New Xbox One Update Boosts Console GPU Power

@SolidTy: you make some great points and I can definitely see where your coming from. I initially had the PS4 and XB1 pre-ordered and ended up having to cancel them due to life. But I was able to pick up a PS4 from Best Buy the first day they were doing tickets (before Christmas). I've actually really enjoyed the PS4 a lot, haven't really touched my X360 since I got it. I'm happy I held off on getting the XB1 so far.

I've also been looking to get a Wii U. I keep hearing conflicted things about it though, hoping to get your input. Most of my friends have have moved to different states within the US, so when it comes to playing with friends it's usually online. Is the Wii U a good online console? I hear if I was still in college and lived in a dorm hands down it's be the better console but in terms of online it's not.

By Christmas 2015, The One will be pooping all over The Bore.... G'head,book mark it... Please. :P

@Shewgenja said:

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

And which game shows 40 - 50% more power? This statement is not holding up to the evidence. The only thing that we're seeing is that third party devs have a harder time maintaining the same resolution as the PS4. That could be due to a number of things that Devs have already stated.

@ttboy said:

@Shewgenja said:

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

And which game shows 40 - 50% more power? This statement is not holding up to the evidence. The only thing that we're seeing is that third party devs have a harder time maintaining the same resolution as the PS4. That could be due to a number of things that Devs have already stated.

Ahh, yes, so true. We always see what a system can do in its first year. Especially when it's using exotic technologies like clamshelled GDDR5 as system memory and hUMA as well as GPUCompute assisted draw. How silly of me. I take back EVERYTHING.

No way Jose! Couple the worlds most powerful video game console with SONY's proven track record of world class, GOTY, top 5 GOAT exclusives and sprinkle in righteous amounts of 3rd party games and you have a potent mix of gaming goodness.

@Shewgenja said:

@ttboy said:

@Shewgenja said:

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

And which game shows 40 - 50% more power? This statement is not holding up to the evidence. The only thing that we're seeing is that third party devs have a harder time maintaining the same resolution as the PS4. That could be due to a number of things that Devs have already stated.

Ahh, yes, so true. We always see what a system can do in its first year. Especially when it's using exotic technologies like clamshelled GDDR5 as system memory and hUMA as well as GPUCompute assisted draw. How silly of me. I take back EVERYTHING.

There is nothing exotic about GDDR5 nor the PS4 design. If its that fast out of the gate then the same unoptimized code should run 50% faster than xbox one (all things being equal). This is not the case.

Sorry if you couldn't tell my mind goes a mile a second!

Anyways. I guess my only general complaint with the one is some slow loading times.

Was never a dead rising fan but the games ok.
Just waitin for the real winners to come out :D

They are already worried before this.....cows are the most insecure fanboys around.

They are, hence Forza Horizon 2 being 1980p and cloud enabled for all weather effects. The updates will get better performance out of the system, hence how great Sunset Overdrive looks. No one is saying that at any time the One will leap past the PS4 in visuals, but I do expect the 1080p thing will be a thing of the past come next year. Especially when DX12 hits. Improvement is a great thing and this will help.

How does this fix the memory bandwidth bottleneck? The more GPU processing the higher speed of your ram needs to be, just like the CPU that they overclocked. Maybe they are going to overclock the ram some more as well?

You realize the resolution can drop surely before hand right? Though i'm sure it won't there's a possibility

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2394596/watch_dogs_is_1080p_60fps_on_ps4_says_ubisoft.html I mean Ubi even came out and said it two weeks before watch dogs release.

Also do you have a link or source for the cloud enabled weather effects?

Secret sauce inbound. misterxmedia redeemed. Thank you based Phil Spencer.

Seriously though, does it at least bring this piece of shit up to paper specs?

1980p? Dem clouds really making the difference!!!

Seriously though, it's on the F5 engine so I figured it would be 1080p but it's open world though so it'll probably look worse. I'm going to assume that with "clowd powwa" and seamless single/multiplayer gameplay it'll be an always-online game?

No matter what side of the fence we sit on, the one thing we all agree on is no matter if the improvement performance wise of the One comes from better dev kits, this new update, Cloud or whatever this years E3 is the place it must e showcased in real-time.

calling me a "hardcore fanboy slanted user" Thats just classic. keep fighting the good fight there SDF

You do realize both consoles will get more optimized as devs get better at knowing the insides, right?

