm most excited about. They usually do these remaster before a new title.

Without Tomonobu Itagaki and some of his team there, you're looking at a Ninja Gaiden game as bad as Ninja Gaiden 3.

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So... If I have no interest in NG2 and 3, they will force them upon me if I want to play 1?

Guess I'll just pass on this then.

Three is the only bad one though.

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@Litchie: Buy the original Xbox version then.

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#45  Edited By Silentchief
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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@silentchief said:
@pc_rocks said:

Hopefully it leads to actual new NG game.

This is what I'm most excited about. They usually do these remaster before a new title.

Without Tomonobu Itagaki and some of his team there, you're looking at a Ninja Gaiden game as bad as Ninja Gaiden 3.

They did Nioh without him. From a technical standpoint they have fallen off but they realize nobody wants tons of QTE's in an action game so maybe they will nail the gameplay.

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Was going to pick this up but apparently the shit ones from what I'm hearing?

Oh wells. Seem abit too hard anyways.

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@uninspiredcup:

Sigma and Sigma 2 are still great action games. They add some fluff content and tweaks that aren't exactly appreciated, but still just remixes on a great foundation. Like if NGB and NG2 didn't exist, and it was just the Sigmas, they'd be the ones renowned as some all time greats for the genre.

Plenty of difficulty settings too, don't have to go full masacore.

And since these aren't Itagaki games, won't make you wear a pink ribbon for choosing lowest difficulty.

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@silentchief said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

Without Tomonobu Itagaki and some of his team there, you're looking at a Ninja Gaiden game as bad as Ninja Gaiden 3.

They did Nioh without him. From a technical standpoint they have fallen off but they realize nobody wants tons of QTE's in an action game so maybe they will nail the gameplay.

I have some hope, could go either way.

But it seems Hayashi, dude who directed the Sigmas and eventually NG3, is in more of a producer role now.

If they kick this one over to the main director behind Nioh, could be good stuff. Hope he just understands that while Nioh combat is great for what it is, it's not Ninja Gaiden.

If they expand on the combat style of NG2, while delivering a game as balanced and polished as NGB, could be amazing.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Was going to pick this up but apparently the shit ones from what I'm hearing?

Oh wells. Seem abit too hard anyways.

Nah, if you haven't tried them, its still a buy. its a good collection. My biggest gripe is they took out the gore and blood in 2. The NG games are still some of the best hack n slash games to ever release. (3 has some issues but 1&2 are excellent) Seriously i put NG1&NG2 above the DMC and God of War series by a mile.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@Litchie said:

So... If I have no interest in NG2 and 3, they will force them upon me if I want to play 1?

Guess I'll just pass on this then.

Three is the only bad one though.

Yup. If anything, NG2 has the best combat system of the bunch. Expands the combos of the original weapon sets while adding new dope ass weapons like Tonfas, Kusarigama, Scythe, (fully developed) Dual Katanas, etc. Then of course the dismemberment stuff.

Only reason I don't prefer it to NG1 is that the enemy, boss, and encounter designs in general aren't as good.