Cows adn can try to clame ownage over lems all they want, but i can't think of a single game that runs at 1080p on the PS4, and runs at less than 900p on the xbone. And as the PS4 lowers, so the the x1 on an equal level.

What i've seen so far is 180p more, somewhat better textures, lighting, and abit more stabler frame rates. Unfortunatly, i wouldn't call that 50% more power.

Expically when you consider that the PS4 as the almost always sacrifice either fps, quality and/or resolution. It always loses to mid performance pc's alone in 2 areas and matches it in 1.

But being showcased as "real time" in an ideal environment doesn't help it's case.

Because that environment is a very very very controlled environment and is set up for the most optimal outcome.

So voice command will not work of certain game now?

I just love it when people go into a diatrybe about Cows. I am not indicative of a Cow and Cows are not indicative of me. The power between these two has been shown time and time again to be precisely where I put it. Call of Duty Ghosts being a perfect example.

Did you know that the difference between 720p and 1080p is 921,600 versus 2,073,600 pixels? You may get a case of the hurty poops when people mention resolutions. You may even tell yourself there isn't much difference between 800p and 1080p. You would be mathematically wrong, though. Time and time again, the PS4 puts the XBone in its place. You honestly want to compare a glorified budget gaming laptop with shared system memory to what the PS4 does? You'll lose every time.

@donalbane said:

@Shewgenja said:

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

I have all the platforms, and the only thing I am currently having to deal with is the seemingly interminable wait for quality PS4 exclusives.

I feel the same as you. You know alot of these "experts" that pop up lately really make me laugh. Even cows dropped the 50% power thing except this guy apparently.

Take a 5400RPM hard drive like that in the PS4 upgrade to a 7200RPM. Now Cow logic would state that since 7200 is about 35% more then 5400 that it would make the PS4 35% more powerful. But that's not how computers and consoles work. and what you really get is maybe 5% increase in performance of load times only at best.

@darkangel115 said:

@donalbane said:

@Shewgenja said:

@donalbane said:

I see a lot of PS4 enthusiasts talking trash about this like the PS4 is some kind of super computer by comparison. It's absurd. And another thing, if the PS4 had this announcement, you'd crap your skinny jeans.

40-50% more powerful in sheer GPU throughput. MUCH moreso on overall system bandwidth.

I have all the platforms, and the only thing I am currently having to deal with is the seemingly interminable wait for quality PS4 exclusives.

I feel the same as you. You know alot of these "experts" that pop up lately really make me laugh. Even cows dropped the 50% power thing except this guy apparently.

Take a 5400RPM hard drive like that in the PS4 upgrade to a 7200RPM. Now Cow logic would state that since 7200 is about 35% more then 5400 that it would make the PS4 35% more powerful. But that's not how computers and consoles work. and what you really get is maybe 5% increase in performance of load times only at best.

I think it's more along the lines of Infamous using Ryse as its personal ball washer. Graphically and critically. Is there another XBone graphics powerhouse I should compare it to? Enlighten me.

Thats nice and what about the games that have the same resolution. 50% more power is not something that is trivial. I expect to see a lot more happening on screen that the Xbox One cannot hope to do. This is not the case.

I graphics card being ~40% faster != ~40% faster... OK then.

Sure in real world performance it might not be as much as that, there are other factors to consider such as CPU speed and whether or not the game is optimised to use all cores, and if it is using GPU processing at all.

Does not change the fact that the more they push the Xbox One, the more they will push the PS4. I have a feeling at the moment the game developers are not pushing the PS4 as hard it can they are settling on getting the game to run at stable frame rates on the PS4 and just about getting it to run on Xbox One with a few tweaks.

You can't really judge optimisation on multi-plats in the first year.

Are you people seriously that retarded to think you'd have to unplug it? Jesus Christ lol. They simply would have it not being used, its simple really

Has to be, as they have harped on the cloud handeling the weather effects, ect. Yeah, I get the feeling that the big first party exclusives will all be always-online from now on. That's a guess, but its what I think.

Uhm ok.............how about we stop delaying the games I am most anticipating? I really don't care about this power nonsense. I have a powerful PC. I just want games.

Do you have any source on the cloud handleing the weather effects?

lol shhhhhhh, let him dream.

My Modified Ford F-150 V8 has 475 foot lbs. at the rear wheels. Of raw power.

I still can't beat a 4 cylinder sports car in a race. Does that mean I have less horse power? No.

Due to setup choices in the vehicles. Weight, Power train, gearing, gas distribution. I lose every time.

Optimization is a huge factor in any device. Raw power does not = Win.

It's how you use that power.

they can increase performance by cutting down all X1 features. Make it like original xbox just for running game and it will increase performance. All other features TV, Twitch, recording, chat take lots of ram

It was either mentioned in the IGN article, or someone tweeted it that's close to the project. Don't remember exactly.

Well I already looked at the official forza and turn 10 twitters and nothing.

IGN article mentions nothing of the cloud at all....

http://me.ign.com/en/preview/25579/a-sunday-drive-with-forza-horizon-2

There is this funny photo though.

Its up to MS at E3 to show what the cloud or DX12 or anything else can do in a real-time game situation. But make no mistake about it. MS always intended for the One to be always online, and as their ability to implement the Cloud grows I expect a great deal of Xbox One games to be always online. I play the hell out of Titanfall and that's just how it will be IMHO.

sober up.

Already doing 1080p. By Apr-May next year, everything announced will be 1080P 30/60. Greatness begins at the E3. Phil Spencer is going to show gamers what a genius maestro can do at the E3 conference.

@Animal-Mother said:

@shawn30 said:

@Animal-Mother said:

@shawn30 said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@shawn30 said:

@b4x said:

Keep talking stupid Microsoft. SMH

Patch it in a game to PROVE it....or STFU about it.

Words are just that. Words.

Implement this power into Forza or something. This act is old.

They are, hence Forza Horizon 2 being 1980p and cloud enabled for all weather effects. The updates will get better performance out of the system, hence how great Sunset Overdrive looks. No one is saying that at any time the One will leap past the PS4 in visuals, but I do expect the 1080p thing will be a thing of the past come next year. Especially when DX12 hits. Improvement is a great thing and this will help.

1980p? Dem clouds really making the difference!!!

Seriously though, it's on the F5 engine so I figured it would be 1080p but it's open world though so it'll probably look worse. I'm going to assume that with "clowd powwa" and seamless single/multiplayer gameplay it'll be an always-online game?

Has to be, as they have harped on the cloud handeling the weather effects, ect. Yeah, I get the feeling that the big first party exclusives will all be always-online from now on. That's a guess, but its what I think.

Do you have any source on the cloud handleing the weather effects?

It was either mentioned in the IGN article, or someone tweeted it that's close to the project. Don't remember exactly.

Well I already looked at the official forza and turn 10 twitters and nothing.

IGN article mentions nothing of the cloud at all....

http://me.ign.com/en/preview/25579/a-sunday-drive-with-forza-horizon-2

There is this funny photo though.

LMAO!!!!!

But seriously, the only issue I see with DC is the car count. 50 just isn't enough these days, and for a game with such detail and atmosphere, they should have more. Especially since FH 2 will have hundreds, or at least 200+.

So no reason? They know PS4 has the stronger system. It's a fact. Nothing can change that. They're not worried or at least shouldn't be.

Just for those who thought it had nothing to do with kinect (coughb4xcough)

See the picture above.

This is true in engineering. This is how a weak Lotus Exige is able to outrun most cars on the road.

218 hp (163 kW; 221 PS) @ 7800 rpm

Performance

0-60 (0-100 km/h): 4.1 seconds

Brute force does not mean better in all cases.

You can't boost power with software updates. Simple as that. You can utilize it in different and more efficient ways but you can't make hardware more powerful with software updates.

That's not what it's alluding too. It's got nothing to do with unplugging or plugging in kinect. That's what dumb people think will happen and that's what Major is clearing up. What kinect does though is take up resources, so now they'll be a way to turn it off and code around it. So it was very much to do with kinect. See the picture above.

No dude. They are related. He's saying that you have to actually develop with the extra involved by not needing kinect. It's not magically going to get better with devs using it.

You would be right if you were comparing a sports car to a pickup truck, but you are not. You are comparing two sports cars of about the same size and weight just one has a better engine than the other.

You sound very reasonable.